Should I Build My Ka24e Also?

[PROJECTRB240SX]

I HAVE ALREADY BEGUN MY RB20 BUILD AND WAS WONDERING SHOULD I KEEP MY KA24E AND TOTALLY BUILD IT TO BE A AXLE-SNAPPING MONSTER? MY PLANS FOR IT WOULD BE:

2.7 LITLER STROKER ALL FORGEDHIGH-DOMED .060 OVER PISTONSDUAL LAYER BRASS AND STAINLESS STEEL SLEEVES.5-ANGLE VALVE JOBHIGH TORQUE CAM (STILL DECIDING BASED ON FINAL EGINE OUTPUT) [HIGHER LIFT BUT SHORTER DURATION]SUPER-SWIRL PORT-POLISH280Z TURBO OIL PUMPSUMP OIL PANTITANIUM VALVE SET (SPRINGS, PLUNGERS, RETAINERS, ETC.)1000CC FUEL INJECTORSFUEL PUMPHIGH HEAT PLUGSBRASS HEAD GASKET ( HIGH COMPRESSION 12 OR 13/1)CUSTOM ARP STUDSWIDER COOLANT PORTS

THIS WILL BE CLOSE TO A $10K PROJECT SHOULD I DO IT? I MEAN IT'LL NEVER GET USED UNLESS I GET ANOTHER 240. BUT IT'LL BE COOL TO HAVE IF I EVER GOT BORED OF MY SKYLINE MOTOR.

[HackofDestruct]

Biggest question is do you have the cash?

If you have the cash then comes Will you have the time.

If you have the time then comes want-Do you want another 240?

If all of those are yes then do it do it do it

[PROJECTRB240SX]

I HAVE CASH AND TIME, THESE ARE NOT THE ISSUES.ITS THE FACT THAT SHOULD I DO IT JUST TO DO IT AND PROBABLY NEVER RUN IT OR SHOULD I JUST GET RID OF THE MOTOR?

I AM THE TYPE OF PERSON THAT IF IT SITS IN MY GARAGE IT BECOMES A BORDOM PROJECT. MONEY IS NO OBJECT WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.

[Drift Machine]

I say build, and if you never use it. I'm sure you would have no problem selling it after you built it.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

I'LL SEE ABOUT IT, IT WOULD BE SWEET AFTER I'M DONE. ONE NICE LOOKING PAPERWEIGHT.

[Titan]

There's no way your stroking a KA24E to a 2.7 liter.

The cylinder side walls are extremely thin to begin with, and barely tolerate a slight bore.

Look:

[PROJECTRB240SX]

IMPORTPERFORMANCEPARTS.COM HAS ALREADY DONE IT. THEY WENT I THINK .060 OVER AND A 10MM LONGER STROKE. ITS BEEN DONE. IF YOU SLEEVE THEN CRYO FREEZE IT, IT WILL HANDLE IT. AND DISPLACMENT ISN'T BY BORE ALONE. YOU CAN USE CONCAVED PISTONS OR EVEN EXTEND THE STROKE OF THE ENGINE. 2.7L IS OBTAINABLE AND IT ALREADY HAS BEEN. I COULD GET PROBABLY 2.8 OUT OF THE ENGINE AND IT STILL BE STABLE.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

OHH AND I'AM MEASURING BY USING FLAT-TOP PISTONS. WHEN I USE THE DOMED PISTONS ITS GOING TO BE LESS DISPLACEMENT AND EXTREME COMPRESSION.

[Titan]

Going .06 over is too thin for high boost applications in my opinion.

I mean just boosting high on the stock block is treading the line very thinly.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

THIS IS A NA ENGINE! ITS ALL MOTOR POWER. SCREW THE BOOST WHEN YOU HAVE A TORQUE MONSTER LIKE THIS.

[ADAMHU]

he he..its kinda neat seeing people use my pictures from my website

instead of stroking it...why not just up the compression.....(or is this a street motor?)

There's no way your stroking a KA24E to a 2.7 liter.

The cylinder side walls are extremely thin to begin with, and barely tolerate a slight bore.

