S13 Stance Coilover Review

[onosqv]

KTS aren't really bouncy at all on any settings over 3/3. Stiff? yes.... but not bouncy.

I think a lot of people mistake the constant chassis movement that is a result of stiff springs for bouncyness.

When I go over bumps and whatnot, the dampers compress and rebound. They don't occilate at all, hence not bouncy.

Guess it's something else in my setup then... .

I've went in other cars w/ coilovers - my buddies 240sx w/ nearly same setup except he has apexi coilovers, and s2000 w/ coils, scion w/ coils, and a variety of other ones... in their cars, it feels exactly like u described - stiff not bouncy... in my car for some reason, it's stiff & bouncy... i'll be ripping my suspension apart in a week anyway, i'll see if anything changes.

[Frank@TotalFunction]

Its also nice that they come with an extra set of springs, but how are the shocks valved? Are they meant more for the 8/6 or 9/7 setup?

According to SPL's site, KTS's have 38mm pistons in the front and 48mm pistons in the rear. Are the Stance, 46mm all around?

In regards to warranties, I know SPL has the thing for the KTS where you can pay like 550 or something to have all new shocks sent and they'll service them for you if needed. Does Touge Factory or Enjuku or any other distributor have anything like this?

The shocks are initially valved for the 8/6 setup (this is the spring that come pre-installed) but the shock is able to withstand variations of 2-3 kg/mm because it is valved so well. You will not notice any decrease in performance by installing the optional set of springs.

And yes you can have new shocks sent to you. The mounts, shocks, and brackets are all available for low (under $200/part) prices.

Send me a PM if you wanna get some.

[180fan]

Sorry I couldn't get the picts up by monday. work called me in.

[stevespeed]

does anyone know how these compare to the tein superdrift setup?

[180fan]

here are the pictures of the fronts

[180fan]

pic 2

[180fan]

and pic 3

[180fan]

I'll get around to posting the rear soon enough. Just not enough time to get all that stuff done along with all the prep work for 4th of July stuff. Aaaack!!!

[zero_gripS13]

The shocks are initially valved for the 8/6 setup (this is the spring that come pre-installed) but the shock is able to withstand variations of 2-3 kg/mm because it is valved so well. You will not notice any decrease in performance by installing the optional set of springs.

And yes you can have new shocks sent to you. The mounts, shocks, and brackets are all available for low (under $200/part) prices.

Send me a PM if you wanna get some.

wrong .. they are initially valved for the 9/7 but out of 8/6 9/7 10/8 they fealt 8/6 was best compromise for street/track...TF help design these with testing.. they changed alot..from the origninal design.. one peice rear pillowball from original multipeice.. plus valving changes..

check Z ilvia

http://www.Z ilvia.com/f/showt...age=3

read from TogueFactory

"Hello,

I will try to answer most of the questions in regarding our coilovers.

Stance was developed with testing, redesigning, improving, and re-engineering. We have also learned during that time what is important in building top of the line coilover system.

Internal parts have to be developed within extremely high tolerances. Also the raw material used have to be high quality in order to be able to do this. Alot of the cheaper manufacturers do not have the capability to even mimick these things. Thats why they are cheap. Stance is developed at ISO certified facility with the highest standards in the industry.

All the coilovers are dyno tested for low speed and high speed force vs velocity for proper valving. What makes good coilovers and bad coilover is the dampening. Even tho there are many decent quality coilovers at low price, it takes a proper know-how to valve a coilover. This is not something that can be replicated or developed. Stance is developed with testing,research and experience.

S13 and S14 models have been developed and re-engineered to our specs, here are some of the notable things.

- We use 175mm springs on the front to allow extra range of adjusment(most coilovers uses 200mm-240mm). Rear shock body is short but we used extra long bottom bracket to allow very big range of adjusment. This allows you to lower your car very low or drive at stock height.

- We had some problems with top pillowball mount clunking with prototype after some hard use. So we have changed original multi piece mount to a more expensive 1 piece unit.

- S13 & S14 models are valved for 9k/7k springs. So we're not just throwing in the 9k/7k springs for sh*ts and giggles. Reason why it comes with 8k/6k standard is that from our experience with 8/6,9/7, 10/8 springs, we feel 8/6 is the best compromise rate for street and track.

Hope this answers most of the questions you may have.

Please contact us for more info.

Thank you"

hope that helps

[URAS]

wrong .. they are initially valved for the 9/7 but out of 8/6 9/7 10/8 they fealt 8/6 was best compromise for street/track...TF help design these with testing.. they changed alot..from the origninal design.. one peice rear pillowball from original multipeice.. plus valving changes..

check Z ilvia

http://www.Z ilvia.com/f/showt...age=3

read from TogueFactory

We have also learned during that time what is important in building top of the line coilover system.

Top of the line..... are they dreaming?

[empreez]

In my best English:

I just recieved the GR+ Pro coilovers, look great.

I have a problem with adjusting the height on the front pair. When I turn the shaft downwards the thread from the shock (seen from a-top while looking at the camber plate) recedes about an inch or two. Isn't it supposed to remain at the same height? What am I doing wrong, should I completely undo the lock-nut on top before adjusting and then tighten after adjusting?

[empreez]

I figured it out. The problem had something to do with beer, late at night and being the impatient douche I am.

