s14 swaybars ST or stock ???

[2.240s]

I have just added ST swaybars on my 95 s14 , now i have noticed understeer for the front and oversteer in the rear. I do not have the se model so it only had a front stock swaybar.my question is should i go with the stock front & rear ? And would this help my issue?Anybody been thru this set up?

[hannibal]

What do you mean by 'understeer for the front and oversteer in the rear'? The car either pushes (understeer) or overrotates (oversteer). Which one?

[C-Kwik]

I ran ST swaybars when I had my S14 and they were pretty good. Much more responsive than stock. Stiffer swaybars tend to help reduce oversteer in cars with front strut suspensions(which the 240 has). Reduces the positive camber gain. It was still an issue at the track, but much better than stock.

[2.240s]

Both , stiffer bars have created a little more push in the front (understeer) . And a little more (oversteer) in the rear ,overrotate. What do you not understand? Thats how. Both.

[hannibal]

In a given situation, either the front or rear breaks away first. Thats what determines under/oversteer. If both ends lose grip at the same time, its called 'neutral'. Great for sliding sideways...

Please learn the definitions. The front cant oversteer and the rear cant understeer. So it makes no sense to specify understeer in the front and oversteer in the rear.

To help answer your question, I'd grab a set of SE sways and see how they compare to the ST bars.

[Q45tech]

The real definition has to do with the steering wheel vs front tire slip angle

If optimum traction occurs with a tire slip angle of 6 degrees, then understeer would have the front tire turned so the slip angle is greater than 6 degrees.

Say 2.5 turns [900 degrees] lock to lock swings the tire +- 35 degrees so 90 degrees on steering wheel = 5 degrees of tire movement IF you turn the steering wheel 90 degrees and the car doesn't tract 5 degrees you have understeer.

If you turn the steering wheel 90 degrees and you track [the car turns]more than 5 degrees you have oversteer.

Oem designs use an overly stiff and progressive [as the mounting bushings compress] front sway bar to induce UNDERSTEER......the springs are ususally balanced to match the front/rear weight ratio............The understeer is there to protect untrained drivers from turning and accelerating in rain and snow when on a RWD the rear must share friction with that required to accelerate.

If you power out of the apex the tail hangs out from the power induced oversteer because the rear has so little turning friction compared to accelerating friction

[hannibal]

I'm corrected by Q45tech yet again. Thanks!

[2.240s]

I appreciate everybodys knowledge,I only wondered if anybody out there had a similar issue with upgrading swaybars on the S14. I understand this is one piece to the suspension puzzleAll i know is there is good and bad in every upgrade its a give and take. I said i have noticed a little more of this and a little more of that,no where in my writing did i state understeering and oversteering at the same time, thats what we would call a four wheel drift.

[C-Kwik]

I have to wonder if you might be over-driving the car. Most cars will end up in terminal understeer when trying to take a turn too fast. Oversteer can simply be induced by mashing the throttle in most situations. No car can be driven beyond the limits and expect not to understeer or oversteer to some degree. Even a balanced car will experience these conditions when over-driven.