selling my 300zx n/a to buy a nissan 240sx (s13)

[deiivo]

hi guys once more im making this post to know your opinion about this 2 cars upgrades and mods and economy which one do u prefer and why i liek boths by the way is just that 240sx becouse is more economic in gas and i see the 240sx can be damm fast

[Razi]

The 240sx isn't going to be very economical if you plan to make it fast.

[deiivo]

but still more economical than the Z right?? i think

[OutToWinPAHC]

I personally prefer the S chassis, but the Z32 was way ahead of it's time. Great fun car, solid chassis, driveline and braking, nice interior considering it was designed in 1988. I like the Z for a daily, but I would do a swapped Z. Thing's scream 1JZ-GTE w/vvti

[Lobo240sx]

The 300zx is a beautiful car, but you need some power like 500+hp to get that heavy pig moving. The 240 will be better in the power to weight category. Stock Sr's running 15psi on a T25 walked away from a 300TT on 19psi lol.

If you are going with a Supra engine 2JZ converted to single turbo all day.

[simmode1]

The 300zx is a beautiful car, but you need some power like 500+hp to get that heavy pig moving. The 240 will be better in the power to weight category.

Someone is sadly mistaken. I double dog dare you to go say that in the Z32 General board...

[Lobo240sx]

Someone is sadly mistaken. I double dog dare you to go say that in the Z32 General board...

This coming from somebody with a 4 lug thread and trying to diss my 5 lugs lol. How am I sadly mistaken?? It happened already dude. Z32's are pigs period. You need over 450-500 to do anything with them. I noticed you cut out the other part of my comment.

Stock Sr's running 15psi on a T25 walked away from a 300TT on 19psi lol.

I don't need to go over to the Z32 forum because it already happened. Maybe one day you'll actually have a quick car and understand. Go back to your 4 lug thread.

[StricNyne]

i always was a fan of z32, untill FnF ruined car market, i am not paying 10k for a TT 90. good car, though extremely hard to work on, i did not know how bad it was till i worked on a NA one, and you figure that it dont have half of parts the turbo would of had. Personally i wouldnt mind a TT Z, of course not over my S14 but i think its an awesome car, idk if i would trade it for a s13 though. Do you have T Tops ? and is it in good shape ? if you just want speed, why not just run the bottle with a wet kit ?

[simmode1]

What I'm saying is because you saw that particular situation doesn't mean it'll happen all the time. I, too, have seen N/A Z32 pushing SR'd 240's around on roadcourses.

The VG30DETT is beastly. I see no reason to have any other engine in a Z32.

[deiivo]

yes my 300zx is t-tops shape well more or less good jeje but im figure out that z32 are reaaallyyy heavy at least for n/a power 222 hp on a 3,100 lbs car and is a dragon drinking fuel jeje now gasoline is gettin more expensive so i star researching 240sx s13 and so far i found that stock engine ka24de can be boost and make good hp whitout spending alot and 240sx are pretty light are pretty rwd soo that why i was thinking on selling my Z i love the Z is damm sexy and ladys like it but n/a Z gasaholic lool and expensive to make them fast :/

[simmode1]

OP, go to the Z32 board and talk to ArticDragon192. He'll set you straight on N/A Z32's...

[deiivo]

artic dragon 192 ok thanks

[Lobo240sx]

What I'm saying is because you saw that particular situation doesn't mean it'll happen all the time. I, too, have seen N/A Z32 pushing SR'd 240's around on roadcourses.

The VG30DETT is beastly. I see no reason to have any other engine in a Z32.

You are right it won't happen all the time. 300zTT guys were talking trash and got owned all 3 of them by T25 stock Sr's lol. It was a fun night and they got put in their place big time. A road course is a whole other ball game. It isn't always the car, it's the driver that makes a world of difference.

You build a VG30DETT the right way, it will move.

[simmode1]

You build a VG30DETT the right way, it will move.

Yeah, all I' trying to say is the Z32's potential gets overlooked alot. I'm fans of both cars and others as well, so I just try to put things in their proper perspective.

Personally, If I ALREADY had a Z32... I wouldn't be so quick to downgrade to an S13. Hell, the fact that you already have 5 lug and Z32 brakes is argument enough. Hell, they can fit 265/35/18's up front under stock fenders!

All you really need to do is refine your drivetrain to reduce drivetrain loss and reduce your curb weight and de-clutter that engine bay. Then slam that ho on some Powertrix coilovers with 18x10.5 wheels all around. Done.

[240sxAli4Life]

but still more economical than the Z right?? i think

Yes as long as you dont drop a 6 cyl. into the 240!!

[240sxAli4Life]

The 300zx is a beautiful car, but you need some power like 500+hp to get that heavy pig moving. The 240 will be better in the power to weight category.

Someone is sadly mistaken. I double dog dare you to go say that in the Z32 General board...

hahaha lol i was thinking the same thing! The z32 is a great power to weight ratio car, and is alot lighter than you think! Theres no way you need 500hp to get a z32 300zx up and going! Got a buddy with a 1990 slicktop Z32 TT! Is got 380whp and its a MONSTER!!!!!

