Secondary Location for fuel filter on a Q41??

[oldmako]

The brackets which hold the fuel filter cover on my Milwaukee car are rusted to hell and back. Consequently I'd like to locate the filter elsewhere.

The most obvious (and easiest to access for future changes) choice would be under the hood but those lines are probably too high psi. Correct?

Anyone ever put it in a different, safe, secure spot?? Any suggestions appreciated. Of course lectures on not buying a rusty car make for entertaining reading and provide a great opportunity for chest thumping as well. If that's your thing, knock yourself out. I'll just roll my eyes and fetch another frosty pop.

Rusty.

[bullittandy]

I think that you should cut the offending mass off of the car and buy the brackets and assembly off my parts car. Clever huh?

[oldmako]

Certainly not a bad idea Andy....you know that I love your Q parts shop.

I'll have to look at it again. I seem to recall that the brackets are spot welded onto the frame and that the cover bolts to those brackets. I'm pretty sure that my brackets are shot, so a newer cover won't really help.I'll get up under it again soon (rain today) and see what's going on.

What kind of shape is your shifter console cover like? I'm referring to the decorative plastic around the shift lever. Mine is fairly scratched up.

Beyond that, I don't really need anything at this time. The car and I have reached a level of detente which will keep me driving it for a while. Only 140K and it's running great. My plan is to take it to about 250K and then start looking for a 3rd gen Q.

[maxnix]

Might be better to take it to 350K and hope a good 2nd gen is still rust free somewhere.

[bullittandy]

Brackets on my 97 parts car are bolted to frame, shoot me an email and we'll discuss.

I've got my eye on a 03 or 04 M45 at some point in my future.

[Skibane]

Quote »The most obvious (and easiest to access for future changes) choice would be under the hood but those lines are probably too high psi. Correct?[/quote]Since the fuel pump is in the tank, the pressure shouldn't be any higher than it is when it comes out of the tank (and into the original fuel filter).

However, relocating the filter to the engine compartment may cause other problems - It'll get much hotter there, which will make the several ounces of fuel inside it more likely to boil...

Personally, I'd either replace the bracket with another OEM one (coating it in epoxy if I was feeling ambitious), or kludge together a replacement out of something less prone to corrosion (stainless steel maybe?)

[Infinitiguy19]

However, relocating the filter to the engine compartment may cause other problems - It'll get much hotter there, which will make the several ounces of fuel inside it more likely to boil...

I doubt it will be a problem, cause we G50 guys have them in the engine bay and are fine so far.

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[Q451990]

I would be very careful about relocating the fuel filter... we had someone put a plastic fuel filter in a different location in a G50 a few years ago post about an engine bay fire. So if you go that route...be sure you know what you're doing!

Heath