Look:

[PROJECTRB240SX]

IT'LL BE ALL RACE! ITS GOING TO BE STROKED, DECKED, AND USE DOMED PISTONS. I THINK WHEN THE MOTOR IS FULLY BUILT COMPRESSION IS GOING TO BE MASSIVE. FROM THE DECKING IT'S GOING TO BE AROUND THE 13.5/1 AREA, WITH THE STROKING AND DOMED PISTONS ITS GOING TO BE BETWEEN 15 TO 17/1 RATIO.

[ADAMHU]

are your race rules limiting you to stay NA?

thats alot of work for little gain....

maybe forced induction would be easier...?

[PROJECTRB240SX]

NO I WANT TO SEE WHAT THIS MOTOR CAN ACHIEVE AND THANKS TO THAT JJ WHATEVER A**HOLE I AM GOING TO BUILD THIS MOTOR JUST TO SLAP HIM IN THE FACE WITH IT. I ALREADY HAVE A TURBO ENGINE (RB20DET), THIS WOULD END UP A PAPER WEIGHT AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF I SHOULD JUST PUT IT TO USE.

[Exar-Kun]

sell it for parts for the rb20det.-chet

[PROJECTRB240SX]

WHAY I AM ALREADY GETTING WHAT I NEED FOR THE RB20. I AM GOING TO PROVE SOME PEOPLE WRONG HOW EVER LONG IT TAKES. SHOULDN'T BE TOO LONG THOUGH.

[ADAMHU]

hey ..if you got the money and time why not?

[PROJECTRB240SX]

HOW MUCH POWER DO YOU THINK I CAN PULL OUT OF THIS ENGINE IF I DID EVERYTHING AVAILABLE TO ME?

[Titan]

Hehe, sorry Adam for not citing the picture properly.

BTW, did you ever get that e-mail I sent you?

[TomsMR2]

SHOULD I KEEP MY KA24E AND TOTALLY BUILD IT TO BE A AXLE-SNAPPING MONSTER? MY PLANS FOR IT WOULD BE:

i call bs. you'll never do this... why?Quote » DUAL LAYER BRASS AND STAINLESS STEEL SLEEVES.

why the hell would anyone sleeve a cast iron NA?Quote » 1000CC FUEL INJECTORS[/quote] too big for na.

then he goes to list off a bunch of other words you always hear in import tuner or something of the like, and a bunch of mods that dont really add up... like a torquey cam for a high output na? sleeves+bore? some crap about a 17:1 comp ratio, decking the block with custom pistons etc etc. just a buncha hot popular phrases tossed together... like saying you're gonna add a header to your turbo car.

a high output build would be like:12:1 comp pistonspauter rods, good ringshigh lift, long duration camsextensive port worksome type of headersome type of intake manifoldupgraded bearingslarger valves, valve jobupgraded valvetrainstandalone ems.. and plan on revving the piss out of it. .. no crap about 1K cc injectors or sleeves.

either you have too much money, and no knowlege.. or its bs.

[U12 2NR]

i call bs.

I call stupidity. (on him, not you).

[Titan]

I'm guessing he owned a honda before this.

[:: orion ::]

Guys - Jump over to the thread entitled "I need information!!"

Same argument there...but I did all the math for him to prove it. Basically, it's not possible from the displacement he wants to do this without ridiculous revs, which is not the route he's going...

Enjoy! - Brian

[S13Ka24e]

musicsurfman: I have been over to http://www.importperformanceparts.net/ and i have not seen there stroker kit released for the ka24e. Did you e-mail them, or are you just guessing that they went .060 over and 10mm longer? I'm just wonder, because i was interested in there kit. If you did e-mail them, did they give a projected cost? Thanks.

[Megaseth]

I'm gonna have to agree, there is no effing way to do this the way he wants it done.

[TomsMR2]

its not just that.. its that it *cant* be done. check the other thread, people did the math.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

OK I E-MAILED THEM, THEY WOULDN'T GIVE ME A SPECIFIC COST YET ($1500 - $3400) BUT IT WOULD BE ABOUT $2400 MOST LIKELY.

UHH, YOU SLEEVE A BLOCK FOR MASSIVE OVER-BORE

1000CC INJECTORS ARE NOT TOO BIG IF I AM GOING TO INJECT METHANOL EVENTUALLY (WHICH I WOULD PLAN ON DOING).

I DON'T READ ANYTHING BUT SCC.

