Sideways at 45 MPH in a Y34 and 95 down the back straight

[M45Caliber]

And Ken in AZ pulled it off in his Fuga too.... Infiniti of Scottsdale sponsored their 5th annual track day\Driver School at FireBird Raceway (home to Bondurant School of High Performance Driving). FREE if you have an invite from them.

There were close to 100 M35's, M45's, FX35, 45 and 50's, G35's, 37's and one lone EX35. I had the ONLY Y34 running there today.

We had four 20 minute sessions with professional instructors (optional after the first 2) and really got to wring out our M45's.

As mentioned, I am in a Y34 and Kens in the newer 2006 Fuga. I was able to hang with the G37's and walk all over G35's and M35's. Ken was fast in his modded M, until his car started heating up in the 3rd session. I had NO issues with heat, so I'm guessing it's the agressive tune he's running.

What I can tell you is that these M's are incrediblly tossable with the VSC turned off. Missed a few apexes over the course of the day and had the car sideways (or close) several times and was always able to catch it and bring it back in line.

Also --- the Frozen Rotors and Hawk pads are awesome -- they never faded and are as good as new after almost an hour and a half of track time in 85 to 90 degree heat. I am SOLD on these brakes.

I would think that the 2 degree bump helped me stay with the G's - I could actually pull away from a G37 Coupe down the back straight, but he'd catch up going through the twisties -- there's only so much flinging you can do with a 4,000 pound sedan!

There's a local gas station that sells 100 octane unleaded racing fuel and I mixed 2 gallons of that ($7/gallon!) with the Shell V-Power 91 to give me a little more overall octane bump due to the timing advance I am running (precautionary - not necessary). Sure felt good though.

If you get the chance -- I'd recommend a track day if you can locate one. the group that puts these on for Scottsdale Infiniti does various schools across the western states. They charge about $150 for a day of sessions at a closed race course. Just about the most fun you can have in a car with your clothes on....

[GJEMD]

Ken overheating.....hmm no surprise by 2 degrees. so much for the notion that Infiniti left much on the table with the VK

[M45Caliber]

GJEMD --- Open Mouth - Insert Foot. Put on your reading glasses and re-read. I have the 2 degree advance, not Ken. I ran all sessions with absolutely NO ISSUES. Car ran like a scared rabbit and the 2 degree advance IS noticable. Infiniti DID leave a little on the table for us.

KEN has the full UpRev tune, (Stock, Hi-po, Race and Valet - switchable in the car) Ken also has exhaust mods and intake mods. His is MUCH MORE than a 2 degree advance and what it pointed out is that in the most abusive driving conditions (e.g. 10/10th's track use in 90 degree heat) the car now needs some additional cooling. Horsepower = heat. He is generating MORE HP due to his mods, but running the stock radiator. All was good in the cooler morning air.

So now you can see that Infiniti left even more on the table if you are willing to work through the process. Knowing Ken, he's already looking into a 3 row competition radiator or similar.

[EniGmA1987]

Thats pretty sweet guys. I would love to go to a track day like that. Any hints on how to get an invite from Infiniti?

[nadzak]

And do you have any photos?

[tigerclaws1318]

It's cool how you guys have a track nearby. Here in NYC we don't have any sort of track or any type of road for high performance driving. The nearest one is in Englishtown, New Jersey which is too far lol.

[UpStar]

GJEMD --- Open Mouth - Insert Foot. Put on your reading glasses and re-read. I have the 2 degree advance, not Ken. I ran all sessions with absolutely NO ISSUES.

ohhhhhhhh snap! yeah... the 2 degree was a Y34 thang.

[ken in az]

Come on now - I drive an M45 not a FUGA!!!

[nadzak]

A little surprised to hear that you were faster than the G37's on the straight! Those things are really fast and all test results show that. How can it be?

[ken in az]

To respond to the overheating - techically it just got warm and didn't overheat and I pulled in to the pit area once just to be safe and the temps came right down.

Another reason - and I'm not boasting just stating what happened - was that I started in the beginner session where the cars were going much slower than what I could manage around the track causing me to constantly catch up to the slower traffic. I would settle down and let everyone pass me on the straight so that I could practice the turns at full speed and catch the group again. My ride along instructor noticed my driving abilities and decided to bump me up to the experienced group to where you can go out on the track without an instructor. In the beginner sessions I did not have any over temp issues.

