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so i was driving on the highway to a small town not to far the other day, and i was a couple of car lengths behind this semi, well it looked like he ran over a chunk of dirt, but them im like "holy ****!" hes tire friggin blew off the rim

something just shot out the side and then the tire fell apart, the whole tread part came flying at me, i couldnt go on the shoulder becuase there was **** there, and there was a car in the lane next to me, so i figure im probably going to hit it

i slow down and run over a whole half of his tire, oh.. my.. god..i pull over on the highway and take a look at the under of my car (which isnt a 240 or nissan, its a pos :ylsuper ) and somethings leaking, check under the hood and i figure its probably just a/c fulid or something (im not a mechanic, i know nothing) and a hose is broken and some other crap, i figure i could just go one, which i did

so anyway i have a new respect for semi's when im cruisin :oface

sorry for any typos, i suck at teh intarnet


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What color is the fluid that's leaking?

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Think about being behind one on the interstate on a motorcycle and they throw a recap. Take your head off, if your not carefull. Not to mention they will run you over in a heart beat (blind spot).

This is why the best place to be is in front of them. With a mile lead.

Sorry to here about your car.

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Touchdown038 wrote:What color is the fluid that's leaking?


dont remember, i think it was just clear, but its fixed nowits an old car, too much stuff leaking anywayits gonna be in the shop for the next 2-3 days, something is seriously wrong, tip of advice, dont push a 10 year old 180+ mileage car that hasnt really had its schedualed tune ups as hard as you can lol, but hey i got it for free, gay hand me down car

and man on my way back there were like a gang of bikers in the same lane where the tire chunks were laying, sucks if the arent watching the road

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that sucks...i hope your okay and ur car

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lol, my KA-E had 197k miles on it and i was the 8th owner of the car and I constantly bounced that mofo off the rev limiter :)

I think it is good to see rev limiters, cleans all the junk out :D

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Retreads... :tisk:

There have been countless injuries/fatalities from flying retread debris over the past 40 years. But the NHTSA is powerless against "big business" (the trucking companies).

Those chunks of steel and vulcanized rubber, as heavy as 40 pounds, hitting your car at 80mph, can go through your windshield and take your head off.

Screw 18-wheelers and their cheap-arse retreads.:mad:

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oh dang! I forgot to tell you my story about retreads..

The day after I did my SR swap I was driving my newly swapped car to the junkyard to get some little random parts. I was on the freeway and was following about 100 yards behind this semi. I needed to get up in front of him, so I get in the lane next to him and start to accelerate. as I get right up along side of him and to his left, one of the rear tires explodes and chunks about half of the tire directly in front of me. I have absolutely no time to react (maybe 1 second at most) and then THWAP!!! the tire hits smack dab on my frikin brand new Blitz LM intercooler. I didn't notice any change in performance or anything, so I kept driving to the junkyard (only a few mins away) so I get to the junkyard and inspect the damage and right in the middle of my intercooler going about halfway up is a pretty tire tread pattern in the fins :D It didn't break anything, and it actually looked kinda cool, but I seriously lucked out on that one since it was only a few bent fins...

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Phew yes you did...

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You should have LESS respect for cheap, crappy trucking companies that litter the highways and destroy cars by getting retreads. I STILL can't believe they're not outlawed yet. . . only new tires a truck is required to have are the front two (thank god for that, at leaast)

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yea really if u drive down the highway or interstate u cant go a couple hundred yards without seeing another blown to shreds semi tire on the side of the road.

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TurboKA37 wrote:yea really if u drive down the highway or interstate u cant go a couple hundred yards without seeing another blown to shreds semi tire on the side of the road.


It shocks me that it's still legal to use retreaded tires. But it's not legal to throw a big mac wrapper out of my window.

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For those of you not in the know:

I'm that poor basturd that has to go out and replace blown truck tires on the side of the interstate. Retreads get a bad rap. Let me give some things to think about.

A retreaded tire means just that: the tire's carcass has had new tread adhered to it. In the above horror story of tire debris, it is assumed that the tire was a retread. Not necessarily so. If you're just convinced that the tire was in fact a retread, how can you verify? Read on...

