do some real research before you listen to people here. There are lots of really large RX-7 forums you can visit and learn about the car. I think its premature to take peoples advice on a car most have never driven.
It is probably safe to surmise that the parts for the RX-7 will cost more, but it also have more potential than your typical SR right now.
I would look at insurance rates as well...
S13 240SX vs. Mazda RX-7
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SilviaLuvr
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I just found it funny that someone would actually use rice and sr20 int he same sentence! encasemyheart: I know exactlly what you mean all the asian boys (just b/c your asian dosen't make you jap tunning god no offense) the drive hondas around here get their carbon fiber hood, spoon rims, and lower and drive around saying "Hey im JDM. Everyon needs to be 'JDM' b/c 'JDM' is the best. " really REALLY GAY!
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SRdS14
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SilviaLuvr: "I just found it funny that someone would actually use rice and sr20 int he same sentence! "
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also, i have had experience with both the 3rd Gen rx7 and the sr20 and the KA-T. one of my good friends has a 3Gen so i know what the hell is goin on with them. who wouldn't love to own an rx7....
:withstup
also, i have had experience with both the 3rd Gen rx7 and the sr20 and the KA-T. one of my good friends has a 3Gen so i know what the hell is goin on with them. who wouldn't love to own an rx7....
7's are really expensive to upgrade too. go online and look at the prices of just suspension upgrades and what not. everything is very pricey.
as for a weekend warrior, i think it is a great idea, and i *hope* that someday i will have the very same thing you are thinking about getting. just make sure your first mods to the engine are upgraded radiator, intercooler, and gefinetely go single when you get the cash.
(from what i understand) they arent as unreliable as everyone gives them credit (or lack of), its usually a lack of caring from the previous owner, as they need alot of TLC. and if 1 thing starts to seem wrong, it almost always requires a rebuild.
to sum it up, i would LOVE a 7, but it just depends on your cash flow. because that is the real issue
as for a weekend warrior, i think it is a great idea, and i *hope* that someday i will have the very same thing you are thinking about getting. just make sure your first mods to the engine are upgraded radiator, intercooler, and gefinetely go single when you get the cash.
(from what i understand) they arent as unreliable as everyone gives them credit (or lack of), its usually a lack of caring from the previous owner, as they need alot of TLC. and if 1 thing starts to seem wrong, it almost always requires a rebuild.
to sum it up, i would LOVE a 7, but it just depends on your cash flow. because that is the real issue
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SilviaLuvr
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I have to agree with the majority of my bretheren here. Rice is taking over, I actually read the word "rice" as a positive term in a nopi magazine, and I heard fandf2 was including drifting. Drifting takes skill(if half the people thatsay they do it actually know whatit is) and if you are serious then you usualy damage your car, heavily, dont worry, when all the rice boys try to drift in there fwd cars and crash they will quit, thus the weak being weeded out and the hardcore will keep getting neutral, btw I drift in a completely stock ka24e(more than enough power), manual transmission(a must) and I wouldn't have it any other way, why add weight. Plus these rice boys just dont have the "feeling" it takes to really drift and not "*** drag"I believe I have rambled enough.
Regarding the initial topic of this thread, I happen to be in that exact situation!:D
I currently have a '94 SR20 180SX (the hatch version, I dunno what it's called in the USA, sorry!) and an '83 Series II RX-7 (which I think you guys call a First Gen.).
The Nissan is used for driving to work (and in industrial zones:pface), and the Mazda is used for the track, but is still quite road-able, with all the interior etc.
The Nissan is currently stock, since I only got it a little while ago, and the Mazda has a rebuilt NA 13B, Bilstein suspension and the usual driveline bits and pieces and brake upgrades.
I only take it to club track days, so I'm only really worried about personal bests and regularity times. It's absolulely fantastic on the track. Very loud, raucous, cramped and hot, with heavy steering. It gets decent times too. I've only blown the engine once, and that was the old 12A with over 100,000 miles on it. The new engine's the most reliable thing on the car, strangely enough, but I had it built with all new parts, and it's not too highly stressed. However, it drinks more than the cast of "Cheers", and people mistake the exhaust for an enormous demeted bee. For all rotaries, I really recommend a decent radiator and oil cooler - and make sure the fins aren't clogged. It'll never overheat.
