Sell the Mustang GT and get a G37x Sedan...hmmmm?

[4wheelkillr]

Hello All,My first post here....I've been kinda lurking around here for a while just checking things out.I've been interested in the G35x Sedan for a year or so now, and since the G37x is more available and cheaper (given the economy downturn) it seems like now's the time to buy...seems that I could pick up a G37x sedan with premium package for around $35,000.

I frequent a bunch of the mustang forums for my current car, and they even had a discusion about the G37 about a year or so ago. The link is below if anyone cares to see what they say. You may be surprised about how much die-hard mustang fanatics support the G-cars on a mustang forum...I was! The EVIL letters B-M-W come up a few times as a comparison car for the infiniti but we won't go there:

http://mustangforums.com/forum....html

I test drove the G35x just before the G37x release. I live in Denver so I do need the 'x' model, and need the sedan with the new baby arrival. In this city pretty much the ONLY G's available without AWD are the coupes.

So obviously an INFINITI forum would be the best place to be convinced of selling the mustang for the G37x Sedan....so convince me!!

I have the '05 Mustang GT with about $4,000 in mods right now. My best 1/4 is [email protected] mph with a 2.091 60 ft'. This is on STOCK tires and wheels. Our track in denver is also at about 6500' I think and the density altitude is rarely below 8000', so all things considered these times are pretty good. Quite honestly I've never seen a stock G-car run anything less than very high 14s here, but quite honestly haven't paid super close attention given my previous mustang-only devotion.

So, back to the G...I really LOVE the new G37x. 7-speed auto, 328bhp, (although 269 ft-lbs torque is a little disappointing at these power levels). It goes without saying that this is a refined automobile...inside and out! The interior, in its entirety puts my mustang to shame. The AWD will be awesome on those snowy days, although in all honesty there's only been TWO days since I've had my GT when it literally would "go no further" on icy roads. The trunk is about the same size which is another disappointment for a luxury sedan.

So to you experts out there:-Why the G37x? -What type of mods do you do easily and cheaply to bring this car alive? (I have seen a bunch of threads about grounding-kits and I'm pretty skeptical about that. Much like a "throttle-body spacer" it sounds like a marketing gimmick that a lot of folks have been taken on. I mean seriously, is the wiring done by Nissan/Infiniti so sub-standard that it requires a grounding kit to clean it up? But I digress...)-What about Cold-air kits? Is tuning required after install? I have a CAI on my Mustang and it REQUIRES a re-tune, without it you throw a check engine light almost immediately upon starting up the car. But I haven't seen much mention of this being the case on the G-cars.-What about suspension? The cars seem to track pretty well to begin with but always room for improvement...springs? control arms? sway bars?-What about torque converters? -Suspenion and chasis bracing? -Cost for parts and maintenance? (although I do all my own mechanical work except the biggest stuff like engine/transmission rebuilds)

The bottom line I guess is that I've looked at several other "upgrade cars" including the Lexus IS350, BMW 335xi, and Audi A4. I must admit that I do like the BMW but at $10,000 MORE....I dont like it THAT much!! And the comparably priced 328xi is just a country bumpkin when it comes to performance over the G-sedan.

The IS350 is the closest competitor I think, but I'm still in love with the G37x; it's G37x or NOTHING!! It's a great car, but it has it's downsides over the mustang: it's slower in all aspects including handling, it's $35,000 and mine brand new was $25,000 (although now the new ones are going for low $30's).

So sorry for the short-shakespearean story here, obviously it's near and dear!!Decisions, decisions, decisions...

Thanks all!

[pfarmer]

Hello All,My first post here....I've been kinda lurking around here for a while just checking things out.I've been interested in the G35x Sedan for a year or so now, and since the G37x is more available and cheaper (given the economy downturn) it seems like now's the time to buy...seems that I could pick up a G37x sedan with premium package for around $35,000.

So to you experts out there:-Why the G37x? -What type of mods do you do easily and cheaply to bring this car alive? (I have seen a bunch of threads about grounding-kits and I'm pretty skeptical about that. Much like a "throttle-body spacer" it sounds like a marketing gimmick that a lot of folks have been taken on. I mean seriously, is the wiring done by Nissan/Infiniti so sub-standard that it requires a grounding kit to clean it up? But I digress...)-What about Cold-air kits? Is tuning required after install? I have a CAI on my Mustang and it REQUIRES a re-tune, without it you throw a check engine light almost immediately upon starting up the car. But I haven't seen much mention of this being the case on the G-cars.-What about suspension? The cars seem to track pretty well to begin with but always room for improvement...springs? control arms? sway bars?-What about torque converters? -Suspenion and chasis bracing? -Cost for parts and maintenance? (although I do all my own mechanical work except the biggest stuff like engine/transmission rebuilds)

I own a 2008 XS with tech package which came from Colorado.