[240sxAli4Life]

What I'm saying is because you saw that particular situation doesn't mean it'll happen all the time. I, too, have seen N/A Z32 pushing SR'd 240's around on roadcourses.

The VG30DETT is beastly. I see no reason to have any other engine in a Z32.

Ok, but that would be the VG30DE, not the TT! IF you said it was N/A^^^^

[fiznowler]

LOL this is why I am putting the vg30dett into my s14. Less weight more power. The vg is a beast motor with minor mods. It is stock 300hp. Light mods will push 400 pretty easy. That is a pretty expensive build on an SR or KA to keep it reliable at that level. I already have the Z and my 240s motor is pulled. I am not looking forward to shoe-horning it into the chassis but the end result should be pretty damn sick.

[240sxAli4Life]

You build a VG30DETT the right way, it will move.

Yeah, all I' trying to say is the Z32's potential gets overlooked alot. I'm fans of both cars and others as well, so I just try to put things in their proper perspective.

Personally, If I ALREADY had a Z32... I wouldn't be so quick to downgrade to an S13. Hell, the fact that you already have 5 lug and Z32 brakes is argument enough. Hell, they can fit 265/35/18's up front under stock fenders!

All you really need to do is refine your drivetrain to reduce drivetrain loss and reduce your curb weight and de-clutter that engine bay. Then slam that ho on some Powertrix coilovers with 18x10.5 wheels all around. Done.

HOLY f***!! 18x10.5s ALL AROUND????? NO!!! You want it to move??? Do staggered 18x9s or 9.5s in the rear and 18x8s or 8.5s in the front!!

[White Comet]

I'm with SImmode on this. I used to call the z32 a pig but never to the extent of saying they need 500hp, thats just flat wrong. heck even with the na motor the z32 is very solid. not a powerhouse (blows the 240sx of the water though), but it's got a nice weight to it. enough so that it feels very solid through cornering and spirited driving, very planted. i find it kinda hard to believe a stock turbo'd sr would embarrass a vg30dett. with 15psi i'd guess like 250hp to the wheels assuming the other mods are bolt ons. Not saying its impossible, just doesn't sounds likely

[simmode1]

I was at work earlier, so I couldn't just post everything I wanted to in this thread... But now I'm home so here it comes!!!!

HOLY f***!! 18x10.5s ALL AROUND????? NO!!! You want it to move??? Do staggered 18x9s or 9.5s in the rear and 18x8s or 8.5s in the front!!

Nope. I meant what I said. Phuck that lame fitment. Z32's hate stagger.

Here's 18x10.5+15 with 255/35's all around.


And here's ArticDragon192 with 18x10.5+18 with 285/30's all around...


Need proof that Z32's can move with that much wheel & tire? Here's ArcticDragon again on Button Willow running with a buddy's s13 that has an SR and bolt ons.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX0VN_KW ... re=related[/youtube]
I love how the S13 pulls on the N/A Z in the straights, but the "heavy pig" chases him down and out-corners him for alot of the video. Aside from the difference in driver's skill, I think the Z's wider tract and wider tires had alot to do with that.

You don't need a ton of power to have fun. Just good maintenance and well thought out mods. He was only making about 178hp in that video, I believe. Now he's making 208whp with a VG30DE with 225k miles on it...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PecuME4i ... r_embedded[/youtube]

[simmode1]

Sometimes I look at the Z32 guys with envy. They already have 5 lug. They already have big brakes. They're already wide enough, they don't need any widebody kits. And the VG30DETT is a piece of symmetrical beauty with its dual thottle bodies, dual turbos and dual intercoolers. Hell, their direct competitors were the MKIV Supra and the C4 Corvette. Thats a whole different class of sports car from the S-chassis in terms of refinement and build quality.

Sometimes, us S-chassis guys like to throw names around to make ourselves feel better about our cars and call the Z32 fat or heavy. But realistically, It's not that heavy by todays sports car standards. At least if you have a paid off Z32, you don't have to worry about violating your warranty when you put it on a weight loss plan...

If I had a Z32 that looked like this under the hood, I would not give a good goddamn about a damn S13... lol


Decluttering that engine bay goes a loooong way for the Z32's likeability...

Oh and here's another reason I have Z32 envy. The TT is capable of over 500hp with stock internals. You don't need to do forged internals and other crazy sh*t to "Build" the motor to "make enough power to get it moving".
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hORu2FzEnI[/youtube]
This kind of power is achieved mostly with upgrades to support better airflow like better manifolds, intercooler piping and S15 turbos, etc etc etc...

[Ace2cool]

From a fuel economy standpoint, the cars are not that different. Z is rated for premium fuel at 22mpg highway, the S13 is rated for premium fuel at 26 highway. That's not a very extreme increase, especially when I normally see the 22mpg in mixed driving conditions on my N/A 2+2, and closer to 24-25 highway, and that's just with basic intake and exhaust, with ~50lbs extra stereo equipment in the back.

