Should I get the Garrett t3/t4oE turbo?

[I H8 UR DSM]

it wont bolt on to the stock mani...you need mani, and all custom lines. and to make it fit......

[nismoinvader]

Hey! That's what I was plannin on runnin too!:D If your goal is only (haha) 350 rwhp, then the setup should be no problem. I would get the manifold later on though to improve flow characteristics, but for now the stock manifold should suffice. However, you would have to take it to a machinist and get a T3 flange welded on there. Or you can save a few bucks and do it yourself.

Are you going with JWT?

[DonDonati88]

Yeah he is providing me with a T3 flange. I was hoping the shop I am getting the engine installed at could install the turbo as well. (if I ever get my engine...)

Going to run Nissdata, it's the same setup enjuku racing used to achieve 393rhp on their t3t/t4 turbo upgrade.

ps. so who's right jesse or you, can I use the stock mani for a while. How much are aftermarket manifolds?

And what is your hp goal...?

[nismoinvader]

I am always right! Hahah. J/K:pface . You COULD techinically use the stock manifold and have them weld on the T3 flange. However, a new manifold, depending on the manufactor shouldnt be too much. You could get a JYG's or KMD manifold for $350 or so. I've even seen SR manifolds go on ebay for like $250 or so. I believe the manufactuer was SS autochrome or something. No need to spend $800 -$1000 for a JDM one.I was aiming for the magical # of 350 hp to the wheels also. You must be my long lost SR twin!

[DonDonati88]

is $600 a good deal for this turbo?

[NSRacer]

I know I don't have a long history here (I do on the SR20DE forums but, not here) but, I'll still throw my two cents in... Personally, I think the .48 housing will hurt more than help. I laid down 333 whp (have dyno charts to back it if necessary) on a .63 A/R exhaust housing and I still think it was hurting me up top. The turbo I was running was a T3/T04E with: .63 A/R exhaust housing and a stage III wheel | .60 A/R compressor housing with a 60 trim wheel. On my S13 I'm going with the same turbo except with the bigger .82 A/R housing (I like this turbo; a bit laggy but, makes AWESOME power). You can get these turbos brand new for $550 shipped. I have a brand new one for sale also if you're interested... If anyone wants to purchase these turbos at an excellent price, e-mail me; I don't know if I can post links to stores here without breaking any rules so I won't do that (unless the mods tell me it's cool). It's not my store anyway....

[Yellow4g63]

Hey whats up hehe. Some of the Other DSM guyz run the 60 trim or 57 trim with a .63 stage 3. They make 400 and over don't know why the SR's have a hard time getting over 400 with a .63.

[Dori Dori]

Please, get me a link that has a dyno chart of someone making over 400whp with .63 a/r on a stage 3 t3/t4.

And Don, you need a new manifold. I seriously doubt you can make this work on a stock one...you would need to weld on pipework for an external wastegate, get a custom turbo extension to downpipe (o2 housing)...I don't even think it'll fit without going top-mount. Just look at the size of it.Count on getting a manifold.

[VQdriver]

looks like there are a handful of people trying to get a T3/04 setup. while this might be the direction i want to go, the specs on what turbo will work well in the SR20 are vague to me. my tuner/builder will probably know what's best, but i would like to know of people's experiences on this forum. does anyone know what type of turbo would be best for the 400whp task? what internals are a must to replace for this setup to have some sort of longevity? did you need a Z32 maf? by the way, did the motor that enjuku built last more than a day at that hp level? lol

[Dori Dori]

Why wouldn't it last? Call them and talk to them.

[NSRacer]

What up Andy (Yellow4g63)!!

VQdriver, the turbo I mentioned above will get you 400 whp with the right supporting mods (on stock internals).

[hannibal]

What's the difference between T04B and T04E compressors? What do these letters represent? Are they all apart of the T4 family?

[James]

I need to find these compressor maps, I really woul dlike to know what would be the turbo setup down and dirty for the SR20DET.....I'm considering a Garrett BB T3/T04E but I'm not sure what kind of sizing I need to achieve a whp goal of 450?Perhaps a new topic on Turbine sizing is in order.-James

[NSRacer]

For 450 whp I'd use (again) the same specs I mentioned above except, I'd use a 76 trim 72 mm T350 turbine (Stage V). That'll be more than plenty for 450 whp but, it'll be laggy (full boost between 4K and 4.5K without a BB center section)....

[DonDonati88]

I only want about 350whp. But I now realize I cannot just bolt up the turbo itself...I'll need custom lines, a new manifold, and an external wastegate....which adds up to at least $1500. The seller of this turbo said I could use everything 'stock', guess he was wrong.

[NSRacer]

Actually no, you could do it for less than $1225. If you know how to weld (and have access to a welder) it'll cost even less!

