S13 or S14

[240DRFT]

dont buy one right now then, just keep saving and saving and after 3 years you will have enough for a very nice 240 with money for some parts.

[240DRFT]

btw, dean, tell kenji i'll let him test out my 240 once i get over to visit u guys again he better be as good as u say he is jk

[Red coupe]

I already know how to drive though. and im not going to drift now. im gonna wait till lkie im 17 this is just preperation

What experiance do you have that has taught you "how to drive"?cruising around with a driving instructor? that doesnt count. Dont think that because you know how to operate a car you know how to drive one well.

[Going Sidewayz]

no you guys dont understand its either this or an 1956 MG TD. My dad is a heavy car guy and likes to start early. ill have my permit in oct. he wants me to have a car that we can work on and build up together. this isnt something for right now

[naed240sx]

wait a sec your son is nine and he drifts on his bike im guessing.

I don't appreciate that comment. He drives a track prepped s12 car. Of course he doesn't drive on the streets, but he certainly participates in local drift events.

[Red coupe]

Nice! rock the MG!

[Going Sidewayz]

hey thats the exact one

[Going Sidewayz]

hey do you have a picture of that S12 I wanna see

[Red coupe]

I know...

[scs13]

yeah lets see that s12!

[97ka-t]

[Corbic]

Any way.... IIRC the S14 has a softer stock suspension but a more stiff and flex free chassis. Additionally how is the turning radius on both cars, is the S14 more flat and stable at high speeds?

Obviously driving both and comparing is the best way. I've been in a few beat 240s (ka24e), however I could hardly make an honest comparison if I get the opportunity to be behind the wheel of a S14... simply difference in age, wear on dampers and bushings makes to much a difference. (I live in the Midwest, neither car is common, and even more rare in clean condition).

Way I see it right now. S13 is lighter and cheaper. It’s also cheaper to modify (the older SRs are almost over a grand less). On the up side the S14 has a much nicer interior, modern safety equipment (SRS), better seats and is not as old (less chance of rust and wear).

[Red coupe]

Look in all honesty they are pretty close. The s14 weight a very slight amount more, and allegedly has better balance... The suspension FAQ lists this as far as stock spring rates: STOCK Spring Rate - F : 2.0kg/mm (2.2 for sport package?) Spring Rate - R : 2.0kg/mm (2.2 for sport package?) I can only assume that its the same S13 to S14 since they didn't differentiate...that would make the s14 technical slightly softer...

I think most of the benefit of an S14 would simply because everything would be newer (engine, shock,spring, BUSHINGS)

as a modified car, dollar per dollar you will most likely get more from an s13...cheaper initial price and most of the wear points will get swapped with your new mods (You should probably change you S13's bushings) Neither car will blow the other one away, its mostly a choice in budget, aesthetics, and how old of a car you are willing to put up with.

At least that is my opinion on the subject.

I would be amazed if that same opinion could not before by simply searching, as this has been discussed a few time before.

[Corbic]

its mostly a choice in budget, aesthetics, and how old of a car you are willing to put up with.

That is exactly what it will come down to for me. I didn't bother searching because the topic is rather mute to me, I just saw this thread and took a peek, figured might as well actually have something about S13's and S14s in it, rather then the delusional ranting and dreaming of a 13 year old kid who is on the latest import fad....

IMHO any good "drift car" is going to be a very poor first car (daily) thanks to the qualitys that make it good at drifting, oversteer. Nothing like a phone-pole in the side. So to the orginal poster: Pick up a older Civic of Sentra, play with the suspension set up, coil-overs, sways, throw on a LSD and head to your local Auto-X events. Learn how to handel a lower powered, "forgiving" car, learn how to compete and deal with regulations, authorities and what not, then move into some track days, get some REAL track experince, then go "drifting".

[Red coupe]

well most real drift cars arent really tuned to oversteer. You do that part by being a good driver. Real drift cars go for grip the same as racers do. More grip=more control. In fact alot of drift/rally cars are more twords understeering and can be hard to drive if you arent tossing them sideways. sure things like 2ways and STIFF springs make daily driving rough, but I do it on 8/6 springs, and if your not going nuts you should be ok with a 2 way(so Ive herad still open here ). It should actualy make the car understeer untill the rear breaks loose since the tires being locked together will make the car wanna drive straight along its thrust line...

[Corbic]

well most real drift cars arent really tuned to oversteer. You do that part by being a good driver. Real drift cars go for grip the same as racers do. More grip=more control. In fact alot of drift/rally cars are more twords understeering and can be hard to drive if you arent tossing them sideways. sure things like 2ways and STIFF springs make daily driving rough, but I do it on 8/6 springs, and if your not going nuts you should be ok with a 2 way(so Ive herad still open here ). It should actualy make the car understeer untill the rear breaks loose since the tires being locked together will make the car wanna drive straight along its thrust line...

Good to know. Personally I'm not really into drifting so I've never extensively looked into it and how to build up for it. Sure read this and that and seen a few videos but over all I think it was invented by the tire companies (j/k).

Now if they ever did anything based on merits rather then opinions for judging, then I would be all over it. (Other motorsports the winner finishes first, drifting the winner is the guy the judges award most points to for various reasons, thus its something that is subjective).

[Red coupe]

Dont think you have to explain that last part, special in this crowd...Most po drifters are amazing drivers though, and wether or not they are racing for time, or simply having fun, its still incredibly good drivers in incredibly good machines. In the end I think if your honestly into cars and driving you have to appreciate that.

Might as well watch WRC though, they are better drifters, doing it only off verbal discriptions of the road, in amazing scenery AND against the clock

[HashiriyaS14]

Might as well watch WRC though, they are better drifters, doing it only off verbal discriptions of the road, in amazing scenery AND against the clock

Not to mention that they're doing it on gravel roads with no guardrails at 90mph. Best drivers in the world IMO, at least in regards to anything even remotely applicable to real world roads.

[sdtouge]

tune for oversteer? maybe if you suck and dont know how to drift.

that would be pretty sketchy at higherspeed drifts.

[sdtouge]

if anything tune for understeer and iniate like a manand the starter of this tread, you suck.

[s13_drftone]

s14 is a bigger body which has more potential and stiff suspenison which is perfect for rb swap

[inthawind2]

S13!!!!! Trillz!!!!!!!!

[Red coupe]

s14 is a bigger body which has more potential and stiff suspenison which is perfect for rb swap

what gives the S14 more potential and what is the srping rate? I couldn't find any info on stock S14 springs specificaly, only on General 240 spring rates...Both are McPherson so I would think there would not be any drastic change on the leverage applied to the spring to create changes in wheel rates...

[naed240sx]

BUMP

[crzycav86]

you guys are mean.

[naed240sx]

but so damn funny.