Another thing to look at when trying to decide which car you want is reliability. Good luck with finding a nice unmolested S13 in Puerto Rico. I'm honestly surprised that the Z32 you found is in as good of condition that it is. I'd be willing to bet that any S13/S14 you find will have been owned by a drifter fanboi and beat on the majority of its life, simply judging by where you live.

I say keep the Z you have, give it some love, and eventually upgrade when the time is right. I have a feeling you'll be disappointed if you swap over to a stock or mildly upgraded S13 or S14. I drove my friend's race-prepped high compression KA S13 with full cage, lightweight everything, coils, ect, and I have to admit that I was kinda disappointed in it, even compared to my A/T 2+2 N/A mostly stock Z32.

Either that, OR! you could start saving up money, make the Z your daily, as it is great for a DD (been DD'ing mine for ~5 years now), and when you come across something that sparks your interest and you see as a good purchase, go and get it!

And simmode, I appreciate the Z32 respect, brotha! You know I respect the S chassis! (hell, I wanted one for the longest time, haha)

[Ace2cool]

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HOLY f***!! 18x10.5s ALL AROUND????? NO!!! You want it to move??? Do staggered 18x9s or 9.5s in the rear and 18x8s or 8.5s in the front!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF4IN7-t_dg[/youtube]

Also Edgar (Articdragon192)



Also,



18x11 wrapped in 285's out back. 18x10 with 255's out front. Profile:
http://www.rimtuck.com/setup.php?id=805

Not very many mods to pull this stance off. Pretty basic fitment mods, actually. He just has more balls than most Z32 owners.

[Lobo240sx]

Sometimes I look at the Z32 guys with envy. They already have 5 lug. They already have big brakes. They're already wide enough, they don't need any widebody kits.

Sometimes, us S-chassis guys like to throw names around to make ourselves feel better about our cars and call the Z32 fat or heavy. But realistically, It's not that heavy by todays sports car standards. At least if you have a paid off Z32, you don't have to worry about violating your warranty when you put it on a weight loss plan...

Oh and here's another reason I have Z32 envy. The TT is capable of over 500hp with stock internals. You don't need to do forged internals and other crazy sh*t to "Build" the motor to "make enough power to get it moving".
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hORu2FzEnI[/youtube]
This kind of power is achieved mostly with upgrades to support better airflow like better manifolds, intercooler piping and S15 turbos, etc etc etc...

I didn't say the Z32 couldn't make any power, I said its still a pig (3200-3400lbs?) . Comparing a straight 6 and 4 cylinder is not where I was going with that. You want to build it right and last at 500-600hp. Don't even try to sugar coat it. 208whp for a straight 6 N/A is weak. My moms BONE STOCK Maxima put down 195whp and it is FWD. WEAK!!

Comparing cars you don't have is rice boy talk. You don't own a Sr or 300ZTT. You tube video of other people's rides don't impress me dude. Where is YOUR CAR!!

[OutToWinPAHC]

Are we done yet?

[simmode1]

Are we done yet?

Oh is that my queue?

Lobo, it is possible to have a discussion without stooping to irrelevant personal attacks. If you don't see the value in being able to compare car's specs, then thats your loss.

208whp for a straight 6 N/A is weak. My moms BONE STOCK Maxima put down 195whp and it is FWD. WEAK!!

The VG30DE is a V6, not straight 6. 208whp from a 3.0L V6 that was designed in back in the 80's actually is impressive. Find me another V6 of that vintage making more.

Your mom's bone stock Maxima made 195whp? Cool bro. Depending on the year, they're probably the same engine. WTF is your point? Nevermind. I don't really care WTF your point is.

Here's my point. I love both cars (and others). Both have their pro's and con's and I think the OP shouldn't be so quick to hop on the bandwagon when there ain't a damn thing wrong with his car. But ultimately it's your life, OP. Do what ever you wanna do.

Oh and I really couldn't give two flying fvcks about your SR, Lobo. Now I'm done.

[Ace2cool]

Comparing cars you don't have is rice boy talk. You don't own a Sr or 300ZTT. You tube video of other people's rides don't impress me dude. Where is YOUR CAR!!

You want me to go get Edgar? I'll bring him in here. I have a Z32TT and a 2+2 N/A. I've driven KA's (SOHC & DOHC), KA-T's, and SR's for extended periods of time. Do I now hold credibility in your eyes?

I like how you're picking a fight with simmode over this because of the simple fact that "If you don't have this, you can't possibly know anything about it!" Dude knows his stuff. He doesn't just talk out of his a$$ like some people. (He at least knows enough to substantiate that the VG30DE(TT) is a V series engine.)

Enough of this now. I didn't come here to pick fights. deiivo, stick with your Z until you come across a really good deal that you feel like you can't pass up. Until then, if you're dead-set on getting rid of it, just perform basic maintenance. No sense on spending money modifying a car you want to get rid of, you know?

[White Comet]

hahaha how would you know how much your mom's maxima does at the wheels, unless you dynoed it, and who in their right mind would waste money dynoing a maxima?

[fiznowler]

LOL at cocky know it all not knowing that the VG is a V6.