THE CAM METHOD I CHOSE WAS FOR ALOT OF TORQUE THROUGHOUT THE POWER BAND (DRAG ONLY) BUT LOWERS THE REVS BY ABOUT 1K RPM, I REALIZE THROUGH OTHER THREADS AND ORIONS SMART-*** UNHELPFUL COMMENTS THAT I SHOULD RETHINK THE WAY I WOULD DISTRIBUTE THE POWER THROUGHT THE POWER BAND AND EXTEND THE REVS QUITE A BIT.

WHAT TERMS DID I USE THAT ARE FROM TRENDY MAGAZINES? SUPER-SWIRL POLISH? THATS WHAT MY LOCAL MACHINE SHOP HAS IT LISTED AS.

YOU DECK THE HEAD TO INCREASE COMPRESSION. THE THICK HEAD GASKET KEEPS IT STABLE.

THE 12:1 COMPRESSION BARRIER IS THE REASON WHY YOU PEOPLE NEVER ACHIEVE ANYTHING. YOU HAVE TO UP COMPRESSION TO UP THE POWER.

LOOK I AM NOT OUT TO IMPRESS ANYONE. ALL I WANTED WAS TO KNOW IF I SHOULD SPEND THE TIME ON THIS. I KNOW I AM NOT THE SMARTEST GUY ON THE PLANET, AND I DEFINATELY DON'T KNOW EVERYTING ABOUT ENGINES AND CARS BUT I DO KNOW ENOUGH FROM BEING AROUND RACE CARS MY WHOLE LIFE. THINGS CAN BE DONE FROM A BASE PLAN AND THEN LATER TWEAKING THAT PLAN TO MEET THE NEEDS SET BY YOU. I'M SORRY I DO NOT CONFORM TO YOUR NUMBERS, BUT YOU DO REALIZE THAT THOSE NUMBERS WERE CREATED THROUGH TRIAL AND ERROR. I REMEMBER WHEN RULES WERE MEANT TO BE BROKEN.

ANYWAY I AM GOING TO SCRAP MY PROJECT FOR THE BETTER, I AM GOING TO BUILD UP A RB25DET TO GO WITH MY RB20 THATS GOING INTO MY CAR SOON. THANKS FOR WHAT LITTLE ADVICE I RECIEVED AND ALL THE SMART-*** BRING DOWN COMMENTS ALL OF YOU MADE (BESIDES A SELECTED FEW). THIS ALL-MOTOR FORUM IS USE-LESS, BECAUSE NONE OF YOU WILL EVER BUILD A REAL KA MOTOR. YOU PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE SITTING ON THE SAFE SIDE OF THINGS USING TESTED, PROVEN METHODS FOR THE MINIMAL HP TO DOLLAR RATIO YOU ACHIEVE.

[TomsMR2]

its not that people are being safe... its that people wanna do mods that actually work, and give power. people dont like dumping thousands into their motor to turn it into total crap. theres a few decently tuned NA's running around nico.

[PROJECTRB240SX]

IF I WERE TO DUMP THIS MONEY INTO THIS MOTOR IT WOULDN'T BE CRAP IT'LL DO EXACTLLY WHAT I WANT IT TO DO. OHH AND BY THE WAY THE WHOLE THING ABOUT NUMBERS AND QM TIMES, THERE ARE ALOT OF FACTORS TO BE HAD WHEN RUNNING THE QM. EVERYTHING FROM TIRES TO WIEGHT IT ALL IS A FACTOR. IF I WERE TO BUILD UP AN ENGINE AND EXPECT IT TO RUN THOSE TIMES IT WOULD BE LUDACRIST. I WOULD BUILD A COMPLETE CAR GROUND UP AND EXPECT THOSE TIMES.

[:: orion ::]

...I REALIZE THROUGH OTHER THREADS AND ORIONS SMART-*** UNHELPFUL COMMENTS THAT I SHOULD RETHINK THE WAY I WOULD DISTRIBUTE THE POWER THROUGHT THE POWER BAND AND EXTEND THE REVS QUITE A BIT.

Hey now...I was not unhelpful - You just said it made you re-think the method in which you're gonna acheive this. Good.

And I was a smart-*** only once, about the "drumroll please" comment...

Otherwise, you learned something, and you're gonna push the envelope...good for you.

It seems like you're all pissy now that we've helped you to re-think the project in a more do-able manner...no reason for that. It's constructive criticism...

Anyway, good luck - Keep us posted if you attempt it.

Later