shim vlsd difficulties!!

[poshatch]

alright soooo....

got everything out cool, got the shim in fine, got the gearing back in the housing, got the short shaft in andddd.....

cant get the long shaft in!!

im like wtf at this point cause it goes in the first set of teeth, then when i can push it in no farther, i try tapping it in, but instead of going in, it just bounces back

it must not be lining up properly or something

anybody else have this problem or any tricks to getting it in or do i need to straight take out the gearing and start over...

errr

[LOVERboy]

mine was the other way around .... it was the little ring .... you have to take that out ... if its stuck inside the vlsd ...

[poshatch]

I KNEW IT!!! i looked inside the gearing and i saw a little lock ring thing and iwas like thats gonna be annoying

dang, alright ill get this shizzit done thanks for the info

so the rings not being used right?

[poshatch]

f***!

ok so i took out the gearing again

then i looked at one of the write ups to make sure that i am putting the spacers on the right side and in the right order

i did what the picture shows, the 1 thin spacer on the side closest to the main gear

and the larger spacer and thinner spacer (facing the bearings) on the side farthest from the gearing

got it in, then tried to put the long shaft in again and it wont go in, its doing the same thing!!

short side goes in, the long side wont!

i even tried puttin the half shafts on the opposite side and still the same problem, the short half shaft goes in and the long one wont

what gives!

[sancosys]

Whats up Cory!

I had the same problem. I haven't taking the time to figure it out but the long side just wont go it for anything. Maybe the get engagement is making a pain? Mine almost seemed like it was hitting the other side.

Aaron(Red coupe from TD)

[poshatch]

whudup man! well when they are both in they should meet eachother but shouldnt keep it out

yeah dude its a real pain in the a**

my friends friend said that he just had to beat the living s*** out of it, and it went in, and that its nearly impossible to get in

like he enphesized beat!, so i gotta get a mallet or something and beat the hell oout of it cause all i got now is a hammer

i even tried getting it all lined up and dropping the whole diff itself on it (crazy weight) and nothing

[motoman399]

god i hate vlsd's... but try taking out your shim and see if you still have the problem. getting a mallet and banging it in there is not the answer for win, but it is the answer for fail! if it doesnt work dont do it.

[poshatch]

my stock vlsd works great, i dont understand how or why haha, everybody elses peg legs and mine keeps locking

but i dont think the shim has much to do with the splining.. i mean i examined the gearing where the shim goes, thinking its possibly the shim, but then it looks like it dosnt have anything to do with it,

it gets stuck at the spider gears basically, i can look in and see that it doesnt wanna go into that next set of gearing

and i guess banging is the answer for the desperation? idono, thats just what my friends friend said he had to do when he shimed his and his works intensely

[motoman399]

and i guess banging is the answer for the desperation?

the only think i would use a mallet for is to bang you in the head lol

your friends freinds little brothers teachers moms ex-husband said...

[poshatch]

what i should do is get my friends freinds little brothers teachers moms ex-husband to hit me in the head with a mallet...

then ill be super smart and could figure out this problem of mine

[poshatch]

reviving the DEAD!!

so i got the proper ruber malle to attempt to BEAT THE CRAP out of the half shaft, it did the same thing before so i didnt beat the crap out of it i just what i did before and its still not going in

aaron man it does seem like it is hitting the other side, as odd as that might be, i checked at the bearing spacers and checked that they were correct side and they are, otherwise the gearing wouldnt line up with the gear at the back of the pumpin so yeah

i had been suggested that i use two of the small half shafts instead of the short and long one, howeverrrr i dont know if: 1. thats safe, 2. that will even work, and 3. it seems to me that the second pair of gearing in the long half shaft is what engages the locking of the vlsd in the first place so that would essentially turn it into an open diff if 1 and 2 possible...

comments?

[motoman399]

you should put something like sealant on the end of the shaft so that when you put it in it transfers the color to what ever its hitting and then you can figure out whats going on.

i told you beating the crap out of it wasnt a good ideal. its a machine fit. you dont beat the crap out of things that are a machine fit

"s*** the piston wont go in..."
"dont worry ill get the 20lbs sledge hammer"

sound like a good idea? lol

[Wc240]

the "spacers" are very specific to YOUR diff. dont put them in like anyone elses, put them in how they came out of yours.

putting a little something(wouldnt use sealant) on it to see where its hitting is a good idea, but too lengthy for me.
pull the carrier out of the pumpkin, put the shaft in. that way it will be way easier to see whats holdin it up.
make sure the lock ring is ok. if its just a little bent, it will give you tons of trouble

[motoman399]

there is nothing wrong with sealant. he would be removing it anyways after.

