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Andred Sullivan, the Daily Dish wrote:I've now heard it countless times. McCain has used what appears to be an intensely personal moment in a prison camp as a reason to vote for him in a campaign ad. As he tells it today, it was the pivotal moment in his struggle to survive in the Hanoi Hilton. And yet, in his first thorough account of his time in captivity, in 1973, the story is absent. The story is also hauntingly like that recounted by Solzhenitsen, as told in Luke Veronis, "The Sign of the Cross":
Leaving his shovel on the ground, he slowly walked to a crude bench and sat down. He knew that at any moment a guard would order him to stand up, and when he failed to respond, the guard would beat him to death, probably with his own shovel. He had seen it happen to other prisoners.

As he waited, head down, he felt a presence. Slowly he looked up and saw a skinny old prisoner squat down beside him. The man said nothing. Instead, he used a stick to trace in the dirt the sign of the Cross. The man then got back up and returned to his work.

As Solzhenitsyn stared at the Cross drawn in the dirt his entire perspective changed.(Quoting Solzhenitsyn's work)

McCain's version...McCain: …because it was Christmas day, we were allowed to stand outside of our cell for a few minutes. In those days we were not allowed to see or communicate with each other, although we certainly did. And I was standing outside, for my few minutes outside at my cell. He came walking up. He stood there for a minute, and with his sandal on the dirt in the courtyard, he drew a cross and he stood there. And a minute later, he rubbed it out, and walked away. For a minute there, there was just two Christians worshipping together. I'll never forget that moment.From McCain's 1999 book.

This cross in the sand story first appeared in McCain's book shortly before the 2000 campaign. It has been suggested that McCain needed an "in" with christian voters and what better way than to mention the cross.

This subject is loaded with controversy, but there are several facts that are well documented. The first time the story can be confirmed is through Billy Graham relating a comment made to him by Solzhenitsyn in 1975 or 1976, more than 20 years before McCain penned a similar fate. Some attribute the story to Solzhenitsyn Gulag Archipelago but that may not be correct.

Another interesting fact is that McCain, who professes to be "saved" did not speak of this occurrence until almost 30 years after it happened. Did McCain plagiarize the statement? Did he borrow it to gain christian voters, or did he previously read it and over the ensuing years, become confused as to whether or not he actually experienced it, after all, no one can blame him for losing a little of his mind, given what he suffered in Hanoi.

You be the judge, it's a pretty close call any way you go with this.

Footnote, for an excellent read on Vietnam POWs and POW life, read Scars and Stripes by Eugene B. McDaniel



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I've seen McCain speak on the subject of Faith and his prison camp experiences. There is no doubt whatsoever that he understands what faith is and that he drew strength from it during that time.

He's not a Bible thumper but never doubt that he has Faith.

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rn79870 wrote:Another interesting fact is that McCain, who professes to be "saved" did not speak of this occurrence until almost 30 years after it happened.
My Pops served 20 years and rarely if ever speaks of his experiences... at 78.

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Same thing with my dad. He's in his 80s; he has told a grand total of about 4 or 5 incidents from his WWII experience in the Pacific, and none in really graphic detail.

We have ascertained from his stories that

Dad was a radioman,

Someone in his crew was so afraid of needles they had to try to inoculate the guy while he was sleeping and he still tensed up and broke a needle,

His ship weathered a major storm and the convoy went basically nowhere battling the headwinds and waves,

He went to Hiroshima and had to deal with some of the devastation after the bomb was dropped.

He's very reluctant to share anything else from his experiences back then.

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The ironic thing is the timing. He produced a "pro-christian" story some 25 years after it happened, when he was seeking the christian vote. I would think such a moving story would have been mentioned many times in those intervening 25 years.

It can never be proven, it's just one more thing to question though.


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Or one more thing to immediately deny and attempt to say it is not true. If Obama said during his drug days that he quit after someone drew a cross in the sand then the whole world would bow to him and shower him with more political contributions. He's probably pissed he didn't think of it beforehand.

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Besides McCain suffered all that psychological abuse in Hanoi, how can we really blame him if his memory is shot all to heck and back.

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I don't particularly care about the story one way or the other. Based on what we know happens to POWs subjected to what he endured in Hanoi, even if it didn't happen, focusing on such a scenario might be something to help the POW survive the anguish. Truly focused, intense concentration on such a subject would stamp it indelibly on the mind as an actual occurence.

My concerns about the man are a lot more recent and based on comparing him to the McCain I met 8 years ago and verifiable facts like his congressional voting record.

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rn79870 wrote:The ironic thing is the timing. He produced a "pro-christian" story some 25 years after it happened, when he was seeking the christian vote. I would think such a moving story would have been mentioned many times in those intervening 25 years.

It can never be proven, it's just one more thing to question though.
I can certainly see how one would think that.

Here's another take on it, call it spin if you like. Read carefully:

At the time of his service and capture, and even for years thereafter, he was probably like most of us - Immature in his faith and not sure of his Creator's plan for him... Those things come with time, age and wisdom.

Looking back, even though he may have considered himself a believer, he's not speaking of HIS faith but of the kindness a fellow brother showed him, and the impression it made on him.

I never spoke of my faith openly during my college years or even several years later... I'm sure as I mature, I'll be more open and candid about the events that shaped my faith as well. There have been plenty.


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