From the original poster's comments, the tire "blew" apart, leaving tire debris in his(op.tic's) driving path. This can happen with any tire!! Contrary to what you may have heard, a regular tire's tread is adhered to the carcass in a similar fashion to a retread's. This means (and I've seen this MANY times) that a regular truck tire can lose it's tread just as easily as a retread. The factors for destruction are load, heat, tire pressure, belt or cord damage, or puncture/other injury. All of these factors can affect either a retread OR a "regular" tire. Tires aren't just a mold you shoot black goo into. There are several steps involved with building tires. Carcass, or, casing construction is a wholly separate operation from tread design/adhesion to casing.

People say "retreads are bad because the tread comes off"

Consider this: the majority(around 75% from a study I read a while back) of truck tire debris you see on the side of the road will have metal cords in it. Know what this means? It wasn't a retread failure, but rather a casing failure. The metal you see are the steel belts that make up the casing of the tire. NOT THE TREAD. Tires do not have metal cords in the tread. Casings fail more often than tread(puncture, overloading). Op.tic's comments(if he accurately reported) clearly show a casing failure, resulting in tire explosion, and flying debris.

Don't blame the retread. Casing failure is more common than tread failure. This depends heavily on retreading process...only a select elete of big companies still retread tires...for a reason. Retreading process has come under heavy scrutiny. Process of retreading must be on par with new tire manufacturing. All because of more and more people with half the facts focusing on what seems like a "smoking gun" culprit.

Retreading maximizes miles per tire life, and keeps truck operating costs in check....where it matters most...long haul trucking.

The real problem with ALL tires is maintenance. If we all pay closer attention to tire condition, air pressure, and don't try and squeeze another week by filling that low tire again, the roads will be safer.

http://www.retread.org/packet/index.cfm ... D/227.htmQ. Where does rubber on the road come from? A. The rubber pieces you see on the road come from both new and retreaded tires. It is important to note that most of the rubber on the road comes from truck tires and is caused mainly by underinflation, overloading, and tire abuse

http://fleetowner.com/ar/fleet_good_investment/

If you don't believe anything I've said, please take the time to read this next link:http://www.retread.org/PDF/RonR_Wagner.pdfThe department issued a report inNovember 1999 that concluded “theproblem of tire debris along the highwaysis not due solely to retreadedtires.” In fact, the study revealed that asmall percentage of rubber on the roadactually comes from retreads thatfailed due to manufacturing defects.“Examination of the debris revealsmany of the tires (that fail) are newand have never been recapped. Expertsbelieve failure to maintain sufficientair pressure causes the tire casingsto become extremely hot andeventually come apart and spread debrisbeside the highways.”

http://www.twna.org/retreads.htm"Retreaded tires have a safety record the same as new tires and in most cases they offer a substantial cost savings over higher priced new tires. Retreaded tires are also very environmentally friendly, which is a fact not well known by most of the public."

"Since it is probably impossible to ever totally educate truckers and other motorists about the importance of proper tire maintenance, along with the importance of stopping immediately upon detecting a tire problem, the best our industry can hope for is that our members continue to educate the public about the real causes of rubber on the road."

http://www.tireindustry.org/fe...t.aspNotice captions of blown truck tires.

From the EPA:http://www.epa.gov/ne/assistan...d.pdf“ ...we do more than25,000 tire changes ayear-or about 70 tireseach day. ...Since thetreads on airplane tireswear much faster thansidewalls, retreading isa common practice.Our tires thus spendmost of their productivelife as retreads, andsince recapping producesa lot less wastethan discarding andreplacing perfectlysound tire casings,using bias-ply tiresmakes environmental aswell as economic sense.”--Robert CrandallChairmanAmerican Airlines

The debris you see on the highways is as much from failure and abuse of new tires as it is of retreaded tires. Retreaded tires have been safely used on school buses, trucks, cars, airplanes, fire engines and other emergency vehicles for years.

More later..

