Should Infinti produce a G45?

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

This is how I imagine it:

G45:

Six speed manual w/ 4.5L 340 hp (or more) V8.otehr wise simliar to G35.Probably cost an extra 8-10 k on the base MSRP of G35, so about $38-40k.

You guys think it would sell?

Take my poll!

Fred..:ylsuperWhat do you think of a G45 w/ 4.5L V8?

Post by **maxnix** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

IS430 and G45 would both be horribly front heavy cars that would have little of the handling properties of the present six cylinder configurations. Not a good idea for anything beyond cruising the drive-in.

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

The VH45 is a bit lighter than the VH series.

Also since the V6's (which are not small engines either), give nearly 50/50, even with an extra 1oo lbs out front, it'll still be fine.

Fred...

Post by **maxnix** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

THE Vk45DE may indeed be lighter than the VH45DE, but the engine would have to be mounted further to the rear (which is probably not possible) to approach even the 53%-47% weight distribution of the six.

Why the M45 or Q45 is a better idea for overall ride and handling.

__________________Brian1995 Q45 & Q45t

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Post by **PalmerWMD** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

Anyway...

Anyone else wanna comment?

Fred...

Post by **AZhitman** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

Bah, 100 lbs? Move the battery to the trunk and you're halfway there.

Actually, I'd prefer a factory supercharged G35 to a G45. No sense in adding unnecessary weight for the sake of a few horsies.

BTW, I've been driving a G35 for the past week while Quella gets a new steering rack. I LOVE THE G35!!! What a rambunctious-arse car it is!!!

Post by **AZhitman** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

BTW, Brian - The IS330 isn't far from horrible as it stands. The G35 brutalizes it in day-to-day experiences, and the Lexus' FWD platform makes it a true poser car.

Post by **maxnix** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

An interesting question is whether the next GTR will be an INfiniti when it comes to the US, and whether it will be a VK45DE or forced induction VQ35. I am with AZhitman that the lesser weight of a supercharger or turbocharger make more sense, but the open deck construction may preclude much boost. Thus a tuned VK50DE may be in the cards for the US market.

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Post by **maxnix** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

IS300 is RWD, the ES300 is a FWD. The V8 in the IS may allow the weight to be further back since it is an I6.__________________Brian1995 Q45 & Q45t

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Post by **PalmerWMD** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

Word is the new GTR will be VQ35DETT, not sure if Infiniti or Nissan.

Anyway about the poll....

Fred..

Post by **Jeff Williams** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

No, spend the money on a 2 door M56 Twin Turbo 7 speed automatic with paddle shift.

Post by **maxnix** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

palmerwmd wrote:Word is the new GTR will be VQ35DETT, not sure if Infiniti or Nissan.

Anyway about the poll....Fred..

I voted. I think the only way we will get a VKxxDE or a VQ35DETT in a FM platform will be a GTR, and probably with a new front subframe if it is a VKxxDE.

Never heard the rumor of the IS430. It would devastate the GS430 sales, and make the IS one fast, but terminally understeering, pillbox.__________________Brian1995 Q45 & Q45t

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Post by **greg_atlanta** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

99% of owners of G35's don't take full advantage of the engine they have, and appealing to the other 1% is not a smart business decision.

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

OK ,

After all this enthusiasm, let me state my humble opinion:

I would LOVE it!A G45 it shouild be s screamer, imagine a G with 340 Hp backe dup by a manual transmission in a small package.

If Infiniti wants a performance image, it can't hang back while Lexus releases the V8 IS, or all the other new edgy cars coming out from various manufacturers.

A manual transmission with a VK series engine seems like an easy and not too expensive solution.

And it would just scream!And I would have something to really aspire to (outside of a M45)

Fred..

Post by **szh** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

Back when the 1997 Q came out, with the 4.1L, I thought that Infiniti had lost its mind! The car I thought then that they needed to make (and still do!) should be the:

Infiniti Z60

With a 6.0L V-12, 375+ HP, tons of torque, five-speed auto, luxury galore, to compete head-on with the big Benzes and beat them hollow! (Given the new 3.5L engine, they ought to strap two together and make it a 7.0L V-12!)

I once wrote up a long letter to the Infiniti USA President to expound on the virtues of the above car, but never mailed it.

Z

Post by **rydwhite** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

Fred,I think it would be a great idea. I would love to have few more horses to my G. A turbocharged G would work well also though. I would probably fork the extra dough for the V8, but that is alot of money for a few more horses.

Ryan

Post by **zinkie13** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

I would be all for it. Except instead of having 340 horses, I'd like to see it at closer to 400, because if someone wanted to, they could put a little extra money into a g35 and get a similar amount of power. That much of an increase in power through forced induction would decrease the life of the engine. Putting a larger engine in a g35 style car would give you power and longevity without the trouble of dealing with turbos.