As far as the need for further grounding I have measured everywhere on my 'G' and no. With many kits there is also the issue of bypassing the negative battery lead which has a current sensor which is part of the charging circuit.

Cold air intakes work. It is a matter of what one expects and where one expects it in the way of performance improvements. Most seem to give improvements but in some cases in rpm areas that actually have a decrease in the areas most users drive in. Most are purchased for the noise.

As far as bracing I would only do so if I was tracking it. I would not lower it since it is an 'X' and I found mine to actually become a plow many times this last year. This actually is a good statement since it meant with the stock tires I was getting around every day. The tires could be better but I never had any real issues with stock. As far as other suspension mods I think it comes down to what type of driving you are planning. I find mine to actually be right on the edge of stiff for freeway driving but a little more roll in the corners (not bad at all) with spirited drving in the mountains. You do have a baby in the car from the sounds of it on many occasions. Whatever you get I would make sure it is fully adjustable for your purposes.

Maintenance is somewhat expensive from Infiniti but a lot cheaper from Nissan. Many claim theirs are very reliable, mine has had electrical issues which has kept it out of my hands for extended times due to issues with starting. After IPDM, brake switches, BCM, etc. replacements it has been ok for the last 2 months or so. It did fail twice right after coming back from the dealer but since then has started.

Keep in mind that you are speaking of a car around 3800 pounds or so to start with so I doubt you will really get the numbers you get from a similar equiped Mustang (investment wise) but with an open pocket book it will in fact be competitive.

Perry

GOAT INC.

[oldandslow]

Been there,done that!I gave away My 06 GT, and bought an 08G35S.Ive never been happier.Yes,the GT was faster,but not by much.The GT has a lot of driveability issues due to poor drive by wire throttle response,and transmission shifting slugishness.Yes ,I tuned some of those issues out with a SCT handheld tuner,but they were still there.The G has excellent driveability,and instant throttle and shifting response.It even learns Your driving style and reacts accordingly.I find the G to be a lot faster in every day situations.The G is far more nimble and responsive in traffic.While the GT was thinking about what to do when You stepped on the gas,the G has allready reacted and waiting for it's next command.The G will out handle the mustang,and not ride like a buckboard.The G has a real backseat,the GT has a tiny dark useless cave.The G has a drivers seat that has a multitude of adjustments.The G comes with a lot more tech toys if You want them.My G35S came with bigger brakes,stiffer suspension,high bolster seats,and a bunch of ways to shift ,including paddles on the steering wheel.

[4wheelkillr]

Oldandslow? doesn't sound like that's the case with the cars you drive.The stock mustangs do have some drive-by-wire issues. When I got my CAI, I had it dyno-tuned and the throttle response is now immediate. A lot of the driveability issues like over-rich a/f ratio, throttle response, and rev and speed limiters have all been taken care of with the tune.

I guess it's just the refinement I don't have. I don't have heated seats, the quiet cabin, telescoping steering wheel and FOUR doors!

[zozoka1212]

The G can beat your best 1/4 mile run stock. Get 4 door and all season driving. You'll start enjoying the winter once you sit in the G37x.

Believe me.

[joe603]

I sold my 97 Firebird Formula for my 05 G coupe. It doesn't have the initial torque that the LT1 had, but it will run circles around it on a track that has curves.

The G37 will be a huge upgrade! Do eet!

[Poyzinous]

We have a couple mustang guys here. I love the GT, but if you need AWD, the G37x is lots of fun. The G is surprisingly quick. I'm pretty sure it will never fall behind a GT.Either way, if it fits your needs, there is your answer as to whether or not to purchase one.

[4wheelkillr]

The G can beat your best 1/4 mile run stock. Get 4 door and all season driving. You'll start enjoying the winter once you sit in the G37x.

Believe me.

Thanks for the input guys. I knew of course the G-site would provide wide support for the G over the mustang, so that's why I posted!

