S2K, Boxter, Miata, or 370Z 'vert?

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S2K, Boxter, or Miata?

Boxter
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7%
Miata
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S2000
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370Z Roadster
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MRS
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Got into a good drinking argument this weekend and wanted to hear some more opinions.

Which convertible would you want to daily drive everyday (regardless of where you live) and why? This could be your primary or secondary car for summer.

Consider everything.
- style, refinement, drivability
- pros and cons of the stock (but upgradeable) vehicle
- cost of maintenance and repairs; tires, fuel, components
- your mechanical ability to maintain the car
- cost of entry vs mods (turbos, suspension, wheels, etc)
- how often you actually take your ride to the track
- value, bang-for-your-buck

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S2000 for me. While I love all of the ones mentioned, aside from the MR-S, I think the S2K would put the biggest grin on my face for a daily driver. Plus they're reasonably priced, have a ton of aftermarket support, have great looks, roomier than a Miata, and 'cause 9k redline!

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I think I'd have to consider the S2K or Z. I've driven a Z, but not an S2k. Both cars have reliable drivetrains and are nearly track ready in their stock form. The S2k, Z, and boxster all have similar performance, so in order for the MRS or Miata to have comparable performance you have to modify it decently.

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elwesso wrote:I think I'd have to consider the S2K or Z. I've driven a Z, but not an S2k. Both cars have reliable drivetrains and are nearly track ready in their stock form. The S2k, Z, and boxster all have similar performance, so in order for the MRS or Miata to have comparable performance you have to modify it decently.
Ah, but would you rather spend the extra cost on a track ready car, or make up the cost modifying the MRS or Miata?

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I'd rather spend the money to get an already capable vehicle, then continue to improve it even more as time goes on. Why buy something that you know won't meet your expectations from the beginning?

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I agree. I own a heavily modified car, and if there's something else that will perform as well that's stock, I'd prefer to have that.

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Tough. As a Daily, I would have to say the Z. If you are talking mostly track car, I would pit the Miata against all else.

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I actually made this decision in 2003 (though not for convertibles), and it was very easy. 350Z/370z. But in all fairness, I was not after a DD, I wanted a turn key track day fun car that was comfortable to drive on the street. If you're thinking about doing track days, I'd go for a coupe, as you'd most likely have to invest $$ in a roll bar to be allowed on track in a 'vert.

S2K was my #2, a delightful car, well made, awesome track manners, nice transmission and pedal placement, reliable and easy on gas. The two things that moved me away from it was it's lack of low end torque and I didn't care for its dash layout, plus it was only available as a vert.

Boxster: Probably the best driving car of the bunch, especially the S version. But the fear of higher post warranty repair costs, and lower reliability (particularly the older ones that see track use), plus a premium in price made me look elsewhere.

Miata: It's a car that never fails to put a smile on my face. It's an ideal little track car, and I'd probably own one if I could fit in them. I can fit fine in a stock one for street use. But unfortunately for track use, you need a rollbar, and to get one to fit me and have the rollbar fit under the convertible when closed requires race seats, which are not so good for street use. I know a lotta people that use their little Zoom-zooms as full time track cars, but very few use them as dual purpose cars. The down side is the lack of power and having to listen to the ill-informed people who call them chick cars. But the fun factor, handling, reliability and cheap cost to own/repair make it a very compelling choice if you fit.

MRS: Uh, what? That last generation MR2 was probably the LEAST sportiest of all the MR2's. Granted they are easy to drive, light and nimble, but you're thinking of doing track days, IMHO the best MR-2 worth considering is the '01-'02 MR-2 turbo. The ones that look like mini-Ferrari's. THOSE are wonderful dual purpose cars. Think of them as a Lotus Elise that you can actually climb in/out of. Go kart handling, quick, reliable. I know two guys that track theirs, I've driven one of them, and they are awesome.

I bought my 350z as it was a turn key track day fun car. It's not the fastest car out there but it's fast enough to have fun and keep up with the modded car crowd. It's got plenty of low end grunt (which is ideal for street use), and very predictable handling, it's also reasonable on gas and reliable. It's also got a/c, heated leather, power everything so it's comfortable too. I've got over 200 track days on mine, and it's stock except for a stoptech brake upgrade. It might not be as nimble as an S2K but it's a very easy car to drive fast, and all the nannies can be turned off with one button.

Since you are interested in RWD fun cars, you might also consider any of these:

RX8
or better yet FD RX-7
M3 or Mcoupe
BMW 1M
Boss 302 Laguna Sega
C5 Z06 (they're affordable now)

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Bubba1 wrote:
Miata: It's a car that never fails to put a smile on my face. It's an ideal little track car, and I'd probably own one if I could fit in them. I can fit fine in a stock one for street use. But unfortunately for track use, you need a rollbar, and to get one to fit me and have the rollbar fit under the convertible when closed requires race seats, which are not so good for street use.

Does this still apply to the newer NC models that have stock hoops (I'm fairly certain they're pretty strong) or cars like the 3 series 'verts that have roll bars that pop up in the event of an accident?

