Self Contained Turbo Oil System For Remote Mount

[Edub1]

Those of you who have seen remote mount turbos have seen how they use a pump to return the oil to the oil pan. This got me thinking.

Is there any reason we couldn't just run the oil into a seperate tank with a pump pumping in and one pumping out? I figure a quart or two ought to be enough and an oil cooler could be used if needed.

In cases where the turbo must be remote mounted it sure seems like it would make things a hell of a lot easier.

[240FeVeR]

Those of you who have seen remote mount turbos have seen how they use a pump to return the oil to the oil pan. This got me thinking.

Is there any reason we couldn't just run the oil into a seperate tank with a pump pumping in and one pumping out? I figure a quart or two ought to be enough and an oil cooler could be used if needed.

In cases where the turbo must be remote mounted it sure seems like it would make things a hell of a lot easier.

Speaking in terms of remote mounted turbo's I'm sure you could rig some sort of tank with pumps to and from the turbo and not use the engine oil at all. If you use one pump to move the oil FROM the turbo to a container, perhaps that same pump alone could pressurize the container enough to send oil to a supply line to the turbo (to avoid using two pumps).

I dunno why someone would want to do a remote mount turbo on a KA. There's ample amounts of (affordable) parts available that this shouldn't even be an considered route.

[spooled240]

i think the separate oiling system for a remote mounted turbo would work perfect. Only thing I can think of is that with the small oil capacity, the oil might get too hot, but then again an oil cooler would override that. This sounds like a great idea, plumping an oil drain for this kind of setup must be pretty hard.

...The only adantage for a remote mount turbo in my mind would be a possibility to pass visual for a smog check. Maybe some better weight distribution and the "sleeper" status. Lag would be pretty bad i would imagine.

[Zippy69]

This is a great idea. An old a/c condenser(cleaned of course), and a small pump with a small tank and you would be in business.I'm gonna do some checking on pumps and stuff.

[WDRacing]

The standalone oil system would work well even for a standard turbo setup. Big oil cooler and a few quarts of very think oil would be sweet. You could even research the best lube to use, since you now have your choice.

[neverlift]

pretty sure its already been done in the chevy world...

I tried to talk my freind into doing a huge rear mount in the bed of his truck(to keep lag down) with seperate oiling system , it was meant to cut down cost and have less hoses/piping. well he is a broke dude and its out of his range, then one day he calls askign how to do it with a t25 from a dsm I explained it again and he has a turbo and no other parts he wants it on a 4.3 vortec too

[WDRacing]

You can buy a complete setup for like $900. I found them a few years back when I was looking to get into the turbo kit market. I can't seem to find a link right now though.

My idea was to use a Mocal diff lube pump, a big oli cooler and 3 quarts of oil. I was going to try diff fluid itself actually.

[Edub1]

Sweet then, the reason I ask is because I'm thinking LS1-T with a remote turbo. I don't think the system would require a whole lot of oil and the tank itself would also cool the oil.

I'm just thinking a 2q aluminum cylinder with a dip tube, fill plug and a couple of welded fittings, some ss line, a pump (or two) and a cheap oil cooler. The can could be made from an aluminum coolant catch can even.

[eazye2000]

I thought I would never say this... But I think you guys just gave me wood..

There is hope! A Monster Single turbo charged V-8... Oh gawd, I need a minute.....................

Ok, so when I get around to tearing my S14 apart, I will look for a place to put all this stuff. And WD, you are you hero. I don't care what S13FX says about you..

[WDRacing]

I don't care what S13FX says about you..

Mike hasn't been himself since he got engaged last month....lol.

[Edub1]

I'm thinking that the cooler and can would go in the engine bay or somewhere where they could not be damaged. With the can above the turbo gravity would do much of the work assisted by the pressure of the pump that pumps up to the can.

I would feel much more comfortible with this system than the ss because tapping the engine oil system and trying to make a pump coordinate with it just scares me.

Anybody know how much oil delivery the turbo needs? Also, a way to avoid pump failure would be good.

[S13FX]

Mike hasn't been himself since he got engaged last month....lol.

Thats it Im bringing the biggest shampoo bottle ever for you Brian. Im not sure what engagement your talking about though. Your sister said no remember :-p

And Il talk more about self contained oil systems tomorrow Im completly wasted today.

But I researched the whole thing at one point of time. On remote mount turbos it's a lot easier to do and there is a lot more benefit to it too with oil cooling.