Obviously winter is the main concern, there's no comparison between AWD and RWD with even the best traction control. But I'm still a power guy. In denver there's only 10-15 days a year when AWD is really REALLY needed. The other 350 days are Mustang territory!

The G is not as fast as their driver's think. A stock G37x sedan won't beat a stock GT mustang in the 1/4 mile, 0-60, or on the skidpad, nope not even in the twistys. If the G37 was faster than the mustang gt then I'd say there'd be no need for this thread at all...it'd be a hands down winner!I'm not making it up...here's data on both cars from caranddriver.com:

Mustang GT0-60: 4.9s70-0: 162ft1/4: 13.7@104skidpad: .92g'sweight: 3580

G37 Sedan (not an X)- (the X is heavier and slower in all aspects)0-60: 5.2s70-0: 160 ft1/4: 13.8skidpad: .89g'sweight: 3703*with the exception of two feet quicker in the braking test, the G loses in every other category...even handling.

Motortrend: I did find a 2009 G37xS (even the S model is slower)0-60: 5.4s1/4: 13.9skidpad: .85g'sweight: 3869

The G37 coupe may give the mustang a run for it's money, but not the sedan. I was even surprised myself to see the mustang outperformed the G on the skidpad, which translates into handling of course which I think people ALWAYS seem to think the infiniti would have done better.

Sorry to burst your bubble fellas...but the G sedans are NOT faster than Mustang GT's....

but again..that is NOT what this thread is about...it's about turning a die-hard mustang driver into an AWD G-sedan driver!!!

TRUST ME...if this wasn't a HUGE area of MENTAL CONFLICT for me I would not be writing all this stuff!!

Maybe I'll just do a G37x Sedan testdrive and flip a coin...it's THAT CLOSE!

[Tampa G35 Sedan 6MT]

I don't know what s***stang your driving but All the 05 and 06's in my area that are 6mt and GT's are when I race them... (at the track of course)

I don't care what numbers you generate.... A G will def outperform a GT on a track with curves Always and forever with no questions asked.....

They are two different cars... but the Stang with a live axle is what really slows it down in the twisties!

Now don't get me wrong... the only place that the GT wins is the Noise it makes...

DJ

[oldandslow]

Oldandslow? doesn't sound like that's the case with the cars you drive.

Yea ,I love speed......Thats why I drive a G The mustang is quicker 0-60,and in the 1/4 definately,but no way does it stop better or pull more G's on the skidpad.Me speaky from experience,Ive owned and driven both.Magazine articles have too many variables ,and Im sure if You search,You might find one that says a 58 ford is quicker than a G35

[zozoka1212]

Are we paper racing again? LOL

Anyways you posted this is your best 1/4 run on your GT.

My best 1/4 is [email protected]

Than you posted this.

Motortrend: I did find a 2009 G37xS (even the S model is slower)0-60: 5.4s1/4: 13.9skidpad: .85g's

13.9 is better than 13.96.

Am I missing something? Not unusuall to get 13.6-13.7 bone stock from the X. If you don't need the AWD than don't buy it. You said first you need it than you say there is only 15-16 days you need it.

We are not here to convince you to buy a G. You should testdrive one and if you like it buy it if you don't like it than buy something else or stay with the GT.

Maybe the Ford Taurus would be a better option for you.

[oldandslow]

I just did some horsepower math for [email protected] =65.2 hp/[email protected] =88.6 hp/[email protected] =87.4 hp/LIf ford tuned the 4.6 to the same level as nissan does the 3.7, the mustang would have 407 hp, or 402 hp if compared to the 3.5 tune.Our little V6 is keeping up with the big boy V8's

[4wheelkillr]

Are we paper racing again? LOL

13.9 is better than 13.96.Am I missing something?

Maybe the Ford Taurus would be a better option for you.

Ford Taurus? That stings! That's like saying you should be driving a Nissan Sentra.

The skid pad #s are from the SAME magazine..I don't have the ability to test skidpad numbers on my own...car and driver says .92g for the mustang and .85 for the G37xS...that tells me the GT performs better in the twisites.

And yes you're missing a BIG point about the 1/4 numbers. That same paragraph also clarifies that I'm racing in DENVER where the DA (density altitude) at Bandimere is usually over 8,000 feet. That's why I said most G's I've seen at my track at 8000' feet of DA barely break into the 14's.

