Sacrifices to the BOOST GODS!

[240TweakerNewbee]

Well so far Ive gotten, power, weight, handling, cost, uniqueness. All arguments that I have spelled out time and time again for my prick boss in defense of the 240sx. The problem is, he has a 2001 Corvette C5:

-280whp, I dragged him the other day with my 250whp SR and he pulled away after I hit 3rd (yes I was in my peak torque range and yes I know how to drive) but if you look at the numbers, I should be beating him.

-3150lbs; even with my 400lb advantage I couldn't out acclerate because of his efficient drive train and FLAT torque curve. What ive learned about torque is that cars with it can pull for longer periods of time in each gear. "Horse power sells cars, torque wins races" - Carol Shelby. Torque is created by displacement.

-.92g's on the skidpad (let me tell you ive spent tons of money on suspension and tires for my car and Im 100x the driver he is, but I end up drifting through every corner just trying to keep up and he isnt even slipping), now I know the 240sx is great for drifting (prolly better than the vette, but what if you actually want to pull some real g's in the corners? what could I do to compete with a car that has its transmission in the rear and engine in the front to give it a perfect balance.

-under $20k (I'm comming close to that figure with what Ive spent on my 240sx... right now Ive got about $15k in it)

-Corvettes are not that unique, C5's are becomming like Camero's these days (this is about the only argument that is holding water right now, but I know my SR powered 240sx isnt the only one of its kind, even in the getto area that I live in)

Thanks again for the arguments

[HolyShiznit]

Wait, your boss has a C5 but he only makes 280whp? His is a turd then. the M6's make at least 300whp and the average is 310. The highest recorded was 326 rwhp bone stock on a M6 2001 Corvette.

Also hate to say it but if I had a choice between my 240 and a C5 Vette I would take the Vette, even stock. I love those things.

[Chezedik]

I think I would too, a few turbos would be wicked.

[240TweakerNewbee]

This guy is obsessed with his corvette but he might have been pulling my leg just to make my 240 sound less than it is when he quoted me the 280whp number. Have you driven a C5? I have, up a really steap and curvy road. It might be my inexperience at handling the car, but I didnt feel as confident as in my 240. The corvette has that "big car" feeling. Despite the power and handeling Im still not into the feeling of disconnectedness that I don't get in a small car. -Big Car feeling is bad when doing real road race driving on a track as far as Im concerned. Its so weird how when Im driving the 240 I can take on anything and even when I push the 240 to the ragged edge his times always beat mine. I guess I shouldnt complain, so far Ive spanked an evo, wrx, and every honda Ive ever ran into, but then again they might have just been crappy drivers

[HolyShiznit]

Yes I have driven a C5 and it trumps almost all the 240's I have ridden in. That is with the stock "Run Crap" tires they have on too. The Vette isn't a "big car" by any means, an STi and EVO are bigger both in physical size and weight but they don't feel disconnected at all. I think you are confusing "rugged" to "disconnected". 240's are old cars, and even with handling mods they are going to feel more "connected" because you can feel every bump, movement and twitch in the car. I just think compairing a C5 Vette to a 240 is unfair. Everyone knows a 240 is a cheap weekend play toy, it handles respectably with mods but mod for mod the C5 will beat it in pretty much every category. The only difference is asking price.

We could always argue like the RSX guys do: C5 Interior > 240 interior. LOL

[fiznat]

Couple things:

-You have close to $15k in a 250rwhp SR powered 240?? Where did all your money go? I had a 430rwhp KA-T for a few grand less than that, and I raced + beat a number of C5 vettes.

-Comparing a completely custom, built-from-the-ground-up 13 year old car to a professionally engineered $35k+ 5 year old car is at best apples to oranges. Half the joy I took from my car came from the fact that I knew I built it myself. Any joker can go out and drop 20k on an out-of-the-box package. I made my car what it is, and thats a huge plus for me.

And its threads like this (and the seeming billions of 15 year olds) that keep me from being a regular here......

And your contriubutions to this board have been...?