But I'm rambling...:oface
The Nissan, however, is far more fun to drive on the street. It's not too conspicuous, since I have to drive it all the time, has bags of low end power, and has fantastic power steering. A far cry from the heavily cambered, manual steering of the RX-7. The Mazda really needs a track to get a good head of steam up. But once it's going, it's heaps of fun. I'm sure if I stuck a turbo on it, the Nissan would have no chance on the track.
So, I'd personally prefer to drive the Nissan on the road, and keep the RX-7 for the track, since it just seems more at home there. It's up to you.
I currently have a '94 SR20 180SX (the hatch version, I dunno what it's called in the USA, sorry!) and an '83 Series II RX-7 (which I think you guys call a First Gen.).
The Nissan is used for driving to work (and in industrial zones:pface), and the Mazda is used for the track, but is still quite road-able, with all the interior etc.
The Nissan is currently stock, since I only got it a little while ago, and the Mazda has a rebuilt NA 13B, Bilstein suspension and the usual driveline bits and pieces and brake upgrades.
I only take it to club track days, so I'm only really worried about personal bests and regularity times. It's absolulely fantastic on the track. Very loud, raucous, cramped and hot, with heavy steering. It gets decent times too. I've only blown the engine once, and that was the old 12A with over 100,000 miles on it. The new engine's the most reliable thing on the car, strangely enough, but I had it built with all new parts, and it's not too highly stressed. However, it drinks more than the cast of "Cheers", and people mistake the exhaust for an enormous demeted bee. For all rotaries, I really recommend a decent radiator and oil cooler - and make sure the fins aren't clogged. It'll never overheat.
But I'm rambling...:oface
The Nissan, however, is far more fun to drive on the street. It's not too conspicuous, since I have to drive it all the time, has bags of low end power, and has fantastic power steering. A far cry from the heavily cambered, manual steering of the RX-7. The Mazda really needs a track to get a good head of steam up. But once it's going, it's heaps of fun. I'm sure if I stuck a turbo on it, the Nissan would have no chance on the track.
So, I'd personally prefer to drive the Nissan on the road, and keep the RX-7 for the track, since it just seems more at home there. It's up to you.
Rotaries are great engines, if and only if they are well cared for... I have not had any experience with one. I'm trying to learn as much about them as I can right now, because I recently learned that Siguel, from "Siguel Racing" (the guy has the fastest rotary the pro-class drag racing) is my neighbor's brother... and so I will see if I can get to meet the guy. He's a rotary guru back at home.
if you have the money, get the rx-7. It is a badass car, but you will blow the motor eventually. the s13/sr20 swap costs a grip to do right with all the supporting mods (intercooler, bov, etc.) but everyone says they love it, and there's something to be said about reliablity, that's why I'm selling my eclipse gst. I've finally worked out all the problems with it, but it's worn out my patience.
as with the rice debate, the guys with the tasteful mods, kits, etc. get a bad rap from the primered civic crew. you are labeled as soon as you put on that exhaust. the only thing you can do is keep your sh*t clean and stay away from apc and non-functional hood scoops. sure, I want a tight car, I'm gonna get a body kit, sr swap (eventually), but I'm not gonna let these clowns ruin what I love and influence what I like. I'm gonna learn to drift, also. but I'm not gonna give up on all this cuz of some clown with a giant spoiler and fwd trying to drift. it's a good sport that involves real driver skill, something those clowns will never develop because they're to busy reving that 350z like he's gonna waste his time. Be true to yourself and the rest of the import community (not the riceboys) and you will earn repect and show how it's really done.