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http://www.retread.org/Facts/index.cfm/ID/226.htm

For you environmentally friendly people:http://www.swmcb.org/EPPG/7_4.asp"Retreading a truck tire uses only seven gallons of oil compared to 22 gallons used to make a new one. Each year, retread tires save more than 400 million gallons of oil in North America and also help divert thousands of scrap tires from disposal and tire dumps."

http://www.kaltire.com/commerc...g.php"There are three common myths about retreading; retreads are unsafe, retreads are not cost efficient, and retreads cannot withstand heat. These myths are usually perpetuated by the amount of rubber found on the road. It is believed that the rubber on the road resulted from retread failure caused by high heat, or because the retread was not bonded properly. Both of these beliefs are usually false.

It is important to know that rubber that is found on the road comes from both retreads and un-retreaded tires. While retreads usually get the blame, tire failure can mostly be attributed to a poor pre-trip inspection or poor maintenance because the proper inflation pressures and other critical factors were not maintained."

http://www.scprisonindustries.com/retreading.asp"There is no evidence showing retreads to be less safe than new tires.""There is a misconception that rubber found on the side of the road is the result of retread failure. Rubber on the road side has a 50/50 chance of being retread. Most tire failure, new and retread, is caused by abuse like overloading, under inflation and mismatching of dual axle tires."

http://www.state.ma.us/osd/env...2.pdf"DOT statistics show that tire-related accidents happen largelydue to under-inflation and tire abuse – not due to the useof retreads.""The Tire Debris Task Force, a group representing thetrucking companies, trucking and tire industry associationsand retreading and new tire companies analyzed 1,070pieces of tread from the roads of nine states. Only 1% ofthese pieces were attributed to retread failure. Most of therubber, which came from both new and retread tires, wascaused by nail punctures, under-inflation, overloading,mismatching of tires on dual wheel positions and otherimproper maintenance practices."

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KoukiS14 wrote:. . . only new tires a truck is required to have are the front two (thank god for that, at leaast)


Wrong. Only buses are required to have new tires on front axle. Federally.

http://www.state.ma.us/osd/env...2.pdf

"The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations prohibit theuse of retreads on the steer axles of buses. There are norestrictions on the use of retread tires on steer axles ofother vehicles. Carriers with developed tire managementprograms, such as United Parcel, use them on the frontaxles of their trucks. While retreads are just as safe as newtires if maintained properly, the industry advice isnevertheless to put new tires on front axles of all vehiclesand then retread them and “work them back” towards therear axles of the vehicle."

Watch out!! That UPS truck might blow a tire and kill you all!!

I'm a bit shocked by the comments people have made in this thread. Total lack of facts. All tires can blow up. Most debris you see will have steel cords in it.. telling you it was a casing failure, not a tread failure. Simple as that. If you really don't believe me, you spend all or part of your working day on the side of the freeway, changing blown tires..not retreads...then come back and tell me what you think.

-Phil:rant

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You know Phil after a while the word "tread" starts to sound weird... And thanks for clearing THAT issue up with us. Looks like improper maintenance has much more bearing on why a tire would blow than retreads.

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To add to smith's tire info. The Dot is aware people are very Irresponsable with tire maint. Tire pressure moniters are being mandated by the dot to be in 10% of each car manufacturers fleet by 2005 and by somewhere around 2010 in all cars. Trucks will most likely fall in this somwhere along the line.

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GREAT info, Phil! Thanks for the edumafriggincation! :D

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I'm just curious why those who gave the stories of being hit with debris from the semis accepted this as a normal driving incident. Why wouldn't you get the insurance info and file a claim against the truck's provider?

I guess with an SR swap any claim you make involving your own insrance company becomes reluctant and shady. In fact you may even have a difficult time getting another company to pay once the adjuster sees the illegal engine

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Who has time to write down a plate # when you're ducking flying debris?

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well the truck is going to have to stop, right?

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Hell no! They keep going, because typically it's one of the duals (all axles but the front).

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okay, then I'm following - supposing my car is still drivable - or calling the police in the case that it isn't. My point is I'm not getting stuk with the bill, if I can prevent it.

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Man, that sucks, what happened to your car. I see that all the time, and have repaired chips in my windshield 5 times, in the last year, due to road debris.

Now, my ranting about truckers:Truckers don't give a $%^* about other drivers. I know, because my brother, cousin, and neighbor are all drivers. I have been nearly killed by 2 drivers, on separrate occasions. (One stopped, the other didn't). Both times, my car was toast.