This class was much faster and I was at full tilt haulin a$$ and did not have to slow for anyone - I passes a modded G35 coupe - G37 Sedan - G37 coupe and got tought a lesson by the professional driver in his M45 on the first lap where I was still feeling out the limits of the car - lol

Also the gearing wasn't that great for the track we were on. I found myself constantly in 2nd gear hanging the revs up to 6500-7000 turn to turn rarely needing to use the brakes except for a tap here and a tap there. Engine braking was what I used mostly. There was a turn that was a long sweeper that you could take at speed - I was torn between 2nd gear and 3rd gear because 2nd would run out of RPM and 3rd didn't have enough - so I would hang it in 2nd through the turn to not upset the chassis - it was an undulating 60mph sweeper with a decreasing radius turn to finish it off and if you shifted in the middle of the turn you had a great chance of inducing a spin due to the unloading and loading of the suspension cause by the shift.

The end of the main straight away I didn't have the cahones to really test out the G37 Akebono BBK but man I can tell you they sucked me down to speed quick. I could recon that I used near 90% of the braking capabilities that I had available - not once inducing lockup. I still need to check the pads to see how much life I killed - but I had no issues driving home and none this am into work - they actually feel more responsive now than what they did before.

So to sum it up - I don't think the tune had anything to do with the over temps - I think it would have got warm even if I was on the stock tune -

BTW - I swapped out my rear wheels in favor of the stocker with your favorites - Goodyear RS-A's - lol They actually did pretty well for being a crap tire. They were spinning all over the place!

[MR. BAKERZ]

ken Do WOrk! brotha

rocking out with the c*** out on Rs-A's You wild bro.

[ken in az]

A little surprised to hear that you were faster than the G37's on the straight! Those things are really fast and all test results show that. How can it be?

nadzak - Yes they are lighter - quicker - faster, but it all changes the minute you step out onto the track and insert the human element.

If you are pressing someone in the turns - either they will let you by in the straights or the instructor will tell them to let them by. Not saying this was the case, but seems to be the likely scenario given the power to weight differnce. Another thing to keep in mind is that some cars had passengers front and rear - some cars had 4 people in them that I noticed and that could definitely show low end advantage of the V8

The drivers at this event were hardly professional drivers. I don't consider myself to be all that good and I was making some drivers look like children - lol
Modified by ken in az at 10:56 AM 10/26/2009

[New2Import]

NO video! Come guys you shouldve had someone filming.

[MR. BAKERZ]

nadzak - Yes they are lighter - quicker - faster, but it all changes the minute you step out onto the track and insert the human element.

If you are pressing someone in the turns - either they will let you by in the straights or the instructor will tell them to let them by. Not saying this was the case, but seems to be the likely scenario given the power to weight differnce. Another thing to keep in mind is that some cars had passengers front and rear - some cars had 4 people in them that I noticed and that could definitely show low end advantage of the V8

The drivers at this event were hardly professional drivers. I don't consider myself to be all that good and I was making some drivers look like children - lol

Modified by ken in az at 10:56 AM 10/26/2009

with this above comment your a bully.

[ken in az]

with this above comment your a bully.

I hope you're kidding - the track was full of beginners and experienced drivers, seriously.

[M45Caliber]

Sor

A little surprised to hear that you were faster than the G37's on the straight! Those things are really fast and all test results show that. How can it be?

Sorry Ken -- didn't mean to FUGA you! Just pointing out that we were driving two different beasts.

Hey -- I sent you all of the pics I shot of you, and you have the pics you took of me sliding all over the track... Maybe Ken will post a pic of him 'at speed" and one of me as well -- KEN?

