S14 convertion...

[Audi180]

I am about to purchase a 200sx s14 instead of my Audi...

the problem is, that there are only 10 200sx's in israel.3 manuals, and 7 auto's...

The one that i am about to buy, is an auto, cause the manuals are'nt for sale for any price.

My question is, How can i convert it into a manual one?, and how much time will it take?, I also thought of the possibility toput a RB31DET in it, Is it possible?

Thanks for all of your help!!!

[crzycav86]

I'd much rather get a bimmer if I was in your area..

[NISTECH]

try posting this in 240 technical or search there. your car is a 240 in the us and is commonly converted to a 200sx s14.

[Audi180]

I have a 330 bimmer too 10X...

So there is no difference between 200SX and 240SX?

[NISTECH]

the drive trains are different. but there are several guys here who convert them to silvia's. here in the US the 240 is model labeled S14

[EZcheese15]

I have a 330 bimmer too 10X...

So there is no difference between 200SX and 240SX?

Like Nistech said, the drivetrain is different (the 240SX uses a 2.4L engine instead of the 2.0L engine in the 200SX) but it's the same car.

The "200SX" in the U.S. is actually a B14 chassis, more commonly known throughout the world as the Sunny. Because most of our users are from the U.S., we tend to use American names for the products. I know, this can be very confusing.

But I'll move this to the 240 section for you, and we are glad to have you on-board! Let us know if you have any questions

[Audi180]

Ok, So let me see if I understood the thingThe 200SX comes with a 2.0L T engine.The 240SX Is the american model for the 200sx and have a 2.4L Tengine.They look the same, but have a different chasis?!and a different drivetrain?So, wich trani' is better, the 200sx's or the 240sx's?And will a 240sx's trani' will fit the 2.0L T engine?and... what is the procedure of converting the auto trani' to a stick one?

10X all for your help!, sorry for all of the questions, I'm a VAG man, I'm new to nissan... :-)

[karay240]

The 200sx has a SR20 (2.0 liter turbo engine). The 89-94 used the S13 chassis, while the newer 95-98 used the S14 chassis.The chassis was the same everywhere around the world (except in Japan where the S14 chassis was bumped to a higher tax bracket due to it's size. They kept selling the 180sx with the S13 chassis along with the Silvia--what you know to be the S14 200sx)Anyway, in the US, we got a underpowered, torque happy KA24 (a 2.4 liter 4 cylinder with 155-160hp--NON turbo) Try using the seach menu for the manual swap, but it's pretty straight forward. We're going to be doing one at our shop here in a little while, so I'll be able to give you first hand experience here in a couple days.

[Audi180]

10X for your answer...Now, how do I fit a skyline twin turbo engine into my car?In israel, we do not have skylines... It's my dream car.And it will be very easy to make the 200sx look like a R33...And the looks is not all that's important...It's allso needs to go like a skyline aswell...(a skyline with a t88 in it....) :-)

[Shnitz]

where in israel are you? all of my family is from there, my parents moved here to texas right before i was born. most of them are in the north though, i travel there almost every summer and live with all of them, most are in the north, i spend a lot of time in haifa. anyways, you can not easily get a skyline engine into the car, you will need to do some modifications, get a different transmission, etc. one of the big ones is that you will have to switch to single-turbo, which you seem to want to do with a t88 anyways. the best thing you can do in my opinion is modify your engine, considering all of the cars in israel are relatively small-engined you will be able to be a lot faster than everyone else with only simple bolt-ons. (the only decently fast cars i have seen there are a handful of subaru sti's, a new trans am, and a porsche carrerra) besides, there is basically no road in israel that you could use a t-88, with the lag you would have to wait a long time for your turbo to spool up and start working, and by the time that the turbo really started boosting they would be far enough ahead that they would reach the end of the road. last, how are you planning to do an engine swap like that? how will you get it registered for the roads, considering that they have strict inspections, what will you do when they dont see a 4-cylinder engine in there like the title says, and also the fact that the engine code on your car will not match the one stamped onto the block?