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frapjap wrote: Does this still apply to the newer NC models that have stock hoops (I'm fairly certain they're pretty strong) or cars like the 3 series 'verts that have roll bars that pop up in the event of an accident?

Depends on the type of event, track and/or organizer. Autocrossing commonly allow verts without rollbars. but not most big track HPDE's. the main issue is head clearance. It's called the broomstick rule: need at least 2" between the top of your helmet and bottom of the rollbar. Most of those OEM hoops are too low, especially when wearing a helmet. FWIW, many manufacturers are moving away from fabric top verts and going with retractable hard tops which is quickly making it a non-issue. When on the track, you simply close the roof.

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frapjap wrote:
elwesso wrote:I think I'd have to consider the S2K or Z. I've driven a Z, but not an S2k. Both cars have reliable drivetrains and are nearly track ready in their stock form. The S2k, Z, and boxster all have similar performance, so in order for the MRS or Miata to have comparable performance you have to modify it decently.
Ah, but would you rather spend the extra cost on a track ready car, or make up the cost modifying the MRS or Miata?
"Track Ready" and "Daily Driver" do not go hand in hand. Do some people do it? Yes. Do I recommend it? Not ever. I dont even drive my Vette and it's a Stock-class autocross vehicle.

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Another car missing from your list is the unloved 996 Porsche 911 from 1998-2004. Higher mile 6spd coupes and convertibles are available for under 15k. Once you get used to the substandard interior appointments (for the original sticker anyhow) and the mistake pod/friedegg headlights your still driving a 911 and that is not bad.

The week points are the intermediate shaft and the water pump. Look for a higher miles car with a owner who babied it and has at least 3 years of service records.

I almost buy a 996 every month...

**edited to add, I clicked the Boxster. its no secret I hate Honda's, the S2k is fun to drive until you drive anything else on your list back to back and you'll wonder where the torque is hiding. The Miata is awesome to drive out handles many cars costing much more. I'm too tall for a Miata the windsheild frame is deep into my field of vision and I feel like a giant, its exactly like drinking from a 7 ounce Corona bottle.

The 370z is way exspensive compared to the other cars, for the same money get a C5 Z06 like someone else mentioned.

Mr2 only belongs if your also considering a Del Sol or a Civic SI

Another car that handles okay but is quick in a straight line is the BMW M roadster look for a 315 hp 2001-2002 and you will LOVE IT!

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gwoods wrote: The 370z is way exspensive compared to the other cars, for the same money get a C5 Z06 like someone else mentioned.
C5Z can be had for about 20k, they get 30 mpg and are outstanding vehicles. There is your thread.

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Mods can you go ahead and close this thread its done?

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gwoods wrote:Mods can you go ahead and close this thread its done?
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Weird, but for me it's probably down to the S2000 or MRS. Why? Because I'm not going to buy something "normal" if I'm buying a sporty 'vert. The Z just isn't enough car, especially for the money. And the Miata's a blast but honestly a little too...sane. And as for the Boxster...that car is about the performance, not the top, which means you buy a Cayman instead. And since this is a poll about Verts, the Cayman is out, and I think an S2000 or an MRS with some mods would be a great second car.

And, btw, I don't buy "summer cars." If I buy a car it's getting driven. It's not getting stored or covered or winterized. Driven. If I bought an S2k or an MRS, I'd drive it in 4 inches of snow and I'd smile all the way. I might turn the heat down and put the top up if it's actively snowing.

The MRS would definitely need some mods to get it where I'd want it (primarily wheels and tires...what idiot at Toyota decided to sell it with such tiny rubber?!), but I could absolutely enjoy owning one.

The S2k is kinda ready out of the box. One of my favorite interiors ever, too. So in the end I'd probably go S2k. But I'd test drive some MRSs along the way.

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MinisterofDOOM wrote:The S2k is kinda ready out of the box. One of my favorite interiors ever, too. So in the end I'd probably go S2k. But I'd test drive some MRSs along the way.

:tisk: you normally are so right

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I need a good counter to my dependable, conservative, RWD V8 luxury sedan. The Z and Miata just don't fit that bill.

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I buy cars for travel, so much of it would come down to seating comfort, ride quality, and fuel economy.

In that price range, I think I could get a decent C5 vert.

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S2K, no contest.

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http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ct ... 98036.html

2007 Cayman S 6spd manual with 39k miles for 21k obo in Cali...

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I've driven at least 1 version of everything on this list. I was least impressed with the Toyota. 'Yota out.
I really like the looks of the new boxter. It is pretty stunning, and the performance is there. Half of owning a car for me though is working on it myself. I don't want to be a slave to a dealership, and the Porsche lacks that aspect for me. I might be able to get used to it, maybe not. The repair prices are pretty crazy too. Boxter would be an "if I had the means" vehicle. I'd buy one if one was for sale for a smoking deal. Something tells me I wouldn't keep it long though.

370 roadster looks like butt cheeks with the top up, is way expensive, and Nissan's top quality is questionable (there have been more than a few threads on here of tops being completely shagged after only about 2 years, and Nissan, of course, not wanting to fix/warranty them).