[Jookmasta]

well that newbie to the forum definitely posted some misinformation in his first post. u obviously need to do more reading before assuming no one knows what their engine has been through. my dad was the original owner of the car and now i am the owner. um we have changed the oil on the car and taken care of all maintenance issues that have arisen.............so yes i know what my motor has been through. as for reliability, i have 152K on the odometer and its still running strong. u need to get ur facts str8 before making such broad statements. y turbo a 240? um maybe because thats what i have. y use the ka engine? um maybe because thats what i have. u really need be a bit more realistic. some of us have money, others dont. does that mean the ones with money dont make mistakes? probably not (even though they can afford to avoid them).

as for the v8's. they just arent unique to me. daily driving will make u think they are unique but when u go to the track, there is ALWAYS more domestics (at least where i am). plus is there really a challenge in working on a domestic? i think 10K and a up to date issue of summit racing catalog would probably put me at around 800hp with a v8. lol.

i will say they are fast but y do u think some people would rather build a sailboat in a bottle as supposed to just building a sailboat out of legos with step by step instructions..............

[nissanfanatic]

I did my 240 because thats what I wanted. I have no desire to own any domestic vehicle...

Matter of fact, the only other car I really have a desire to own is a MKIV TT supra.

[dj_hype]

i'm messing with my 240 because i blew the motor in my r/c car and decided i needed something else to spend my money on

haha

[GhostDrifter]

lol

[babowc]

i have to say.. it isnt really "fair" to compare the c5 or any type of "high-end" sports car to a 240sx..but, like somoene said, 240sx is a weekend playtoy, although its my DD... most 240sxs are at least 7 and at most 17 years old.. probably rusting, frame was under stress, etc etc.

240sx only got popular lately (last 2-3 years) when the "drift enthusiasts" found out about our relatively cheap, FR, unlimited parts, relatively light and the pretty "okay" weight dist.

not to bash on the 240sx, but if i had the choice to buy another car, i'd most likely go with a s2000 or a well maintained, clean, stock rx7, although rx7s are just as old and maybe even older than few 240sxs.

i have to say, our cars our built well, but its no superior quality like some cars out there.

btw.. $20k into a 240 and running 250hp?.. are you just being conservative? or is that the truth.....

[JDMEnthused]

You call me a newbie and im not plain and simple.

Modified by DaRkSiDe at 10:39 AM 11/19/2005

the first step in getting rid of your denial is first realizing it.

[240TweakerNewbee]

The hp is not an estimate, I have the dyno to prove it.. my cost is wrong, I was quoting my quicken auto cost for this year so far, which included the purchase for my yamaha FZR 1000 motorcycle, and some parts for that as well, which came to about $4k... as well as some parts for my 98 Altima...

so realistically Ive thrown between $8-9k into my 240sx. Which may not be a great deal in some peoples opinions but try and find a car with 250whp for $8k, that is reasonably reliable. Plus the fact that I have done 90% of the work myself which is priceless when it comes to maintaining it or getting out of a jam when something goes wrong.

[S14tat]

well just make you feel better, as it was stated earlier. a LS1 C5 vette does not put down 280whp. if it did it would be an extremely unhealthy one. LS1 vettes average 310whp. so he has 60 more whp then you and better gearing. so you would need to weight more then 600lbs less then him to make up the deficiet.

[Jookmasta]

so ur saying u put i 8-9K for 250whp..............still isnt adding up to me IMO unless that costs includes the price of the car......

[fiznat]

...and suspension?

[babowc]

again, 8-9k for 250whp isnt much.. unless you've upgraded suspension, interior, sound system?, wheels, hp mods, paint job, etc. etc..

most everything i listed could be done yourself, except the paint job, unless you have a paint booth(?) room(?)..

anyways, 250 reliable hp is nonetheless great, but 250 reliable hp for almost 9k is a bit conservative or.. just odd

[240TweakerNewbee]

motor swap with all the parts; stage 2 clutch, radiator, motor/transmission (1996 S-14 sr20) was $5k all by itselfIts not hard to eat up another $3k in FMIC, Cusco Sway bars, Bushings, Tension Rods, Adjustable upper links, Fabrication for the BOV + BOV, ignition booster & spitfire coil packs, hyper grounding, N1 exhaust, Front & Rear sturt bars, Torque damper, SFMIC2, gauges... Im sure I forgot something.. but you get the picture.I dont care if you got all that stuff wholesale, its going to be at least $3k.And I live in the ripoff capital of the US... California

[babowc]

ooh.. you had a sr.. i see..

[fiznat]

alright, well... I think this thread has had it's blaze of glory- time to put it to rest.

RIP.