I see countless truckers, driving with bent rims, bad air shocks, improper tire inflaion, and even blown tires. Usually they are driving 80 MPH, dangerously close to the cars in front, or cutting off 4 wheel traffic.

I pass/get passed by somewhere between 40 to 100 trucks a day, depending on where I drive. I see 1 to 2 a month that are acually courteous drivers.

My insurance rate is higher, because I drive a lot of miles, for my job. I pay high prices for gas, because I drive a car that requires Premium fuel (my choice).

I pay more for produce, because it has to be trucked from California and Florida.

I pay for damaged goods shipped for my company, because trucking companies just don't, no matter what you put on the bill of lading.

I can't plug my tires, when I get a nail, and soon won't be able to patch them anymore, because of the laws, directly affected by highway safety.

I pay the price. Trucking companies and drivers should, too.

Anything that would raise the cost of trucking, to push transportation to the rivers and railways, is OK with me.

I give truckers room, now, and am courteous to drivers going faster than me. I will cancel my cruise, to let someone pass, rather than cut in front of them. I do not tailgate, and usually allow people to dart in front of me, to reduce the chance of them tailgating me. I do not like tailgaters, or people who drive around with their brights on. I started driving 77 MPH, to be a little faster than the 70 to 75 crowd, and slower than the 80 to 85 crowd. It has been a great speed for me. I usually don't even have to slow down, when I pass a State Trooper. Rarely, am I going the same speed as anyone else, and if I am, I speed up or slow down, for a few miles, to get away from them. I never drive along side a truck, even in traffic. I will hang back, then blast by. If you do these things, you will avoid most problems.

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i used to do tires on dump trucks, busses all that heavy on and off road truck stuff

ususly we saw tread sepration from overheatin the tire (underinflation causes this) ,remember it also happend alot on the firestone wilderness explorer tires so it really cant all be pegged on retread tires , new ones can do it too

one thing i can blame on the trucker is alot of them do not inspect the tires every time the truck stops for refuleing or mandatory driver sleeping periods, sometimes one can detect the tire begining to seperate before taking to the road , i know ive caught quite a few while performing schedualed maintenace , and promtly changed them out only to be asked by the operator why he has a new tire , since we had the money we could go ahead and use a new tire instaed of a retread as our retreader didnt follow proper safety guideline for retreading and working with a regrooveable tire

goodyear and several other tire co's actaluly design the tires to be retreaded or "regrooved" as the industry calls it

Air Force reg to # 36-191 actualy states that only firetrucks , busses and other emergency vehicles have to have boath tires on the front axel with similar tread, size and wear and be of non retread type

you kids havent lived untill youve changed a tire on a CAT scraper , these things are over 5 feet tall 3 feet wide and weigh 2000 lbs with the rim in them , there so big that the rim actualy has its own cooling system with 50/50 ethalyne glycol (antifreeze), as the rim without it would overheat and explode, and forget filling it up with shop air , these require nitrogen as nitrogen's pressure is unaffected by temperature and doesnt decompose the tire like shop air does

anyway ,respect the trucker , remeber without him you would have NOTHING !!!!

i know i always have , so next time your behind one with his turn signal on and he wants to enter your lane give him proper room and flash your high beams to signal he is clear to move to your lane in front of you , they cant see well when there out there so any help they get is greatly appricated

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"I see countless truckers, driving with bent rims, bad air shocks, improper tire inflaion, and even blown tires. Usually they are driving 80 MPH, dangerously close to the cars in front, or cutting off 4 wheel traffic."

ive seen this too , ususly they drive for a company , get the company name and truck number and if i remeber right you can call the DOT and have this reported , this is a very serios issue for them , i see lots of truckers that never make it past the next weigh station due to unroadworthy trucks

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Stoneage_Turbo wrote:one thing i can blame on the trucker is alot of them do not inspect the tires every time the truck stops for refuleing or mandatory driver sleeping periods, sometimes one can detect the tire begining to seperate before taking to the road
If you don't inspect your vehicle EVERY time you take to the road, you should not have the PRIVELIDGE of using them.

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EXACTLY!!!!!

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Thanks for the insight SmithSR, but I still hate retreads. :D


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