So where does that leave us? S2k vs Miata. I'll be honest, when I was shopping for a vert, I had to struggle not to buy an S2000. I was looking at a blue 2008 model. It hauled a**. It handled awesome. It was tight and built really well. It also came with a car payment.
I was looking at Miatas at the same time. They are much more plentiful, however most of them were beat on, or weren't fixed correctly after an accident. The prices varied a lot too. I figured for the price I found mine at (which was in good nick...more or less), I could build it to destroy an S2000.

That being said, if I found a deal on an S2000 like I found on my Miata, I'd be driving it. I voted S2000 here.

So if modifying is your thing, Miata is king. If you're rich and don't like to touch your car's mechanicals, go with the Boxter. If you're somewhere in between (change your own oil, general maintenance, etc), S2000.

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I haven't driven an S2K or a Boxter but the Miata and Z are both ridiculously fun to drive. I do have to echo the C5 option though. Ours was a stock C5 Vette that we immediately added Z06 suspension to, much bigger tires, and upgraded the header / exhaust. Our gas mileage plummeted but the capability of the car was incredible. If I was having to pick a daily, I'd pick the C5, leave it stock (except for bigger tires) and put 300,000 miles on it. Done and done. If I'm picking from your list, the Miata.

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PapaSmurf2k3 wrote: I figured for the price I found mine at (which was in good nick...more or less), I could build it to destroy an S2000.
Destroy at huh? Who are you beating with what and where now? Claims like that are neato but backing it up is much harder.

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Question for the OP: Have you driven the cars on your list? I've driven pretty much every car suggested in this thread on track. If you have, I'm not surprised the S2K is a finalist. I'm just curious how a rather mundane MRS is even made the list? As a street only DD, I think they'd be great, but there's a reason why you almost never see that gen MR 2 at a track day.


I think I'm the one who first brought up the C5, but I feel I must clarify. I agree C5 Z06's are wonderful dual purpose cars. In fact I'd love to have one myself as a track day car (C6 is even better ;)) . But I part ways with the others in that I would not recommend a C5 Z06 to anyone as their first track car. If you're experienced, that's a whole different story. The z06's big performance and tenacious cold grip is intoxicating and can be confidence inspiring to an inexperienced driver, especially on the street. But on a race track, those virtues can get downright dangerous when you reach its limits at the connsiderably higher speeds. That is, unless you know what you're doing and have enough practice on track dealing with it.

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I'll take something with a V8 plz. The used Vette would be my pick over those listed as well. When I think of a vehicle that seats two, I think Corvette. Excellent to drive daily and better than any antidepressant a Dr can prescribe when it comes to putting a smile on your face.

From the list, Miata.

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S2000 hands down. The 370z COUPE is a great car and that would be a no brainer, but the roadster looks like butt soup.

I've been wanting to become a Honda owner for a while now (see Honda's involvement in motorsports), and one of my friends here has an S2000. I've driven it on multiple occasions and really its not lacking anything. The interior is a little too "cozy" but the AP2 interior is designed to where the car kind of hugs the driver. The stock sound is magnificent (all you have to do is take the air box cover off), power from like 3k to 8k, vtak, looks gorgeous, handles like a freaking dream. Yeah, no brainer.

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Bubba1 wrote:Question for the OP: Have you driven the cars on your list? I've driven pretty much every car suggested in this thread on track. If you have, I'm not surprised the S2K is a finalist. I'm just curious how a rather mundane MRS is even made the list? As a street only DD, I suppose they're fine, but there's a reason why you almost never see that gen MR 2 at a track day.


I think I'm the one who first brought up the C5, but I feel I must clarify. I agree C5 Z06's are wonderful dual purpose cars. In fact I'd love to have one myself as a track day car (C6 is even better ;)) . But I part ways with the others in that I would not recommend a C5 Z06 to anyone as their first track car. If you're experienced, that's a whole different story. The z06's big performance and tenacious cold grip is intoxicating and can be confidence inspiring to an inexperienced driver, especially on the street. But on a race track, those virtues can get downright dangerous when you reach its limits at the connsiderably higher speeds. That is, unless you know what you're doing and have enough practice on track dealing with it.
Bubba1 wrote: Depends on the type of event, track and/or organizer. Autocrossing commonly allow verts without rollbars. but not most big track HPDE's. the main issue is head clearance. It's called the broomstick rule: need at least 2" between the top of your helmet and bottom of the rollbar. Most of those OEM hoops are too low, especially when wearing a helmet. FWIW, many manufacturers are moving away from fabric top verts and going with retractable hard tops which is quickly making it a non-issue. When on the track, you simply close the roof.
So in that sentence, is a C5 'vert commonly allowed on a big track? I'm guessing probably not, by those standards, but you've seen WAY more track time that I'll probably ever see in my life.

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frapjap wrote: So in that sentence, is a C5 'vert commonly allowed on a big track? I'm guessing probably not, by those standards, but you've seen WAY more track time that I'll probably ever see in my life.
You are correct. Corvettes are a common sight on track days, but not the 'vert version. If you're an enthusiast simply looking for some track days to have fun with your car, a ragtop convertible is gonna cost you more money than a coupe, but for just the first event, in order to get thru tech.

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