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Well I'm in English and were doing a researh project on Hitler and the Holocaust. And I'm stumped on one question, Did he have children?

If anybody knows the RIGHT answer then I'd greatly appreciate it


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pretty sure he didn't have children of his own.

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Yea that's what I think, I've found a couple of links that said he did and some that said he didn't.It mainly says he killed himself and his wife did as well so they wouldn't have to give out information.

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numbnuts240 wrote:pretty sure he didn't have children of his own.
He had no children that anyone knows about.

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Yea I think he didn't have any children, but you guys want to know an interesting fact,he did 92 different kinds of drugs before he died.

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cheezy240 wrote:he did 92 different kinds of drugs before he died.
I can't even think of 92 different drugs that are out there. That's impressive.

OP,http://www.google.com/#hl=en&e...e9555

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If he did, you'd imagine how awesome his great grandchild would be when they would study family heritage in school and everyone had to bring in a copy of their family tree.

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Weird. I could have sworn I saw something on the History channel a couple of years ago stating that Hitler had 2 kids lived and they live in isolation in NH now or something.

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he didn't have any of his own but his mistress ava braun had quite a few...but she fed them cyanide tablets while they were sleeping so that's the end of that.

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Yea he has a couple family members in the U.S. but they aren't children. But you never know he could hve had kids but no one knows about them

But when I was searching the other day I found some forum and this girl said she was Hitler's great something I can't remember but she said if anybody had any questions to email her She was happy to be part of his family.

And another thing, there's this douche in my class who thinks hitler was a good man, wtf, he is a very annoying person he doesn't do s*** in class but when it comes to hitler he will do anything
DrifterXRPS13 wrote:he didn't have any of his own but his mistress ava braun had quite a few...but she fed them cyanide tablets while they were sleeping so that's the end of that.
Really I didn't know that

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cheezy240 wrote:Yea he has a couple family members in the U.S. but they aren't children. But you never know he could hve had kids but no one knows about them

But when I was searching the other day I found some forum and this girl said she was Hitler's great something I can't remember but she said if anybody had any questions to email her She was happy to be part of his family.

And another thing, there's this douche in my class who thinks hitler was a good man, wtf, he is a very annoying person he doesn't do s*** in class but when it comes to hitler he will do anything

Really I didn't know that
That kid is disturbing, but it would not be surprising if his parents share that same warped view. There are wackos everywhere.

The conspiracy of Hitler descendants was popularized in he 70's movie The Boys from Brazil, whose plot involved cloning Hitler.

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Yea I know, honestly when he said that I wanted to knock his double chin down his throat. And it wouldn't surprise me if they loved Hitler as well.

Hmmm I've never heard of that, I have to look that up.


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don't listen to that chick. she probably just want publicity from using hitler's name.

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"Did Adolph Hitler have any biological children?"

"yeah, George W. Bush."


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cheezy240 wrote:And another thing, there's this douche in my class who thinks hitler was a good man, wtf...
Hitler was a great leader. Not a good man, but a GREAT leader.

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PoorManQ45 wrote:
Hitler was a great leader. Not a good man, but a GREAT leader.
This. And extremely, extremely smart. Gotta give credit where it's due. He may not have bettered the world, but his mind was definitely worth studying.

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cellardoorv wrote:
This. And extremely, extremely smart. Gotta give credit where it's due. He may not have bettered the world, but his mind was definitely worth studying.
he had the most diabolical mind of that century and he was responsible for dragging the United States out of the Great Depression

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You bet he did, just like Jesus.

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cellardoorv wrote:
This. And extremely, extremely smart. Gotta give credit where it's due. He may not have bettered the world, but his mind was definitely worth studying.
disagree. The diabolical, cruel and inhumane aspects of his personality (you know, that itty bitty detail about the torture and extermination of 6 million innocent jews) should more than overshadow any possible credit he should ever receive for being smart. It's incredibly insulting to his victims.
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Hitler was a great leader. Not a good man, but a GREAT leader.
Debateable. I'll agree he was a persuasive leader for awhile, as he did convince an entire country of people to work together and commit atrocities beyond belief, but you could also argue his quest for world domination was foolish and shortsighted, ultimately destroying his own country, which are not exactly traits of a great leader.