[DonDonati88]

if I could do it for that cheap then why is Enjuku selling the kit for 2800?!

[NSRacer]

Don't ask me, ask them Everyone needs to make money, right?

[Yellow4g63]

Please, get me a link that has a dyno chart of someone making over 400whp with .63 a/r on a stage 3 t3/t4.

And Don, you need a new manifold. I seriously doubt you can make this work on a stock one...you would need to weld on pipework for an external wastegate, get a custom turbo extension to downpipe (o2 housing)...I don't even think it'll fit without going top-mount. Just look at the size of it.Count on getting a manifold.

Sorry I can't find the right one but this will have to do it's a 60-1 with a .63 housing. http://www.slowboyracing.com/C....html I'll see if I can find the non 60-1 for you and post it later.

[Dori Dori]

Uhhhh...a 60-1 is just a taaad larger.:rolleyes



Dude, a 60-1 can easily outflow a t3/t4 (capable up to 450 hp)...and a full t4 (capable to 550). Taken from the turbonetics website:

Quote »Representing the careful marriage of a unique high flow/high efficiency compressor section teamed up with a T4 turbine section the 60-1 has proven itself in every competitive motorsport application from drag racing to bonneville. Available with either the standard (4” inlet, 2.5” discharge) compressor housing or the 60-1 HI-FI ( 2 3/4” inlet, 2” discharge) compressor housing, the 60-1 will outflow any standard T04B with ease! (The 60-1 HI-FI will deliver approximately 90-95% of the flow capacity of the standard 60-1.)[/quote]Sorry dude, but no t3/t4 will push over 400 w/ a .63 a/r...well, not any 4cly anyway...

[Yellow4g63]

Like I said I can't find the dyno graph. That looks like a T4 turbo in that pic not a T3/60-1. I have seen a T3/T4 with a .48 housing make 409hp to the wheels. 1.8L B18C motor built it made that hp at 20psi. Don't worry the 2nd I find that dyno graph with the .63 over 400 I'll post it for you.

[Dori Dori]

That's a picture of a 60-1...from turbonetics themselves. Go and look for yourself.

http://www.turboneticsinc.com/catalog/t60.html

You are talking about a different turbo now...a t3/60-1 is different than a 60-1. A t3/60-1 uses a Full Size T-Series 4" Inlet 2.5" Outlet and a TO4B 60-1 compressor wheel. A 60-1 is based of a full T4 and uses a full 60-1 compressor wheel. Either way, a t3/60-1 is not your average t3/t4...and that dyno chart you posted is not of a stock 4g63 with an everyday t3/60-1. That's a custom bb turbo...not a thrust bearing t3/4 (or a standard t3/60-1)...and the motor has internal work...haha, nice try though.

Quote »• Crower valve springs• Crower titanium retainers• HKS 272/272 cams• Mitsubishi metal headgasket• ARP head studs• Turbonetics exhaust manifold• SBR 60-1[/quote]Trust me buddy, the SR is on par, if not better than a 4g63.

Forgot to mention, a B18C is a high compression motor. We are talking turbo motors here. That example does not apply.

[Yellow4g63]

Trust me buddy, the SR is on par, if not better than a 4g63.

Forgot to mention, a B18C is a high compression motor. We are talking turbo motors here. That example does not apply.

Since ur too freaking lazy to look at his mod list I'll post it for youMOD LIST:• 92 STOCK bottom end, 17000 miles on rebuild• 92 unported head• Crower valve springs<~~~Almost forgot + 40hp:rolleyes • Crower titanium retainers<~~~~~~+ 60h :rolleyes • HKS 272/272 cams• Mitsubishi metal headgasket• ARP head studs• Turbonetics exhaust manifold<~~~~For T3/T4 turbos• SBR 60-1• - .63 a/r• - Stg 3 exhaust wheel• - TS04 cover• Tial 35/40 HP wastegate• Dejon 4" compressor intake pipe• Extreme Motorsports D.I.S.• Victory Performance Big FMIC w/2.5" piping• Greddy Type-R BOV• Flex-a-lite Fans• Walbro 255lph HP fuel pump• SBR 72lb/hr (756cc) injectors• DSMLink• Greddy Profec-B• Greddy turbo timer• Greddy EGT gauge• Autometer Boost gauge• Autometer Oil Pressure gauge• Apex S-AFC• ACT 2600 pressure plate w/ACT street disk• Prothane motor mounts• 95 AWD transmission w/welded center & VCE• Magnecore 8.5mm plug wires• Front strut tower bar• Koni Yellow Adjustable Shocks• Ground control coilovers• Potenza S-03 pole position 225/45/17 on front• Carbon Fiber hood - 7lbs

So far it looks like a T3/T4 sounds like a T3/T4 Hybrid. The Honda I was talking about used a T3/T4 turbo High comp or no Comp it put down 400+ to the ground with a .48 housing on a "T3/T4" That DSM put down even more HP on the Stock bottom end. Have u ever seen the Rods on a 4G63 6 bolt motor? if u take a look at it u will see it's MUCH larger than the SR20's. Plz read the whole thing before u make another comment.