Well thanks for all your input, but next time you're in Denver around 5500-6000' feet above sea level, let's see that 6MT perform baby!!

I can't afford to paper race! On paper the G is hands down the better car!

Like I said before, I just wanted to see what you Infiniti folks would say when you're compared to the Mustang; it's not a pretty site I know....but that's why I asked!

[4wheelkillr]

I just did some horsepower math for [email protected] =65.2 hp/[email protected] =88.6 hp/[email protected] =87.4 hp/LIf ford tuned the 4.6 to the same level as nissan does the 3.7, the mustang would have 407 hp, or 402 hp if compared to the 3.5 tune.Our little V6 is keeping up with the big boy V8's

Now THAT is a very good point. So much can be said for tuning. The G engine is clearly a more highly tuned performer. But then why is the G still slower? Weight? Gearing? Drivetrain? Bad drivers?....the world may never know.

[pfarmer]

Now THAT is a very good point. So much can be said for tuning. The G engine is clearly a more highly tuned performer. But then why is the G still slower? Weight? Gearing? Drivetrain? Bad drivers?....the world may never know.

Mass.

The fact is that the Mustang at similar pricing levels outperforms many others as well, live axle or no live axle.

To me however it is more then just the numbers, it is about the experience. I have driven many which will easily out accelerate the 'G'. I have driven many which will easily beat the 'G' laterally. However I don't think I have driven many that will beat it in all departments at the price point. One of these departments is how it feels.

Perry

[zozoka1212]

Ford Taurus? That stings! That's like saying you should be driving a Nissan Sentra.

What's wrong with the Sentra? They are nice cars. I have no problem to drive that. It just takes longer to get from A to B. LOL

I was talking about the new Taurus SHO. It would be better since it will be turbo and in that DA the turbos should do better. Just an idea. In that case you can stay with Ford. You should really go out and testdrive and read what's comming out. You might find something even better. I think even the G8 would be nice.

[pfarmer]

What's wrong with the Sentra? They are nice cars. I have no problem to drive that. It just takes longer to get from A to B. LOL

I was talking about the new Taurus SHO. It would be better since it will be turbo and in that DA the turbos should do better. Just an idea. In that case you can stay with Ford. You should really go out and testdrive and read what's comming out. You might find something even better. I think even the G8 would be nice.

I have read that there may actually be an SHO killer in the form of a Lincoln which addresses some of the concerns such as weight. To me it is really isn't how the SHO compares to the 'G' so much as how does it compare to something like the 'M'.

Perry

[zozoka1212]

I have read that there may actually be an SHO killer in the form of a Lincoln which addresses some of the concerns such as weight. To me it is really isn't how the SHO compares to the 'G' so much as how does it compare to something like the 'M'.

Perry

Can't agree more. I just thought I bring that car up since not much worse to compare to it than comparing the G against the Mustang GT. They are both for diferent purpose.

Also agree with your other post . G is so ballanced out on everything overall. Handling,speed, tech gadgets, comfort, sexiness and ownership experience. Would be hard to find another car what brings all these together with such an appealing price.

It is not hard to get a fast car. It is hard to get everything with it for an affordable price.

[Poyzinous]

You also want to look at road and track doing the GT at 5.3 0-60 and 13.8 1/4 mile. Car and Driver likes to put numbers without rollout so you can take off 2 ticks.The truth is, when you weigh in variances, the GT and the RWD G37 are more than likely neck and neck to 60, and 100mph. However, from 100 to 155, the G will crush the GT, because the GT runs out of pull at 130mph in 4th gear. Also, the other reason the GT can be fast with less hp is torque. The V8 has lots of torque naturally. Also, there is the 200lbs extra the G has. Its a 4 door luxury sedan. The GT, although nice, isn't anything luxurious or premium.

[zozoka1212]

Yeap and at the end both of them around 5 second cars. Nothing really fast. You can get 5 second cars nowdays from every car makers for a lot less. Some needs 2.5 engine some needs 3.5 some needs 4.6 or more.

[SVTCOBRA]

Sell the Mustang GT and get a G37x Sedan...hmmmm? (4wheelkillr)

YES and NO

YES, Sell the Mustang GT and get a SVT COBRA!!!! (1997 or 1998 model preferrably BLACK)

AND NO do not get a G, instead get a used Exploder or Pathy 4x4 for those snowy conditions.

