S13 Suspension Questions

[rawphusion]

The Goal of my suspension Upgrade is to Improve Handling and the Performance ability of the car sounds pretty simple. Primary results looking for from upgrade superior cornering ability mixed with maxim adjustability. Application of suspension mostly highway driving also with the ability to be put on race track. Done my research on all said suspension parts involved. Looked at a few write ups on sponsored cars JIC, Signal, and a few part reviews. Haven’t really seen a lot of info on forums involving people going in-depth on suspension thoughts other than coilovers. I’ve located most of the parts needed to make this stock suspension upgrade work. The plan is to replace the stock; Tension Rods, Toe Control Arm, Tie Rods, Traction Rod, Upper Arms. Most of these parts have camber adjustability on them. The sources I’m thinking about for these parts JIC Magic, Cusco, Tanabe. In addition I also plan on going with Whiteline replacement bushings for the front lower control arms, rear lower control arms and also upgrade to Whiteline front and rear Anti-sway bars, also Nismo power brace. I’m looking at going with JIC Magic’s JIC FLT A2 coilovers or Tanabe Sustec Pro DD. I wondering with all these upgraded parts will I only make the suspension rock hard or will I actually be improving the handling and performance of the vehicle. The Wheel and Tire package I’m thinking of is something like a 17x9 or 17X11 with 275/40/17 rubber. I did see a thread about some Tein tie rods but not much more. Just looking at what most of the guys I know do they dump all there money in the engine and turbo build this 400-600hp monster 180SX or Silvia but I've they don't do much to improve the handling. I would perfer the speed as well as the handling. Think about it 350-400Hp under the hood pumped out by a SR20 and the suspesion agility of a Porsche. Well you kind of see what I’m after. Any thoughts?:help :help :help

[[s3]]

Got money?

[rawphusion]

Money's not the issue quality suspension is. So far I think with out the coilovers the suspension parts are like 1500

[[s3]]

"Think about it 350-400Hp under the hood pumped out by a SR20 and the suspesion agility of a Porsche."

Lets see

1) SR20DET Engine (~$2000-$3000)2) Turbo upgrade kit (~$2500)3) Intercooler (FMIC) (~$1000)4) Radiator upgrade ($300)5) Brake kit (~$800-$1200)

Basic bolt onsIntake/exhaust ($600)

I didn't mention all the misc. little things like boost controller, fuel computer, blow off valve, etc etc

You're heading towards $10K+ thats not including labor.

For quality suspension, you might wanna take a look here.

http://www.srswap.com/ht_suspension.htm

I don't think 1500 will cover all the things you listed.

[rawphusion]

All parts minus coilovers is 2000.00 add another 1500 and you got 3500 in suspension parts. However is going to complement your S13.5 upgrade and your S14 SR20 engine install. If you going to spend 3000.00 to 4000.00 for an engine why not spend atleast the same to help you straighten out those roads.

[[s3]]

All parts minus coilovers is 2000.00 add another 1500 and you got 3500 in suspension parts. However is going to complement your S13.5 upgrade and your S14 SR20 engine install. If you going to spend 3000.00 to 4000.00 for an engine why not spend atleast the same to help you straighten out those roads.

So what was your question again? So you read all about it, priced it all out, know all the advantages of having a good suspension and balanced power.

So whats stopping you from building your 300-350HP Porsche handling S13?

[rawphusion]

THis THread is about the ride quality. All ready know how much the project is going to run. I'm in japan so I all ready have pulled 3 SR20DET's allready. Parts are everywhere overhere used and new. All work done by myself. Probally will still be a 5000 or 7000 car but if you dump all that money in the engine and you just do the basic to the suspension. Think about it

[rawphusion]

Just was looking for Suspension trains of thoght? and what others think of the layout of the suspension and if I moving in the right direction

[[s3]]

Well if you're in japan, ask around. Tons of great tuners/drifters that know plenty about the S13's suspension limits.

Track down that guy Tsuchiya, the drift King and ask him.

Yea japan is a world of difference, SR parts are cheap as heck. I wouldn't even bother wasting $ building a S13 when I can just spend $10k-$20k american for a used Supra, RX7, Skyline, or whatever, but then again its your project.

have fun.

[rawphusion]

don't want to drift want performance, this plan was given to me by a local, but like i say I've never heard of anyone doing this much suspension work.

Don't like Skylines, or Rx7's like S13's

[rawphusion]

Little fact 3 out of every tuned car you see is a S13 only other car with as big as a cult following is the Toy AE86

[raging panda]

I don't have first hand experience with all the parts you have listed, and neither do 80% of the people on these forums. You are going absolutely all out on a fully solid suspension, and nobody can answer correctly as to how it will come out because none of us have done it. From what I can gather, your ride will be absolutely harsh. I have heard that Japanese roads are smoother than american roads so it might not be so hard on you, but it will still be rought and you will feel every bump I'm sure. Basically you have suspension for a track car. You havent told us what your direction is with this, do you want a track car/daily driver/weekend racer, whatever. This sounds like a car you would drive to the track and race, but wouldn't drive daily. The suspension would be stiffer than a stock porsche I would think. Also the 400 or so horsepower would put you a little ways above some porsche models. You might want to add brakes and LSD to that list you have up there. Definately cheaper than a porche though. Like I said, few of us have first hand experience with all the pieces you have named, so everything I have said has come from whatever I read, so it might not all be true. Hope that helps.

[[s3]]

I don't have first hand experience with all the parts you have listed, and neither do 80% of the people on these forums. You are going absolutely all out on a fully solid suspension, and nobody can answer correctly as to how it will come out because none of us have done it. From what I can gather, your ride will be absolutely harsh. I have heard that Japanese roads are smoother than american roads so it might not be so hard on you, but it will still be rought and you will feel every bump I'm sure. Basically you have suspension for a track car. You havent told us what your direction is with this, do you want a track car/daily driver/weekend racer, whatever. This sounds like a car you would drive to the track and race, but wouldn't drive daily. The suspension would be stiffer than a stock porsche I would think. Also the 400 or so horsepower would put you a little ways above some porsche models. You might want to add brakes and LSD to that list you have up there. Definately cheaper than a porche though. Like I said, few of us have first hand experience with all the pieces you have named, so everything I have said has come from whatever I read, so it might not all be true. Hope that helps.

Kill this thread now, don't waste your time.

[Chingon]

or...i'll tell you what, you could spend those 1500 to make your "s13" road/emission/street/insurance legal in japan, or pay for a month of parking space....how 'bout that?

[raging panda]

What are you guys talking about? He asked a question and you didn't once answer it. Why should this thread be killed, I would like to know what the ride quality on the street is with all the solid/urethane bushings, I plan on doing something like this on my s13.

[Chingon]

If you are considering doing such upgrades and don't know how ride quality will be....then you need to read more...that's all.

[[s3]]

What are you guys talking about? He asked a question and you didn't once answer it. Why should this thread be killed, I would like to know what the ride quality on the street is with all the solid/urethane bushings, I plan on doing something like this on my s13.

The problem is, he partially knows that he's going to have a harsh ride since he's already done his research. He's just looking for people in the states that have all the parts he listed.

Simple answer would be it'll handle great, but just deal with the harsh ride and don't complain later.

Kill thread now.