Also - as for the G37S Coupe... he was all over my a** through the twisties and even caught up to me after I pulled him going thru the sweeper that sets you up just before the main straight. The you pull a 90 degree left to enter the straight. Instead of trail braking, I would brake before entering the turn, and late apex that turn, rolling on the throttle as soon as I began the turn with full throttle engaged upon exiting the turn, drifting wide to the right edge of the straight (VSC off). I think the G37 was trail braking into the turn and couldn't get on the throttle until most of the way through the turn, so by 100 yards down the straight I was 4 car lengths and by the end of the straight probably 10 car lengths out... (basically the equivlent of winning the hole shot in drag racing) but he would reel me in through the twisties. After playing the game for a few laps, I slowed momentarily and waved him past on the back straight. He eventually had a pretty good lead as this track only has one decent straight (less than a 1/4 mile) and then 3/4 mile of curves. Fun none the less.

[MR. BAKERZ]

relax i was fooling around ken Block.

[GJEMD]

He is generating MORE HP due to his mods, but running the stock radiator. All was good in the cooler morning air.

I've followed this story and I don't remember seeing any dyno numbers on all this BIG HP with UPREV that would cause over heating. And now a 3 flue radiator.... its always something

[ken in az]

He is generating MORE HP due to his mods, but running the stock radiator. All was good in the cooler morning air.

I've followed this story and I don't remember seeing any dyno numbers on all this BIG HP with UPREV that would cause over heating. And now a 3 flue radiator.... its always something

So now you are giving me credit for having more hp?? lol changing your story left and right just to support your negative comments. What have you done with your M lately?

Oh yeah - forgot you have other things that are more important like family and work - doesn't seem so since you constantly come onto a web forum to cut other people down to boost your own self esteem. Sounds like you need to have a sit down with ANTZ and figure some stuff out and just have fun on this site - that's what it's here for.

FYI - the temperature differential was not much. The first session it was 72F - second session was 78F and the third session was 85F ambient and probably add a few to get to actual track temp.

HP dyno charts are out there - sorry you didn't see them. I don't post on here to satisfy your quest to dispute everything I do but do a search and find it - it's not difficult.

And who would like to do the math - I'm making approx 20-25hp over stock so what does that equate to in extra heat - if you know anything - it's about nil as compared to what a stock radiator should be capable of. Obviously the penny pinchers at infiniti really had the limits of the stock radiator balanced just right.

FYI - I used to run 550hp turbocharged V6 on an aluminum dual row VW scirocco radiator just fine. Looking at our setup with the auto trans cooler in the radiator pumping the ATF fluid heat into the cooling system and I'm sure the trans was getting warm as well I probably just heat soaked it. I mean I was running the piss out of the car.

[M45Caliber]

Quote "I don't remember seeing any dyno numbers on all this BIG HP with UPREV ..." So, you need glasses AND a memory enhancer... LOL.

Dude, get with the program or Shut The F up. It's obvious you . . . oh never mind. Not worth the effort. Ken summed it up nicely.

Peace - Out

[GJEMD]

Dude, get with the program or Shut The F up.

Now that sounds like someone that's sure of themselves.

Ken I've not given you any credit, I have question the reality of your so called 'mods". I believe its your cadre of backslappers that have suggested you are making more HP. now exactly what is it 20 or 25 HP. I would suggest all of you"put up or shut up" Varoom varoom

[ken in az]

Dude, get with the program or Shut The F up.

Now that sounds like someone that's sure of themselves.

Ken I've not given you any credit, I have question the reality of your so called 'mods". I believe its your cadre of backslappers that have suggested you are making more HP. now exactly what is it 20 or 25 HP. I would suggest all of you"put up or shut up" Varoom varoom

Already have "put up" you maroon Do we have an ignore button so I don't have to read this worthless drivel?

[saeedakobiakov]

how can i get 3 degree bump here in mass?please let me know.thanks.

[ken in az]

how can i get 3 degree bump here in mass?please let me know.thanks.

2 degree bump is max. Find someone with UpRev tuning software or has the Cipher cable - or ask your dealer to do it for you but be prepared for them to say no or pay for it. Some have gone to the dealer and they paid for it - they said they did it, but when it was checked - they really didn't do it.

Good Luck!

[MR. BAKERZ]

slap a turbo on your M motors and your live.

[Tony Two-Tone]

Sorry for the thread dig, but does anyone know if UpRev is able to tune the Y34 platform? I've heard that it uses an older ECU but I want to confirm.