(sorry for the long post, duke's gonna take it all! :ylsuper )
as with the rice debate, the guys with the tasteful mods, kits, etc. get a bad rap from the primered civic crew. you are labeled as soon as you put on that exhaust. the only thing you can do is keep your sh*t clean and stay away from apc and non-functional hood scoops. sure, I want a tight car, I'm gonna get a body kit, sr swap (eventually), but I'm not gonna let these clowns ruin what I love and influence what I like. I'm gonna learn to drift, also. but I'm not gonna give up on all this cuz of some clown with a giant spoiler and fwd trying to drift. it's a good sport that involves real driver skill, something those clowns will never develop because they're to busy reving that 350z like he's gonna waste his time. Be true to yourself and the rest of the import community (not the riceboys) and you will earn repect and show how it's really done.
(sorry for the long post, duke's gonna take it all! :ylsuper )
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krazy skwerel
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If TFATF2 has drifting and people start to do it, there will be a lot of accidents. This means that there will be a lot less ricers and it will be up to us, the true car enthusiasts, to repopulate the street scene and create a superior race of racers...
Sorry, got carried away...but there will be more women to go around at least...
Sorry, got carried away...but there will be more women to go around at least...
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ok guyz i just read some of this post and i got to say WTF....u guyz dare to compare a 93+ rx7 twinturbo to a 240sx????i love my 240 to death and i also owna fc so i have first hand exp with both cars...
comparing these to cars is crazy from a cost standpoint.. the rx7 cost 13-19k(depending on condition ans such) to a 2-3k 240..
whew had to get that off my chest..one of the resons the rotories have to much truble is caused by heat the engine makes...
comparing these to cars is crazy from a cost standpoint.. the rx7 cost 13-19k(depending on condition ans such) to a 2-3k 240..
whew had to get that off my chest..one of the resons the rotories have to much truble is caused by heat the engine makes...
hey flip flop why are u changing ur story all the time
first of all mazda didnt make a tII til the 2nd gen ans a TII is a turbo so why do u have a na( could have used TII block for a na engine so sorry if im wrong)
and u have a OLD azz 83 ofcourse manual steering sucks the 2nd gens have power streering and its great around most any track
first of all mazda didnt make a tII til the 2nd gen ans a TII is a turbo so why do u have a na( could have used TII block for a na engine so sorry if im wrong)
and u have a OLD azz 83 ofcourse manual steering sucks the 2nd gens have power streering and its great around most any track
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Rotary engines actually run alot hotter than piston engines, a few hundred degrees if I'm not mistaken. They are really prone to heat failure partially by design, the alternating aluminum/iron (I believe it is iron, don't quote me) design of the rotor housings are very prone to warping at the slightest overheat. Plus the design runs hot, very ineffecient radiator, intercooler and a bad vacuum based sequential turbo design coupled with a very hot catalytic converter lead to frequent failure.
Also if you overheat you can't just resurface the head and replace the head gasket, it usually calls for an entire engine rebuild depending on how bad the damage is. If you get really lucky you only need small parts. The only good part is there are only 9 parts to the engine, 3 of which move. This makes for an easy rebuild, but the price of the parts usually exceed the cost of a reman engine from Mazda, which is about $2000, so most people do that instead of tearing the engine apart.
Also if you overheat you can't just resurface the head and replace the head gasket, it usually calls for an entire engine rebuild depending on how bad the damage is. If you get really lucky you only need small parts. The only good part is there are only 9 parts to the engine, 3 of which move. This makes for an easy rebuild, but the price of the parts usually exceed the cost of a reman engine from Mazda, which is about $2000, so most people do that instead of tearing the engine apart.
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if ricers start drifting because of a movie we are in trouble. we all know that ricers dont know the difference between their @$$ and their head. they are going to crash and burn. now this sounds good, one less ricer. but it is bad becuase the piggies are going to clamp down even harder. i already catch enough flak for "drag racing" at 45 mph around a turn. the last thing i need is to get pulled over for "drifting" on a straight-away. so if a ricer asks you questions tell him drifting is for p****** and body kits are for real men. (or women)
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JustinStrife wrote:you want redline? Go CA18DET and build it up. 9k RPMS baby!
Let's see a fully built reciprocating engine EVER match the rpm of a fully built rotary, all they have to do is spin!! The standard engine has to go up, stop, go down, stop go up etc..all in the course of a very short time.
Although F1 engines seem to do the job well...