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Bubba1 wrote:
disagree. The diabolical, cruel and inhumane aspects of his personality (you know, that itty detail about the torture and extermination of 6 million innocent jews) should more than overshadow any possible credit he should ever receive for being smart. It's incredibly insulting to his victims.
With a topic like this it's hard to be truthful while maintaining political correctness. Yes, what he did was evil, but he also commissioned some of the greatest scientific minds of the 20th century!
Bubba1 wrote:Debateable. I'll agree he was a persuasive leader for awhile, as he did convince an entire country of people to work together and commit atrocities beyond belief, but you could also argue his quest for world domination was foolish and shortsighted, ultimately destroying his own country, which are not exactly traits of a great leader.
Indeed. There were some areas that he could have improved on. If it wasn't for the damn harsh winter and his stubbornness it is said that the outcome of the war would have been much different...

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PoorManQ45 wrote:
With a topic like this it's hard to be truthful while maintaining political correctness. Yes, what he did was evil, but he also commissioned some of the greatest scientific minds of the 20th century!
Very easy to be truthful without being politically correct with Hitler. There should be no argument that his deeds were evil and downright inhumane. LAbelling Hitler smart or a great leader is like saying mass murderer John Wayne Gacy was a nice guy because he liked puppies.

The greatest scientific minds were there regardless of who was in charge. In fact, you could easily argue that a smarter German leader would have commissioned those same great scientific minds for better things than weaponry and large scale human disposal.
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Indeed. There were some areas that he could have improved on. If it wasn't for the damn harsh winter and his stubbornness it is said that the outcome of the war would have been much different...
Some areas he could have improved on?? Understatement of the year.

You're right about his stubborness being one of the reasons for his eventual demise, which makes him less than a great leader. As a leader, he stretched his reach too much too quickly and grossly underestimated the Allies, drawing in a superpower like the US, and then simultaneously tangling with Russia on the other side. As a leader, you could better argue he was stupid.

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Bubba1 wrote:
Very easy to be truthful without being politically correct with Hitler. There should be no argument that his deeds were evil and downright inhumane. LAbelling Hitler smart or a great leader is like saying mass murderer John Wayne Gacy was a nice guy because he liked puppies.
If an engineer makes a new type of bomb that kills a mass of people, keeps it to himself, and uses it whenever and wherever he wants, does it mean that he isn't smart at all?

If you are trying to compare aspects of a person's character, you have to look at them separately. Sure Hitler was a diabolical, evil, twisted man, but he did have a smart mind and he did have the charisma and characteristics of a good leader. Did he use these qualities for good? No. Does that mean they're invalidated? No.

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krash wrote:
If an engineer makes a new type of bomb that kills a mass of people, keeps it to himself, and uses it whenever and wherever he wants, does it mean that he isn't smart at all?

If you are trying to compare aspects of a person's character, you have to look at them separately. Sure Hitler was a diabolical, evil, twisted man, but he did have a smart mind and he did have the charisma and characteristics of a good leader. Did he use these qualities for good? No. Does that mean they're invalidated? No.
I'm suggesting that when you take individual attributes and apply them to the entire person and their deeds, the quality of the individual attribute loses it's value.

Hitler or John Wayne Gacy could have been validictorians, it doesn't really matter. It's what they did with their skill/gifts that really matters. To praise small aspects of their being is repugnant, especially when the evidence of their deeds relating to that skill/gift directly contradicts that praise.

To use your example, that engineer who designed the bomb can be called smart. No argument. But if he personally took that bomb and deployed it wiping out the northeastern United states, then I'd say that the "smart" aspect to him is vastly overshadowed by his being an genocidal maniac. Not only was his decision to use the weapon not smart, his "smartness" does not deserve to be praised.

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Yea I agree, if you're a genius but decide to become known for mass murder, then yea the mass murdering is going to overshadow the genius side; The bad outweighs the good. I think they weren't praising Hitler but just pointing out that those good characteristics did in fact exist.

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krash wrote:Yea I agree, if you're a genius but decide to become known for mass murder, then yea the mass murdering is going to overshadow the genius side; The bad outweighs the good. I think they weren't praising Hitler but just pointing out that those good characteristics did in fact exist.
I understand that, but Hitler was neither a great leader or extremely smart. History confirms that. Great leaders do not execute anyone and everyone who disagrees with any his doctines. Smart people don't attempt to eliminate millions of innocent people solely because of their religion.




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Bubba1 wrote:I understand that, but Hitler was neither a great leader or extremely smart. History confirms that. Great leaders do not execute anyone and everyone who disagrees with any his doctines. Smart people don't attempt to eliminate millions of innocent people solely because of their religion.
The two are completely unrelated. And, even if they weren't, Hitler was in charge for quite some time before his craziness went full-scale. Hitler absolutely WAS a great leader. He rebuilt his nation's destroyed economy and transformed it from near death to a serious world power in a matter of YEARS. If that's not a good leader, nothing is. You've got it exactly backward. Denying that Hitler was smart or a great leader because of his evils is what doesn't make sense. Yes, he was a terrible person. That has NO BEARING on his intelligence. Plenty of very intelligent people are insane or have oddball viewpoints...that does not change the fact that they're intelligent. Einstein left his wife to marry his cousin for crying out loud. Does that mean he wasn't a genius? It sure as hell doesn't make all his scientific advancement disappear.

