Shipping damages

Post by **charlotte240** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

Hi, I just got my SR20 on Saturday, but unfortunatly, UPS broke a few things on it. I already got a new cam angle sensor, and a new power steering pulley, and a new crank pully. (BTW, does the stock KA crank pulley interchange with the SR one? they look exactly the same and I measured them to have the same circumference for all three belts. The reason I'm asking this is because they chipped my crank pulley and I'm wanting to know if I can use my stock KA one or even get an unorthodox crank pulley.)

I have 2 questions.

1) The coolant intlet on the exhaust side of the head is broken. Are there any USDM parts that will interchange with that? I already went to the junk yard and the FWD SR20DE's are WAY different. If you don't know what I'm talking about, it looks like a thermostat housing without a thermostat.

2) I have a s13 Blacktop. What is the little pin sticking out of the block just above the crank pulley for? It makes it almost impossible to install an alternator belt.

Thanks

BTW, UPS sucks! Never use them! FedEx is the only way to go!

Post by **240_Keyy** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

someone shipped a motor to you via UPS? What a mistake!

Post by **charlotte240** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

yeah, well, they charged 285 from Phoenix, wheras everywhere else wanted like 600 or 700.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

dude, FEDEX lost a bunch of christmas packages, they will ONLY deliver at a certain time of day, 3 attempts, and then they send it back.. Too bad if you have to work. Not to mention their tracking is ALWAYS several days behind.

Post by **charlotte240** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

dudes, it doesn't matter about the shipping companies. That is nowhere NEAR the point of posting the thread.

Post by **SWIFT_DRIFT** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

your thread title is shipping dmgs....what is the point of this thread?

And to answer your first question: There are no US parts that interchange with the coolant inlet. you will need to purchase a new jdm oem piece if it is broken.

Post by **SET240SX** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

I sure hope ups is paying for the damages. Good luck

Post by **charlotte240** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

I titled it shipping damages, because I would like some help fixing the shipping damages. Not because I wanted to talk about what shipping company is good or bad. Thanks for the info though, I'll have to have something ordered or fabricated.

On a side note, SET, yeah, the assesor is coming out and I gotta have all my reciepts for fixing it.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

to your 2nd question: The pin above the crank pulley is a timing mark. Lets you lineup TDC.

Post by **charlotte240** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

Cool, that makes sense.

So, anyone know about the crank pulley being interchangeable?

Post by **240_Keyy** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

I don't think they are because the number of little row things on it is different

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

It bugs me that there are not lightweight crank pulleys for SR

Post by **BuudWeizErr** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

Cyberkreig wrote:It bugs me that there are not lightweight crank pulleys for SR

Yeah, I always wondered why that was.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

I have some friends i've met through delivery that work at a custom CNC place. I wonder if it would be worth my time to get something going.

Post by **ImportIntelligence** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

I have found with a lot of Nissan's the aftermarket crank pulley's make the front oil seal leak, a lot of pulley companies like ASP and Unorthodox are plagued by nissan customers complaining of leaking front seals. I was the donor for the KA crank pulley for ASP and I can tell you that they must have sent out 4 different designs for the KA and they all leaked. ( even with a new seal! )

Post by **Zaxx84** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

Me and a buddy of mine (TommyyJ) installed the ASP pulley on his KA, and did the front main seal at the same time. Has never leaked since then.

Post by **94teggy** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

I have heard from some of the Honda guys that lightened crank pulleys can mess up the engine somehow. I'm not sure exactly how but if I run across why they supposedly do I'll post it up.

-Jon-

Post by **Zaxx84** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

...if that is indeed the case, I have never heard it before...

Post by **charlotte240** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

From what I've heard, a crank pulley is incorporated with the harmonic balancer. When you lighten a crank pulley it messes up the syncronization with that little balancing system. It then eventually wallows out the front seal causing it to leak.

I'll try to find out the link where I read that.

I know that in some cases, the crank pulley is a two peice unit with a rubber bushing. I believe this is when an engine is externally balanced. It almost acts as a "damper" if you will. I don't know if the SR is or is not externally balanced, because I haven't pulled the crank pulley yet.

Post by **94teggy** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

These are both from team-integra.net and are from a very respected guy on there who really knows his stuff...

Quote »The alleged damage to the engine is related to excessive vibration from the lack of dampening which then affects the bearings and other parts connected to the crankshaft like the oil pump. This extra vibrational effect happens over time not instantly. This is why there is a controversy in the first place. If it happened right away or close to the time you installed it, we'd all know that this is a nasty upgrade without a doubt. But it hasn't happened that way.

So if you experience pump failure or a spun bearing, was it due to the crank underpulley or was it the natural failure of a part being pushed at high performance over time? No one is going to be able to sort those out.

Many people, including Unorthodox, claim that the oil pump failures are not attributable to their product. The Honda oil pump gear is made of brittle powdered metal which warp under high loading over a long time and the gears begin to rub against the pump housing causing them to explode. The second explanation given regarding the Honda oil pump failures is related to the pump's backing plate and the lack of an extra screw in the Bseries ones (the H series oil pump's backing plates apparently have this extra screw). Under high load acceleration, the pump backing plate flexes and eventually buckles, which allows the brittle powdered metal oil pump gear to walk on the crankshaft snout and as soon as the pump gear moves, it binds with the oil pump housing and explodes. The last thing the pro-underpulley people blame is the loose factory clearance tolerances between the pump gear and the crankshaft.[/quote]

and

Quote »either you believe the honda crankshaft pulley is a harmonic balancer or you don't. If you don't, and many do not, then you would go ahead and buy one. But if you do and plan to run the engine hard in the upper rpms, you would avoid them like the plague...it all comes down to what you think is true.

I've heard arguments from very well respected people on both sides of the fence.

When smart people can't definitively agree on a point, then I tend to avoid the part altogether until someone can come up with a convincing proof to nullify the other side. To this day I have yet to hear one from either side proving to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is a risk free addition. So I look to other places for gains and leave well enough alone there.[/quote]

Now I'm not sure how much of that will apply to the SR but there's what I've heard about Hondas.

-Jon-

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Tue Jun 17, 2003 2:00 pm

Uhm.. Why doesnt someone just pull a crank pully and spin it and see if it is off balance? this would prove it is used as a counterbalance.

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