S13 KA24DE MAF problems

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jetsfan81j
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Hey, im new to the whole 240 thing i just bought my first one today. its a 1993 and the eller said it has some issues with the MAF sensor...

Well i test drove it and after about 2500 RPMs the car pulsates... No biggie I could still get up to speed so i knew it would be ok.

I just went out and started it, it was almost dead so now i know the battery is an issue as well, but when i drove it after about 30 feet it was pulsating a lot, it idles fine but as soon as i let off the clutch and i only have the gas going it starts to pulsate. :cry: idk what it is, im going to clean out the throttle body tomorrow (My mustang was running badly until i cleaned the throttle body then it ran like a champ).

He also said it might be a fuel pump.

If anyone else has had problems like this can you please help me, im not down to have the car dealership i work at fix my car for a ton of labor hours haha. ;)

Thanks for any help!


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rsmithdrift
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OMG chill out this is so painfully easy it's retarded. Your MAF is not connecting. Seriously. Go out to your car and jiggle the connection to the MAF and your check the throttle. Your car is going into safe mode and rev limiting you at 2500 rpm. Typical of the car running with NO MAF plugged in. If the MAF were bad then it would not run at all. It would either just flood out and die or not even start. With it unplugged it goes into safe mode and will run decently untill 2500 rpm at wich point it will hit a rev limiter.

It being un plugged could mean one of two things....

1. Either the MAF connection is loose/corroded and it has become unplugged or have such weak intermittent signal that ignores and goes into safe mode assuming broken MAF
2. The MAF IS broken and either it broke in a way that dissables the circuit and gives no signal. OR it was broke in a way that makes the car undriveable/flood out and was disconnected to make the car driveable enough to make it home safely. (Hense: Safe Mode)

Now you have a few options from here...
1. You can just spend mad money and buy a new MAF and Connector (just to be safe) and fix the problem now. It'll cost you around $400 btw for new ones.
2. Or you can do some diagnostics to save your self some money at the expese of work and time. You can get a Digital Multi Meter and check the wires per FSM for the proper voltages per FSM. You should find a variance. This will tell you if the wiring is bad or if the MAF/Possibly both are bad. Make sure it's plugged in when you check. If its the wiring you will know. If it's not that then it could be the MAF being broken in a normal way or the wiring is corroded or loose. work on the wiring to tighten the terminals if lose or clean them if they are in any way corroded. Connect tightly and check again. If still same then it's probably your MAF. If it's still no good you need to replace the MAF. Go to a junkyard and pay them for a used one. it's $50 around here. From autozone they are $300 with a core charge of 35. I DON"T WANT TO KNOW how much they are at the STEALERSHIP. Install new one and check again. If still now good take that one back cause it didn't solve the problem meaning its etiher broke or your wiring is really just no good. Junkyards will give you the harness connector with it for free also btw. And they are gaurunteed to work or your money back. If you tried the new MAF but didn't replace the harness with it chances are you still have a wiring issue. The connection is very hard to repair once the terminals have been damaged by corrosion. A new harness only costs 20 bucks on ebay if one didn't come with your MAF. So I HIGHLY recomend replacing it if it's corroded in any way at all.

I have never owned a nissan that didn't have MAF problems, they are the main source of engine control in all nissans. That connection controls how much power your car makes or if it runs at all. The better that connection and more accurate that signal is the more power your car will have. PERIOD.

Heres a link that gives you info on how to check your maf and how to read your a/f ratio(02 sensor):
important-tech-stuff-if-you-own-a-240-o ... 76094.html

BTW an AFC works by altering the MAF output signal (control wire) before it reaches the ECU. This makes the ECU add or reduce fuel making the car either richer or leaner accordingly. With a good fuel pump and a A/F ratio meter you can gain 15hp easily with a good AFC by fine tuning it.

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Cody240
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I am having damn near the same problem because at around (and this is a guess because my tach doesnt work) 3500 RPM my car will hit the limiter and just not accelerate anymore so it causes me to shift early and what not. The thing is right now it is running on the old sohc MAF and that is why it is doing it but when I installed a good one from a DOHC the car wouldn't even idle so ya I am confused also. Sorry for the thread jack i am still trying to figure it out if I get any info I will surely post it up.

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Cody240 wrote:I am having damn near the same problem because at around (and this is a guess because my tach doesnt work) 3500 RPM my car will hit the limiter and just not accelerate anymore so it causes me to shift early and what not. The thing is right now it is running on the old sohc MAF and that is why it is doing it but when I installed a good one from a DOHC the car wouldn't even idle so ya I am confused also. Sorry for the thread jack i am still trying to figure it out if I get any info I will surely post it up.
The DOHC one probably has a higher reading nomianally than the SOHC wants. An AFC of some sort would fix your problem perfectly.

Your fuel consumption is prolly way up and MPG WAY down with the DOHC MAF also right?? That's because that MAF is giving too high of a reading and it's making the car run rich.

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rsmithdrift wrote:
Cody240 wrote:I am having damn near the same problem because at around (and this is a guess because my tach doesnt work) 3500 RPM my car will hit the limiter and just not accelerate anymore so it causes me to shift early and what not. The thing is right now it is running on the old sohc MAF and that is why it is doing it but when I installed a good one from a DOHC the car wouldn't even idle so ya I am confused also. Sorry for the thread jack i am still trying to figure it out if I get any info I will surely post it up.
The DOHC one probably has a higher reading nomianally than the SOHC wants. An AFC of some sort would fix your problem perfectly.

Your fuel consumption is prolly way up and MPG WAY down with the DOHC MAF also right?? That's because that MAF is giving too high of a reading and it's making the car run rich.
Well the engine wont really run on the dohc maf even though the engine is a dohc so ya I would say that it is way down lol any way an AFC is a air fuel controller right, if so what will it do to help me

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jetsfan81j
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Cody240 wrote:I am having damn near the same problem because at around (and this is a guess because my tach doesnt work) 3500 RPM my car will hit the limiter and just not accelerate anymore so it causes me to shift early and what not. The thing is right now it is running on the old sohc MAF and that is why it is doing it but when I installed a good one from a DOHC the car wouldn't even idle so ya I am confused also. Sorry for the thread jack i am still trying to figure it out if I get any info I will surely post it up.
No worries man, its just so annoying, its ok cause im glad to finalllllly have a 240 thats in decent condition, but im going to try out what the first response was for the next couple days, hopefully its not too hard.

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Cody240 wrote:
Well the engine wont really run on the dohc maf even though the engine is a dohc so ya I would say that it is way down lol any way an AFC is a air fuel controller right, if so what will it do to help me
After closer examining your previous post I realise now what your talking about. sorry I was confused. Anyways um if your car wont run on a known good MAF that's right for your car, then your problem is elsewhere. Fuel mainly. Check your fuel preassure. It might be too low. That would cause the engine to cut out when you give it gas. It would idle fine though. If your FPR is bad then it'll just make the car run rich and rough at idle but will have no effect on acceleration. A clogged fuel filter will make the car hesitate. Clogged injectors will just make the car run lean.

But to answer your question.... An AFC is a fuel controller and it will alow you to bypass whatever is causing the problem and force the car to run properly whether it likes it or not. Also it can be used to check your sensors and find the problem.


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