Hitler was very smart in a lot of ways. He did a lot of good things for his nation in addition to the bad things. I do not for a moment argue with the fact that he was a horrible, mass-murdering scumbag. But to say that he wasn't smart or was a poor leader shows that YOU need to look at history more closely. Germany was picked apart and nearly destroyed by the vulturous victors of WWI in a totally unfair treaty arrangement (one that President Wilson and the US population in general opposed). Hitler is partially responsible for restoring the nation to working order.

Hitler was a fantastic public speaker and understood how to make people feel like they agree with him. He used the resources available to him to gain control but then turned those weaknesses around and built a powerhouse.

I should add to this that part of my viewpoint on this subject comes from talking with my grandmother, who lived in German during the second world war (and after).

Oh, and finally, because I'm sick of saying this so much lately: Hitler is NOT the only world-domination-focused German leader. He was merely the LAST. The quest for world domination DEFINES Germany's history AS A WHOLE. Please, google "Holy Roman Empire." They controlled the WORLD. And since when is global domination evil anyway? Up until Hitler that attitude served them fine. It was Hitler's crazy that ruined things, not the quest for world domination.

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infinitgkid wrote:If he did, you'd imagine how awesome his great grandchild would be when they would study family heritage in school and everyone had to bring in a copy of their family tree.
Use white-out, write in Ben Franklin. Tell everyone your great great great grand daddy was a baller/inventor who banged hot French broads and flew kites in thunderstorms like a bada**.

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The two are completely unrelated. And, even if they weren't, Hitler was in charge for quite some time before his craziness went full-scale. Hitler absolutely WAS a great leader. He rebuilt his nation's destroyed economy and transformed it from near death to a serious world power in a matter of YEARS. If that's not a good leader, nothing is. You've got it exactly backward. Denying that Hitler was smart or a great leader because of his evils is what doesn't make sense. Yes, he was a terrible person. That has NO BEARING on his intelligence. Plenty of very intelligent people are insane or have oddball viewpoints...that does not change the fact that they're intelligent. Einstein left his wife to marry his cousin for crying out loud. Does that mean he wasn't a genius? It sure as hell doesn't make all his scientific advancement disappear.

Hitler was very smart in a lot of ways. He did a lot of good things for his nation in addition to the bad things. I do not for a moment argue with the fact that he was a horrible, mass-murdering scumbag. But to say that he wasn't smart or was a poor leader shows that YOU need to look at history more closely. Germany was picked apart and nearly destroyed by the vulturous victors of WWI in a totally unfair treaty arrangement (one that President Wilson and the US population in general opposed). Hitler is partially responsible for restoring the nation to working order.

Hitler was a fantastic public speaker and understood how to make people feel like they agree with him. He used the resources available to him to gain control but then turned those weaknesses around and built a powerhouse.

I should add to this that part of my viewpoint on this subject comes from talking with my grandmother, who lived in German during the second world war (and after).

Oh, and finally, because I'm sick of saying this so much lately: Hitler is NOT the only world-domination-focused German leader. He was merely the LAST. The quest for world domination DEFINES Germany's history AS A WHOLE. Please, google "Holy Roman Empire." They controlled the WORLD. And since when is global domination evil anyway? Up until Hitler that attitude served them fine. It was Hitler's crazy that ruined things, not the quest for world domination.
Perhaps we should nominate Idi Amin for humanitarian of the year while we're at it. He led his country for many years as an undisputed leader.

I'll agree Hitler was a charismatic speaker, and was successful in uniting a devastated Germany post WWI, But any positive descriptions like great flies out the window once he became the ruthless genocidal dictator.

His final solution for the jews, including German citizens, is one of the more twisted evil acts in history, but hey, his soldiers willingly carried out those attrocities, and he sure gave inspiring speeches that impressed his constituents, (well excluding the jews/gypsies). Does that make him a great leader? IMHO, that's a big no.

We clearly have a different perspective of Hitler. I'm very lucky my grandparents were able to flee Europe before that "Great" leader's final solution reached them. I am not the only one that is unwilling to overlook his evil to praise any single aspect of his career or personality.


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