On a normal setup there reall is no real advantage over the old style. If anything there is a lot more work involved with making switches for Turbo timers, having it turn on and off with the engine and stuff like that.

[spooled240]

^damn you type/spell really well for being wasted lol

Where exactly are you thinking about mounting the turbo? If in the trunk, you could just mount the oil cooler under the sheet metal for the trunk. Properly mounted, you probably would only need to drill two holes for oil in/out and shouldn't get damaged. Even air flow should suffice

[Edub1]

There is some space under a 240 with the exhaust resonator out. It might fit there.

[WDRacing]

I'd mount the pump and reservoir in the trunk...only the cooler being exposed under the car.

[spooled240]

^exactly what I had in mind..man my dad has this bitchin oil "Earl's" oil cooler with anodized swivel fittings from when he had his old import car shop, man I would use that on my car..it's probably a little over a foot wide and really low profile like less than 4 inches maybe..would probably be perfect for you application.

[Florida240sx]

As soon as I find another stocker engine I'll be doing a remote mount setup. Which case it'd only cost me another 600 to make it self contained... Just got back to FL time to turn some wrenches

[WDRacing]

If you're on a budget you can use 6" or 8" PVC with end caps as the resovoir. Then you can drill and tap for the fittings. So you'll be able to use any fitting you want from HD or Lowes. Then just run some fuel line or petro rated rubber hose to and from a Mocal diff pump with a cooler inline and you're basically done.

You can also wire a light to the pump to come on when the pump is off and vice versa to prevent any oiling issues. With a small orifice opening on the supply side and some really thick fluid I don't see any issues with seals going bad or bushings getting warn anymore.

As I'm thinking about this, the pump will also have to be mounted under the car as well. Or you may end up with the oil pooling in the drain hose and backing up.

WD

[spooled240]

i don't think it would matter; I was thinking of the pump mounted in-line from the tank to the feed side of the turbo. With the orfice, the drain shouldn't puddle up as long as the drain tube is being gravity fed to the tank, which should be under the car..just my thoughts

[spooled240]

i'm really curious-why do you guys want to do a remote mount setup? I can't really think of one thing that would be worth it IMO..i'm guessing lag would be very bad especially if you wann run a fmic just my .02

[Florida240sx]

For some people doing visual inspections. Keeps heat out the engine bay. Shouldn't even need a FMIC do to the piping under the car. I'm doing it just to do it. Wish I would of decided this before I trashed my a/c system.But I can steal my vert's a/c system once I go vh45de with it.

[Florida240sx]

After thinking of it. Would only need one pump possibly. Depends on space. But I have a fuel cell which will clear up all that space.Turbo mounted to bottom of spare tire wheel. box below turbo and pump on top of box. Pump sucks oil from bottom of box.This is the oil pump I have.*hi-flo model* Does it flow enough pressure to feed the turbo though? Can't understand what it's syaing on the chart....http://www.scavengepump.com/

[spooled240]

i think it means 20psi max for continuous use, i'm not sure though..this will work fine, they said it can feed 30" of line with or without an oil cooler and with an orifice, pressure would definitley be enough.

[Edub1]

After thinking of it. Would only need one pump possibly. Depends on space. But I have a fuel cell which will clear up all that space.Turbo mounted to bottom of spare tire wheel. box below turbo and pump on top of box. Pump sucks oil from bottom of box.This is the oil pump I have.*hi-flo model* Does it flow enough pressure to feed the turbo though? Can't understand what it's syaing on the chart....http://www.scavengepump.com/

30" reffers to how tall of a column the pump can make against gravity. It can pump 30" uphill. The add sais for remote turbo mount so it looks like that will work.

The purpose for the remote mount is because an LS1 will not leave room for the turbo in the engine bay.

I saw aluminum coolant reseviors in Summitt for like $30. These could be modified to work and would cool the oil as well.

I would think that the pump should be mounted in the return line close to the bottom to avoid pressure build up in the turbo. If the system doesn't contain much air there should be good continuous flow. I would make my tank with a fill plu on top and a drain in the bottom and fill it until there is only about 1 cubic inch of air.

[spooled240]

i didn't know you were doing a turbo ls1! that would be amazing..

[Florida240sx]

Well I'm turboing the vh45de. My setup was just going to have long feed line to turbo, turbo to pump, pump back to oil pan.

Ka-t remote mount coming soon.... Taking engine into school next week