[Audi180]

First, i'm from the center of israel, Tel-Aviv Area, I spend a lot of time in haifa... I have a lot of friends in there...At the latest time, people with big engines has started tuning, I will never get their power on a small 2000 4 cyl' engine...That porsche carerra is 958 Dyno'd power...I need a lot to get her back!We also have one M Coupe, The only one in israel, with 535 Dyno'd powers...Anyways, I've heard it's possible to fit the engine, the things to do to get it there, is to replace the engine mount's and trani' mounts...I've saw on Ebay a skyline engine with trani' and ECU and harness, for 5500$, i would'nt mind to spend this price for a project like this...I just want to make sure it will work...BTW - You are more than welcome to talk with me when your in israel, and we can meet... you can allways E-Mail me on[email protected]About the licence, Israeli cops are dumb, The would'nt recon a cylinder if it's stuck in their eyes... about the test, they don't have a listing of cyl' number...

[karay240]

What's required for the RB swap is. . . RB25 transmissionCustom engine & transmission mounts and drive shaft (avail in the US)rewiring the wriring harnessand, of course, the RB25 or 26 enginea whole lot of chassis stiffening devices (aka roll cage and/or spot welding)--remember, the 200sx was most definately not designed for that much power, so depending on how much power you're going for, you'll need at least a R32 (Skyline) rear end.

Contrary to what Shnitz said, you CAN maintain the twin turbo set up. Which I would suggest if you remotely care about drivability (two HKS ball bearing turbos would be fairly streetable). The T-88 set up would most definately kill the low end.

It all depends on the budget you're working on, though. . .

[Audi180]

Can't I use an RB26 trani'?I have found a workshop http://www.mckinneymotorsports.comThey are selling motor mounts, trani' mounts, and wiring, For the s14 to rb26 convert.It's all sums to a 1500$, after taxes and shipments, i belive it will sums to 2500$.I need to find an engine in good condition...it will boubably cost 5000$ there, and 7000$ after taxes and shipment.I have that amount of money, the plan is to stay standart for a while, get used to the car's behavior, and engine behavior, and only then getting nut's...My goal is, to make it look like a skyline, making it drive like a mad skyline, and leaving the carrera far far behind...BTW - is the RB26 trani' is 6 gear?Can i use the rb26 trani' on my current engine?And... can you give me alittle more info about the rb26, and about my engine, how much power can it produce...

10sx for all of you :-)

[karay240]

only the new GTR transmission is Getrag 6 speed (the R34). The older models we're 5 speed. The reason I said to use the RB25 transmission was that the GTS transmissions (bell housing etc.) are physically smaller than that of the GTR. Though the GTR transmission is more durable, it will require you to alter your transmission tunnel. For roughly the same amount of money, you could just get the RB25 transmission, and switch the insides with stronger aftermarket parts like OS giken close ratio gear set (costs about $3000ish) Although I have not seen anyone use the RB26 transmission with the SR20, I have seen a combination of a SR20 with a RB25 transmission. I know of, at least, one company in Japan who makes an adapter kit. There's a company in the US who's developing one as we speak. The stock SR20 transmissions suck. . . The S14 transmission is the strongest of the 3 (S13-15), but it still lacks in durability. That's where the RB25 transmission comes in. The internals are the same as that of the 300ZX (Z32), and relatively durable even on a high horsepower 300Z (pretty much indetructible when mated to the SR20 with less torque)Before we start talkning about how much power a certain motor can produce, are there any tuners near where you live? By tuners, I mean, people who have experience with a dyno, and making alterations to a standalone ecu. . .

[Audi180]

Of course, All of my friends have strong cars...Most of them are using the HALTEC standalone system.Some uses the MOTEC standalone system...I am the only one who will be with a car that no one have...

So you say that I can fit the RB25 trani into the SR20 engine.But, if I wanna swap to a better engine, i can use a rb26 one with an rb26 trani'?how many gears do the rb25 have?what is the procedure of fitting one to SR20?Do anyone here wanna sell a good shape RB25 trani?

10x!

[karay240]

I'll have to see if and when the adapter kit for the RB25 transmission for the SR20 will be for sale in the US. . . The one in Japan is VERY over priced (2500 US $). The reason to do this seemingly overpriced conversion opposed to getting a sequential transmission is that IF you blow the transmission, you won't have to spend an ungodly amount of money getting another sequential transmission 'cause you can just go to a junkyard. Also, you won't lose the streetability of a stock transmission. I'm not sure if you've ever driven a car with dog gear transmission, but they're not fun to drive around town.

The RB25 transmission is a 5 speed. If you're planning on doing the RB26 swap on it anyway, I'd say hold off on the transmission conversion until the motor swap. You'll have plenty of time to mess with the auto to manual swap 'cause the motor swap requires you to send off the ecu to make the 200sx and the RB26 compatible).

If you do go through with what you said about the T-88, you will more than likely have transmission problems, though. . .