(or srewing the coil downwards)

[D1slyderstyle]

OK so what im getting from this thread is that the Stance are the better choice?

[stevespeed]

They are a bit on the bouncy side after hitting a lot of bumps but that could just be my car with how its setup, I have the GR+Pros F 16/16 R 16/16 and 8kg F and 7Kg R with KA and crappy all season tires, but they are rediculously stiff coilovers. Delivers a very very very harsh ride for a car that is driven more often but it works great on the track.

[boriquaS13]

I love my stance coils they a bit bouncy but acceptalble, very prediictable at high speeds and they feel solid in turns at high speed. Haven't tried to drift with them yet I still need lsd and more horsepower to do that. Hope this helps.

[musashin]

maybe if you didnt have them on their harshest settings they wouldnt be quite so harsh. hm?

[Fenvy]

maybe if you didnt have them on their harshest settings they wouldnt be quite so harsh. hm?

lol

I have this coilover too, I shouldn't have adjusted the height after 1 week, I think it took my car 2 months to settle since it is not a daily driver

now I need to raise it back up this weekend IF I find the time to...

[musashin]

so, do you like them? worth the money?

[94_240sx]

so, do you like them? worth the money?

I have them too. Totally worth the money. I love them.

[nieko]

definately and totally worth the money!!! and honestly i htink ppl complain about harshness to much.. im running the 9k in the front and 7k in the back thinking about putting the 8 in the back. i really dont think its that harsh at all? or maybe i was just expecting it to be way worse than it really is hahahidk, i just love them +3423425680345 34058 for stance gr+ pros

[Fenvy]

so, do you like them? worth the money?

I am not qualified to answer that since it is my 1st set of coilovers.

[musashin]

sure youre qualified. do you like them and think that theyre worth the money you paid? not necessarily compared to others, you know?

[thenillaz]

If you research enough you'll find stance is a big favorate, powered by max, kts. Choose your pick, in the end a $1000 coilover is a $1000 coilover. Thier mostly the same.

[Fenvy]

sure youre qualified. do you like them and think that theyre worth the money you paid? not necessarily compared to others, you know?

I raised the car back up on saturday and now it handles around corners at high speed very well. Given the chance, I would go with it again.

[240sxs13sleeper]

i got stance gr+pro also .. and i love them.. my car is slammed and wil post pix up later tomorrow .. but one thing still bothers me.. the front coilovers .. for the top nut, the big golden one... it seem like the nut can only thread half way.. and thats the most i can screw it down.. i was wondering if this is normal.? and if its safe like that.. ? looks like i will unscrew itself.

[94_240sx]

the front coilovers .. for the top nut, the big golden one... it seem like the nut can only thread half way.. and thats the most i can screw it down.. i was wondering if this is normal.? and if its safe like that.. ?

That's no problem. Don't worry about it. Mine is that way too. It should be torqued down to 55lb according to Stance though. If your torque wrench doesn't work, use air tool.

[nieko]

question about coils 94_240sx haha i have the same ones and i talked to u about them in another thread about stuff. but it seems like theyre kinda bouncy? any idea why? is it maybe my bushings and not the coils or i really dont know why?

[94_240sx]

question about coils 94_240sx haha i have the same ones and i talked to u about them in another thread about stuff. but it seems like theyre kinda bouncy? any idea why? is it maybe my bushings and not the coils or i really dont know why?

No, I don't feel that way. Mine rides just fine. It's not bouncy at all.This is from chuonthis on z****.net. Maybe you should try this. BTW, don't forget that my s13 is heavier than yours.

"I previously tried running any and all damper settings to fix my bounciness problem. 0-13 clicks matched all around, and basically, 0-13 clicks in front and +/- 1-4 clicks in the rear. Nothing really helped. I ended up driving at 10 clicks all around since that was overall the best but still bad.

I took out the coilovers to test the shocks to see if they were blown last week. While I was at it, I decided to change to the 9/7 springs since I was using the 8/6 springs and everyone else seems to be running 9/7 or stiffer. I only had time the first night to take out the fronts so I was running 9/6. I took it for a test drive and it was soooooo much better. No more bouncing out of no where. No more teeter-tottering. I had it at the softest all around and I almost felt like I was in a luxury car...except when I was going slow. Going slow over bumps was still a little bouncy. So I thought when I tested the rears and made the swap to 7k springs, it would be perfect. So I did that the next night and the bounciness returned! I tried playing with different damper settings but couldn't get the bouncing to go away. (None of the shocks were blown.)

So for some reason, my car doesn't like the 8/6 or 9/7 spring combinations but feels great at 9/6. I have the fronts dampers set to 8 and the rears set to 4 right now and it feels really good--comfort and handling. So if anyone has an excessively bouncy ride like I did, they may want to give the 9/6 combination a try. Would it help if I tried 10/6? I have an S14 btw." - by chuonthis

[nieko]

hmm welll its not excessivley bouncy but like my fraind when he drives in front of me or next to me he says he notices the front kind of bounce a lot, or when i take a corner sharp its kind of bouncy... hmm maybe ill try this 9/6 combo thanks a lot

[94_240sx]

I would mess with dampening settings first before swapping out springs. I set to 7 all the way around first, but later I felt front was not stiff enough, so changed to 10. Left the rear at 7. I have 8/6 spings combo.