Post by **maxnix** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

szhosain wrote:Infiniti Z60

With a 6.0L V-12, 375+ HP, tons of torque, five-speed auto, luxury galore, to compete head-on with the big Benzes and beat them hollow! (Given the new 3.5L engine, they ought to strap two together and make it a 7.0L V-12!):( - Z

This is essentially what Ford did with the Duratec V6 to make the Aston Martin 6L V12. That car is ~$225. Would a $200K+ G or Z sell? Probably not. __________________Brian1995 Q45 & Q45t

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Post by **szh** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

maxnix wrote:This is essentially what Ford did with the Duratec V6 to make the Aston Martin 6L V12. That car is ~$225. Would a $200K+ G or Z sell? Probably not.

Not at that price, of course! I was thinking more along the lines of $75-85k or so. I would have considered getting one in 1996 if a "Z60" from Infiniti (sorta like what I was talking about) had been on the market! Can't afford that right now, of course, but if my company does an IPO in the next few years, then an M45 or Q45 is gonna have my name on it!

Aston Martin is grossly overpriced ... imho. Limited production makes it tough to get costs down, I suppose. Plus, I think they overprice a bit to make it more of a cachet!

Z

Post by **DAEDALUS** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

I'd be more interested in an AWD G35, with which I would ask for a supercharger.

Post by **szh** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

DAEDALUS wrote:I'd be more interested in an AWD G35, with which I would ask for a supercharger.

Absolutely agreed! :ylsuper

EDIT: Particularly the all-wheel drive. Would remove Audi from consideration in my next car buying decision (have you seen the results of testing on the S4? Very interesting!)

Z

Post by **jmatas** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

FYI... you can get a G35 supercharger kit by ATI that is rumored to produce 370HP(wheels)/430HP(crank) ... There are a few Infiniti dealerships that will offer it as a factory installed option for around $6K. So there are your 400+ ponies for less than $40K. There's a whole mouth-watering thread about it on "the other" forum.I'm with Jeff Williams- I WANT PADDLE SHIFTING!!!

Post by **G8R45** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

Here's a few other suggestions that could get my blood boiling:G35 convertible: the chassis should handle this very easilyM45 based coupe & convertible to compete with the E class & 5 seriesQ45 based coupe & convertible to compete with the CLWhen I go to replace the Q in a few years my kids will be moving out and I will want to go back to a 2 door. The G is to small for me to drive day to day.

Post by **Rex** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

So, we all know a 350TT has to be in the works, right?

Why not just apply that to the G35 sedan? Gotta think some guy in an M5 would be wondering what the h-e-(double hocket sticks) that was?????

And it should preserve weight, handling and mileage.

Post by **dougs98Q45** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

Yep- while I like Fred's idea (and would love to see it!), I think an AWD TT w/ paddle action would be the way to go when all factors are considered (price, wieght, handling, etc). After seeing how fun the 'tiptronic' or whatever it's called was in my G35 loaner, I would drool over the above car. Tho- the growl from the 4.5 coming from a coupe would be something.....

Post by **Q45Viper** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

YES, YES, YES! I would buy it!

Post by **GMachine** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

I've had some experience with turbo'd cars, and I think that Infiniti would do well to put a twin turbo setup with a honking intercooler in the lower grill on the existing G35 coupe. That way they'd preserve the handling ( less weight up frt) and pricing on the car ( only cost approx $5K factory cost, - maybe $10k retail bump) and have an additional 70 - 100hp easily without alot of redesigning work to fit a V8.Plus, with the new turbos, alot of the old longevity issues are solved now, - think of it, - Chrysler is offering a full factory warranty on its GT Cruier turbo for 5 yrs or 100,000kms so that's not an issue either.Can you imagine? G35 SC with twin turbos, 385HP and some more agressive suspension and wheels!! All for an additional hit of $10k - $15K!

GlennGMachine

Post by **g35driver** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

Just think. A super or turbo charged G-35 would blast past a bmw m-3 for thousands of $ less. That's the route Infiniti (in my small opinion) should go. Sell the upgrade kit to current G owners and cover it under warranty.

Post by **Bayarea Q** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

I'm with Fred....I think that would be a bad *** ride. I would get one for sure! Can't belive they just don't offer different size engines in their cars like the German counter parts. If Mercedes can put their 430 V -8 in a two door coupe and handle good, why can't Infiniti. I think Infiniti was trying to create a high performance sedan in the M45 but found out they came up a little short. What I want is very simple a nice 6 speed option in the M45. Just like the BMW offers in the 5 series.....

Post by **juiceman** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:42 am

whoa nellie

some of us will just be getting into our first G in a few years

I tend to agree that the added weight and change in weight ratio would counter act the benefits.

I think I saw a yell for a bolt on supercharger or turbo

Let them make a slightly bigger car like the J and put the 8 in it as an option.

Great Idea though

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