[Yellow4g63]

60-1 hybrid vs 16G I think the 16g could take him hahaha.

[Dori Dori]

Dude, you know absolutely nothing about engines and turbos, that's obvious now.

1. No, Crower valve springs and Crower titanium retainers won't increase hp and actually the cams won't do much either (without tuning and a bigger turbo anyway), but adding those means the motor is no longer stock.2. What that does do is strengthen the valvetrain, increase top end, and allow for more boost; which is why he is using 720cc injectors and pushing 480+hp.3. That is not a T3/T4 turbo so you posted that in vain in the first place. Like I said, it's not even your average t3/60-1...4. Yes it does matter that the B18C started n/a and has high compression...it matters a lot. Also, I doubt I should even believe you on this one being that you've shown no proof and a general lack of knowledge on motors/turbos in general.5. Yes, I have seen the internals of a 4g63. I know it's a capable motor, I never doubted that. But so is the SR and you seem to feel otherwise. Please, explain to me, if this is true, why there is an 8 sec 1/4 silvia if it's got such poor rod design.6. You have still yet to show me a dyno on your original example.7. I didn't post the entire list of mods b/c most of them don't matter for this discussion. I posted the list up until the importance level (as far as I was concerned) stopped.

[DonDonati88]

you go Dori Dori...tell 'em

lol

[Dori Dori]

60-1 hybrid vs 16G I think the 16g could take him hahaha.

Um, I don't know why you posted this picture. You do realize that the bigger of the two is the T04b 60-1, right? Again, why?

[Yellow4g63]

http://www.diamondstarmotorspo...shtml go to this page and order the 60-1hybrid it's the same one in the pic. Now a Silvia running 8's sweet I want to see the Stock rods on that sucker.:help WTF?!?! Hmm I think that might be a Built motor. A DSM runing 8's Hmmm I think that might be a built motor too. All I can tell u my missinformed friend is that I watched the honda with the .48 housing on his T3/T4 put down 400+ hp. Even if it was a High comp motor it was running the T3/T4 with the .48 housing. If all u do is Netrace all day and read that "ohh u can't get more than 400hp with a anything less than a .82 on a T3/T4" u should get out more often. Which mtor could take more HP stock SR or 4G63? from what I Have seen 4G63. Let me know when u get a chance to take a look at a 6 bolt motor and a SR20DET let me know what u think. :help

Lets Review real quick here

1. Can u get over 400 with a T3/T4 that has a .63 housing yes u can. well I guess if u can do it with a .48 u can do it with a .63 2. A Silvia running 8's with a built motor3. I don't bench race but I'm sure u do 4. Take a closer look at that pic I posted5. Visit other web pages besides nissan ones and learn more 6. Plz get out more often 7. go back to 1 if u still don't get it.

[Dori Dori]

OMG.:rolleyes

First off, about the 8-sec silvia, that was merely to show capabilities of the SR (which you downplayed). Nothing more.

Second, please tell me what I am misinformed about?

Third, where is that dyno plot of a DSM putting down over 400whp with a t3/t4 .63ar? I'd actually like to see that...

Forth, I'm still trying to figure out why you posted that pic. What's the big deal, it's a 16g and a t04b 60-1. I know exactly where it came from because I have visited that site many, many times before.

Fifth, I don't even own a nissan. To be honest, I'm just learning about the SR. Sadly, i only have pics of the internals and have sadly yet to see one in person. I can't say the same for rotories, honda motors of all shapes and sizes, 4g63's, and EJ20's. And to answer your question, I don't know which can handle more stock. Even though the rods are not as beefy on a SR (actually, they are pretty small), the engine is square and the rods are shorter... Do you know which one can handle more? I don't. I can tell you though, that I love the 4g63 and am well aware of it's past accomplishmits. I'm actually thinking of building up a DSM instead of a Nissan. I only jumped on you b/c you made an ignorant comment and were wrong, so you could stop defending the 46g3 (more specifically, the 1st gen, or 6-bolt as you like to call it).

Oh, and I get out more than enough, but thanks for the concern. I do 99% of my internet surfing at work...that's the beauty of working IT.

[PSSHHGOESMYSR20]

That's a T3 T4 with a 60-1 compressor wheel.

Um, I don't know why you posted this picture. You do realize that the bigger of the two is the T04b 60-1, right? Again, why?