[poshatch]

damn, well the lock rings were removed completely so that is taken out of the equation completely so that couldnt be the reason, i dont undestand at all why it will not go in, its exactly how i pulled it appart, i tried switching stuff around just to see if i had been mistaken but they all didnt work so now im back to where i started, i dont know why it wouldnt go in since the shim shouldnt affect the teeth in any way, this is so annoying, i dont see shimming as a common thing so the amount of people who have experienced this problem seems to be fairly limited, ughh what a pain

[motoman399]

i dont know how the vlsd goes together, but you might try and take it apart and when you reassemble it, put the half shafts in first then tighten everything down. it might be cocking on gear to the side or twisting it somehow. which doesnt sound good if thats the case. but good luck. might as well just weld it. lol

[RCA]

I'm not syaing I have the answer, but pictures explaining what you wrote would be super helpfull

[poshatch]

I'm not syaing I have the answer, but pictures explaining what you wrote would be super helpfull

thats not a bad idea lol i might do that

both the write ups i found on it were a bit choppy on information and pictures unfortuantely and i followed them as best i could but its undoubtedly something i did otherwise it should go in

ill post pics up asap of what im dealing

p.s. i dont think you can weld a vlsd

[RustspecS13]

Get an open diff.

Weld it

Or get a kaaz.

VLSD is for non serious people and wimps.

Seriously all my friends cars have welded diffs. Daily driven in all seasons including ice and snow. I'm the odd man out having a Kaaz 2 way and they work equally well.

~Alex

[motoman399]

^ truth!

my name is alex too haha

[poshatch]

Get an open diff.

Weld it

Or get a kaaz.

VLSD is for non serious people and wimps.

Seriously all my friends cars have welded diffs. Daily driven in all seasons including ice and snow. I'm the odd man out having a Kaaz 2 way and they work equally well.

~Alex

i would love a kaaz, just not in the budget right now, vlsd's are not that bad, everybody hates on them cause they have bad experiences that they dont lock properly but mine may as well be a welded when drifting is concerned, its never failed me, never pegged, never done any of the oh so frequent random things that our cars do, always locks, stays locked, is EXTREMELY predictable, and they dont make noise, they dont chew threw tires like a cookie monster so really IMO the wimpy vlsd does just fine for my purposes

ive always wanted to feel real lsd or a shimmed vlsd, havnt got the opportunity yet so maybe ill be perswaded to fork up the mula for a kaaz 1.5 way or 2 way one day

[motoman399]

i would love a kaaz, just not in the budget right now, vlsd's are not that bad, everybody hates on them cause they have bad experiences that they dont lock properly but mine may as well be a welded when drifting is concerned, its never failed me, never pegged, never done any of the oh so frequent random things that our cars do, always locks, stays locked, is EXTREMELY predictable, and they dont make noise, they dont chew threw tires like a cookie monster so really IMO the wimpy vlsd does just fine for my purposes

ummm then why are you changing it? i bet if you do a 180 turn burning out the inside tire mark will be WAY darker than the outside one. everyone i know that has a vlsd thinks they are the greatest. everyone i know that has a welded laughs at the vlsd's. as for the 2 way diff. you wont notice a difference between that and a welded on street tires.

[poshatch]

im not, its my friends vlsd haha, its just a little side project thinggy i got going on that i was experimenting with, and its not working, and its frustrating, but just because the tire mark is darker dosnt mean it gets any less sideways or look any less better, i dont have any hp so its not like i make smoke anyway when drifting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXGybv2YcV4

can you tell that isnt a welded? cause i cant

[RustspecS13]

No but it does mean its not consistent. Welded and Clutch types are fully locked and completely even.

They also fade with heat and power. Yours may be ok now, but it will wear out especially with drift abuse.

I know I don't need to worry about my diff fail sauce-ing me into a wall. The last thing you need to worry about when your drifting a few inches off the wall is if your diff will transfer power differently and make you straighten out.

Seriously KISS, weld a open diff. If you go through too many tires because of the welded diff your not doing it right.

~Alex

[PyR0NiAk]

Welding your daily's differential is retarded.. If it's a spare and you're just going to throw it in for events, cool. For a daily, though... it's stupid.

[poshatch]

i have a welded lol, i understand about the eventual fading of the diff, and id really like this shimming thing to wor

i wish somebody who has actually shimmed a diff successfuly to chime in!! tell me what the hell im doing wrong because im sure somebody ran into the same thing and also how its drifting

im guessing when my diff fades ill put the welded in until i can afford a kaaz 1.5 way =P

[zeause]

I welded mine a few weeks ago. In the rain is fun, but on dry streets N/A Ka chirping around corners sucks. Im already looking for a vlsd until i can get a 1.5 or 2 way

[motoman399]

Welding your daily's differential is retarded.. If it's a spare and you're just going to throw it in for events, cool. For a daily, though... it's stupid.

just curious if you have owned one, and ran it daily for at least 2 months?

[PyR0NiAk]

Got enough friends that drive them to know that I can't stand riding in them... I've also watched enough guys on base get harassed and told their vehicle can't be moved on base again until it gets a new differential..

[motoman399]

dont care about your base and what they said. sorry bud but dont give people advise on parts you have never tried. weldeds are great! if you have owned one for over a week you get used to it and you dont even feel it any more (for the most part)

i PERSONALLY ran one for a year. the only reason im not running one now is because i have a wrecked car. /thread jack