Shifting Without Clutch???

[deez1001]

I have always wondered how or if it is possible to shift a manual car without using the clutch. Some dumbass from school said u could and i didnt believe him, but i heard someone else say something else about it to. Can only certain trannys do it or maybe just race cars? just wondering.

[89240sx]

certain trannys are capable of shifting without the clutch but unsure if that is all the gears or only certain ones.

[redrocket]

shifting with out the clutch only works at certain rpms you will can damage the transmission so I do not recommend doing it

[89240sx]

I guess I stand corrected... I wasnt sure exactly how it was done I was only guessing... but I knew it COULD be done.

[redrocket]

see the teeth of the transmission reach a certain point where they line allowing the shifter to slide outin to neutral then you have to find the right rpm point for it too shift into the next gear

[Atl_240sx]

shifting like that would be an interesting experience..redrocket you have a very unique signature..i like it!!!!

[FrEaK]

I find this is difficult to do with 240 trannies...

I've seen it done... but never paid much attention because it really isn't an issue...

[TurboKA37]

i seem to come close to doing it when shifting really fast(i havent been driving that long) but i have the clutch slightly engaged. it does work tho. i was with my cousin in his DSM when he accidently did it

[180maniac]

yeah it can be done, i haven't ever done it but my dad does it all the time just messing around. redrocket is right though if you do it at the wrong RPM then it can really screw up your transmission

[red240ne]

why risk it?

[[Zero-S]]

The only real reason to do it is if your clutch goes out and you need to get back home without using it.

[toki]

My friend did it in his granny, the transmission sounded like it was crying for dear life.

[[Zero-S]]

I bet...its really hard to rev match...

[4felix20]

i used to have an old *** car with a messed up clutch slave cylinder. the clutch would ALways go out. i'd have to jam it into first, then when it's time to shift, you slip it out to neutral real quick. while it's in neutral, you just play with the RPMs while giving steady pressure to the shifter into the next gear. usually, it'll just slip right into the next gear....if you're good

you wouldn't want to do this if your clutch is working good though...and it's pretty easy with just about all manual trannies.

[deez1001]

sweet, does anyone know what range onm a 240 you can shift???? Im gonna go try it on my bros beater and see if i can do it without fudgin his car up.

[implict]

Its true you can.... but there is a $price$ to pay for doin it

[mikeG]

It doesn't take a certain type of transmission, any transmission can do it. You just have to have an IQ slightly higer than say, boiled carrots?The transmission out of the integra type R does it easier than most because they designed it for road racing.

[toki]

your brothers beater + you fuqing it up = your brother beating you. With his beater. beat beat beat.

[deez1001]

haha i was just kiddin about that, if there is no advantage why do it. I jsut wondered if it worked like an auto transmision, as in u not having to take ur foot off of the gas. Also another question, does anyone know anywhere that sells 19" rims for the 240sx??? I want to do something a little different and i havent seen 2 many with 19"s. Also is there anyone from ohio representin here?

[UncleBen]

My buddies dad can do it in his s14 easily. Very easily I might add. I don't know how (well, I do, but, yea) or why, but he can. I haven't tried to do it, my transmission already sucks enough.

[Josh]

It doesn't take a certain type of transmission, any transmission can do it. You just have to have an IQ slightly higer than say, boiled carrots?

Haha...

It's not all that hard... When you come out of first gear just ease it into second when the RPMs fall to the right place... the same for third and fourth. I don't do it in fifth because I can't and it grinds anytime I try.

The same for downshifting, pull it out of gear, bring the RPMs higher and ease it into the lower gear.

And by easing it, don't do it too slow or it'll grind. Too fast, and it wont go in.

Anyways, unless your clutch is gone I see no benefits... Its faster with the clutch and less painful for the transmission.

[240marcuSX]

i know this girl that has a new jetta 1.8t and it has a transmission that you can switch from manual to automatic, and you just push the nob forward to upshift, and down to downshift. i forget what you call that type of transmission. but, entirely possible, but only recommended on a transmission that is built for it.

[rtsol]

its only gonna damage the transmission if you grind your gears all the time. i learned how to shift without the clutch and now i see using it as a pain. its sooo easy, and if done right(with a lil practice) is not bad on the transmission. hes right about the type r, all b series hondas are EXTREMELY easy to clutchless shift. the only time i use it now, is for getting into first and reverse. heres how you do it:

(say your in 2nd just cruising)let off the gas as you go to nuetralhold it in nuetral for a split second(basically shift VERY slow) you must let the rpms drop to where they would normally be when you hit the next gear. it will go right in to 3rd.

now for downshift:(say your in 4th @ any certain rpm)let off the gas as you throw it in nuetral. rev the motor to the rpm youd be at in the next lower gear. when ever you hit that rpm, the shifter will fall into place.

since the process is so slow, you dont want to use this method during racing or any sort of hauling a$$. i use it when im normally driving-like to and from work.

[erich]

From what I have gathered it is a techinque use in conjunction with left foot braking.Before entering a turn you brake with your left foot. You slip the car into neutral as you start to brake. While braking you set the RPMs with your right foot to where it will be at the turn entry and slip it into gear when everything is aligned. You then let off of the brakes and start adding throttle to maintain speed through the corner. This technique allows later braking becuase you don't have to get off of the brakes to shift gears while setting up for the corner.It's aslo a lot easier with a dog box.

[f8sjester]

watching a tow-truck driver do it (don't ask why i was in the truck heh), I asked him how it worked. . . basically he said that if you apply gentle pressure to the shifter (like downward pressure if you're in 3rd going into 4th), when the synchro's are lined up then it'll just slide into the next gear without the clutch. . .

I've played with it a couple of times. . . it seems it's really easy to drop the car into neutral from any gear using this technique. . . but I've only managed to actually get it into the next gear on 3 different occasions and it didn't grind at all. . . didn't even take my foot off the gas. . .

[Touchdown038]

Like it's been said already, it's really easy to do (easiest from 3rd to 4th IMO.) All you do is slide the shifter out, and as the revs fall, give the shifter a little pressure in the direction of the next gear. It should slide right in. And it's worked with many different manual trannies I've tried.

Or maybe you just gotta have mad skills like me

[[Zero-S]]

i know this girl that has a new jetta 1.8t and it has a transmission that you can switch from manual to automatic, and you just push the nob forward to upshift, and down to downshift. i forget what you call that type of transmission. but, entirely possible, but only recommended on a transmission that is built for it.

The technical name for that kind of transmission is tiptronic, but I dunno what wankwagon calls it.

[DSM91]

The only real reason to do it is if your clutch goes out and you need to get back home without using it.

I had to drive 8 hours like that in my Talon. Sucks when you lose a spring 4 states away from home.

[redrx7]

i dont know what u guys are talking about its super easyu just need to play around to find the right rpmu can even show off to people by lifting ur left foot up and shifting gears that wayif u wanna try something harderdont touch the gas and put it in firstand let the clutch out slowly and let the idle make u gothen shift into 2nd without the gas and keep the car going all with no gas

[Josh]

I've played with it a couple of times. . . it seems it's really easy to drop the car into neutral from any gear using this technique. . . but I've only managed to actually get it into the next gear on 3 different occasions and it didn't grind at all. . . didn't even take my foot off the gas. . .

Thats because it will always come out of gear... at no throttle or full throttle you can always pull it out...