FantomLightning wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:31 pm
DTASFAB wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:16 am
Jatco makes this CVT for the Nissan, Subaru, and Jeep. Toyota and Honda don't use Jatco and they are much better.
Jatco *made* a CVT for Jeep, it was in select years of Compass and Patriot. No current Jeep product is using a CVT. Subaru CVTs (at least those available on the US market) are all of Subaru in house design. Some of Subarus older geared ATs were sourced from Jatco, but not CVTs.
I must have gotten bad information from a Nissan dealer about Subarus then.
casperfun wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:41 am
DTASFAB wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:16 am
Jatco makes this CVT for the Nissan, Subaru, and Jeep. Toyota and Honda don't use Jatco and they are much better.
Even better, the Toyota RAV4 comes with a 8speed automatic.
I looked very closely at the 2019 Rav4 and I
HATE it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNww28gEIJ4
The Rav4 uses Toyota's special 0W-16 oil. Good luck getting that at Walmart.
There are a ton of youtube comparision and review videos pitting the Rav4 against other similar vehicles like the CR-V, CX-5, Forrester, etc. The Rav4 wins very few. The 203HP with the gasoline engine and 8 speed automatic is sluggish, noisy, and can't get out of its own way. The combined 219HP on the hybrid with eCVT is much better, but that can't fix the Rav4's hideous face and body and uncomfortable seats. The rear legroom is also one of the worst (if not the absolute worst) in its class.
As someone whose family has owned seven Toyotas and driven nearly a million combined miles on those cars (two of them reached over 300k each, and the one surviving member of that group has recently reached over 390K with its subsequent owner) I have been completely betrayed by Toyota's design direction. I can't stand sitting in them now. They disgust me. Even worse than betraying me, I believe Toyota has betrayed itself.
I signed paperwork yesterday to trade in my Rogue for a 2019 CR-V LX, the last one they're making with a traditional 2.4L engine. Starting in 2020, all CR-V trim lines, including the base LX, will have the 1.5L turbo engine with the oil dilution problem. I'd rather have an automatic transmission in the CR-V than the CVT I'm getting, but Honda's CVTs don't seem to have any major widespread problems like many others, particularly Nissan. I'm not too concerned about the Honda transmission in the long term.
Sitting in the Honda feels to me like sitting in a Honda felt 20-30 years ago. SItting in a modern Toyota feels like I'm in a vehicle that was built on another planet. My Rogue reminds me more of a GEN1/GEN2/GEN3 Camry than a 2019 Camry. It's really sad in a way.