WITH the extra $$$ drop the COBRA and add a Vortech!!

Any $$$ left over add 3.73 and a 6 speed!!!

[4wheelkillr]

I was talking about the new Taurus SHO. . .

Ok so you all are gonna love this...i'm not making this up...here's the link to prove it:

http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...51726

(time for another paper race!)Edmunds did a comparison test...'10 Ford Taurus SHO vs '09 G37 Journey.I think we can ALL AGREE (just this once) that when compared to a Ford Tortoise...that there's just NO COMPARISON....at this price level there is NO QUESTION anyone, including myself would jump all over the infiniti...

here's some of the highlights:Price : (as equipped in the test)Tortoise SHO: $45,475.G37 : $42,185 This should end the debate right here...but NO...it get's better!

0-60:G37: 5.6sSHO: 5.8s

60-0G37: 110ftSHO: 127ft

1/4:G37: [email protected]: [email protected]

Skidpad:G37: .86gSHO: .80 g

Who in their right mind would by a Ford Taurus over a G-car!Unless you're a UAE worker with a 50% discount....the answer is NO ONE!

[4wheelkillr]

YES and NO

YES, Sell the Mustang GT and get a SVT COBRA!!!! (1997 or 1998 model preferrably BLACK)

AND NO do not get a G, instead get a used Exploder or Pathy 4x4 for those snowy conditions.

WITH the extra $$$ drop the COBRA and add a Vortech!!

Any $$$ left over add 3.73 and a 6 speed!!!

Another Mustang person on the G-Forums...no way. Watch out for all the rocks getting thrown your way!!

I'd forego the '97 or '98 SVT in favor of the '03 or '04 Terminator Cobras.Those things are BADA$$!!

With complete forged rotating assembly and iron block along with 4-valve heads they're good to over 700hp right outta the box!With little more than a ported blower and a few simple bolt-ons I've personally seen Terminator cobras put down over 550rwhp. That car is NO JOKE.

(but to the releief of you G-people it is NOT offered in AWD)

[SVTCOBRA]

I'd forego the '97 or '98 SVT in favor of the '03 or '04 Terminator Cobras.Those things are BADA$$!!

I've driven several and do not care for them right out of the box....Also, don't care for the look. Like the earlier body style, but everybody has their preferences!!

And, you won't get too many rocks thrown at you here.

[Poyzinous]

And, you won't get too many rocks thrown at you here.

+1 on that.We're G35 guys. Not BMW guys. And Hond@ guys don't throw rocks. They throw rice.

[oldandslow]

Another Mustang person on the G-Forums...no way. Watch out for all the rocks getting thrown your way!!

I'd forego the '97 or '98 SVT in favor of the '03 or '04 Terminator Cobras.Those things are BADA$$!!

I had the Cobra tuned to 437hp,but I still prefer the G

[zozoka1212]

Another Mustang person on the G-Forums...no way. Watch out for all the rocks getting thrown your way!!

If you think we hate mustangs or Ford you've mistaken. I just don't see this going any good. You are not going to buy a G so don't see the point of continue this thread.

[4wheelkillr]

If you think we hate mustangs or Ford you've mistaken. I just don't see this going any good. You are not going to buy a G so don't see the point of continue this thread.

The rock throwing was a joke...get it? ha ha. I never said anyone here hated ford.

If you don't like the thread have a mod delete it or don't read it!

[kmckis1029]

two completely different cars... not even in the same class... cheap mass produced speed vs. luxury sports car. A g35x or g37x are HUGE upgrades from a dime a dozen mustang GT. the interior of a mustang and a g35/7x cant compare, not even if you talking a gt500 or KR which cost like $15k more than g35/7. coming from a mustang to g35/7 is a completely different driving experience... raw power to refined power... apples and oranges... lets compare cars that serve the same purpose...these two cars do not.

to answer your question, i wouldnt sell your mustang for a g37x. it seems to me that you love that car. i would sell a different car or just wait til you can buy the g37x with out selling your mustang

(i dont know if its the drivers, but i have yet to be beat by a mustang gt )

[SVTCOBRA]

If you don't like the thread have a mod delete it or don't read it!

No I like this thread!!! It makes me think about another Cobra!

Hey, your thread, so how about POSTING SOME PICS OF YOUR GT!!!

If you do, I'll post some pics of the Stangs I've owned!!