Awesome! Thank you so much! I’ll let you know if it comes to that, that’s so nice of you!NolimitZ32 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:32 amIf you are running rich then the pump wouldn't be your problem. If you cant find an ECU locally let me know I have a couple laying around that you could borrow or purchase.
Yeah I replaced the Coolant sensor, it definitely can make a huge impact on performance.NolimitZ32 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:42 amIt does, good call. the coolant temp sensor does cause issues.
Interesting...the first time I started up the car after the pump was installed a year ago it was super loud and whining, the car runs great during that time, when it’s quiet as I said before or fades out while priming it sounds weak and sometimes gargles even when there is 50% or more fuel in the tank. So when the pump ran better after running it close to empty....that is weird. Do you have anything I could check? I bought my TT pump from Z1 Motorsports and they wouldn’t warranty it because they said that my issues don’t sound like a pump issue, and now my pumps warranty is up as a month ago. I find it weird that it gets super loud and actually sounds healthy when it whines but when it’s faint it sounds weak and the performance reflects that....amc49 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:32 pmA pump much louder than normal has likely got something wrong with it.
Set that partially aside for a moment. If the loudness means pump is now working at full rpm the car WOULD run well. It's just that the pump is going bad again or has something wrong with it.
If a new module is put into a car with not enough fuel in tank then the pump can go bad in less than a few minutes while trying to prime it. The pump is fuel cooled and burns up quick if it does not prime almost instantly. I used to warranty a lot of pumps people did like that, they think say a gallon of gas in the tank is enough and often it's not. Before pump dies like that it gets much louder, the sign of the impeller melting due to getting too hot.
I used my stock pump holder and just replaced it with a TT fuel pump, which is obviously only meant for 2 + 0 since the TT wasn’t put in the 2+2 as you already know. The dampener and regulator in the engine bay are both new and no fuel lines have been re-routed or anything. I tested the fuel pressure right after the fuel filter as the service manual directs. Car runs okay, it just runs EXTREMELY better when I can hear the pump whining from inside the car. All fuel hoses should be fine, I’ve gone through the good majority of them and replaced the hoses and clamps with good clamps and high pressure fuel lines from Z1. I have not checked the vapor lines or any of the lines that run from the top of the tank since I would believe it would be hard to get to them. It seems that the pump gets louder when there isn’t any pressure in the system and then quiets down USUALLY once pressure has built up, but there are exceptions like the other day where the pump continues to be loud once the pressure has built up after a few minutes of driving. I have also replaced the fuel cap a long time ago and that made no difference. When I remove the cap to get fuel there is quite a long period of time where I must wait for all the gases to slowly come out before I fully remove the gas cap.NolimitZ32 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:15 amDo you have the correct accessories installed 2+0 and 2+2 pump accessories are not identical?
Do you have the lines connected correctly? There is a fuel damper and a fuel damper, one at the inlet to the rails and the other (regulator) at the outlet, if you crossed the fuel lines somewhere you are pushing the fuel in reverse through the system you can damage your pump and have low pressure in the rail. You said you tested the pressure, at what location did you test it?
Oh, okay. My bad. I don’t think I did because the car ran great when I first installed it, are you saying the car would run well for awhile but eventually if the lines were flipped it would kill the pump? I had other people remove the pump and clean the tank for me and it still ran exactly the same, so I’m assuming they had the hoses in the same sort of way, it’s weird that the pump gets loud on occasion like it did the other day randomly. I have brand new, new style injectors in. My car was one of the rare ones I guess because when I got the car it had the original old style injectors in so I put in the new style with the rail adapters. (I was also confused by this because you are right, most 93s came with the new style so I was confused as to why mine did not) Though, no difference after that job was done, it did take away my surging on occasion though. My fuel pump controller is for a 91 NA. I still have my original 93 and it seems to have nothing wrong with it, since the new one didn’t make a difference, but I currently have the 91 NA FPCM installed. And huh, I don’t know if the 300zx has a check valve either, the service manual says it does and that it has a vapor vent valve too in the ventilation line. So I could be wrong, I’m a little confused on that check valve, I asked elsewhere if the TT pump has a check valve internally since my pump doesn’t have the check valve thing on the outside of the harness, I hope you know what I’m talking about, I’m sorry for not explaining well.NolimitZ32 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:16 am2+2s were available everywhere else in the world in TT guise, but that's not important here. Are you sure you didn't cross the fuel lines at the tank when you replaced the pump since the return and supply are near each other on the top of the access plate? A loud pump doesn't mean its dead or dying, a quite pump that gets louder with time on the other hand can point to such an issue. You have phase 2 injectors on it correct? Are they NA or TT (BTW most if not all 93 NAs came from the factory with phase 2 injectors)? Is the new fuel pump controller NA or TT? I'm not sure what check valve you're referring to, I don't believe the Z32 has an external check valve in the supply line, if I'm not mistaken it is integral to the pump on the TT's and the fuel damper acts as the check valve for the rails. I would say if you want to be sure that the entire fuel system is performing as it should connect your fuel pressure gauge and get some readings under load. I still think you need to try a factory ECU before doing any other testing because it sounds like something with the fuel control is out of whack.
Thanks for the reply!amc49 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:55 pm' I got gas after driving the car really low on fuel, I filled it up half way and then I started to hear the fuel pump loud and clear again like I did when I first installed it a year ago. Immediately the torque and power came back while the pump was loud and whining.'
What happened there? The fuel level changed in tank.
I went looking at various Z32 pumps. What pickup tube and strainer do you have on the pump now? Is it the short 2 inch or so standpipe/strainer or the very long hose with a strainer clamped on the very end of it? If you have the long hose the strainer needs to be positively bolted down or fuel slosh will have it coming out of fuel at times with a low tank level. That long hose will definitely move around, and could be your loud or quiet pump thing.
Fill tank up to as full as it will get (DON'T take up the necessary airspace there, let the fuel hose trip off by itself) and see how bad it runs then.
I appreciate it. You’ve been a lot of help! I know what you are talking about, it does go between the low speed and high speed. When I can hear the pump it goes from the low speed and is pretty quiet and then when I give the car gas it goes into the high speed mode. It seems to get louder just slightly as I increase the throttle opening even though this is only a two speed FPM with a three speed Fuel pump. Something with pressure change within the tank since the engine is using up more fuel id assume. When I get this figured out I’ll update everyone because I’m sure everyone is as curious as I am since it seems like a weird issue. A long time ago I had someone else install the pump after I did and they may have moved stuff around...? I haven’t been able to check since this is my daily at the moment.NolimitZ32 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:35 amThe check valve on the TT pump is installed on the pump body, I think its a safety release valve actually but it's been so long since I've done that research. The z32 NA FPCM is 2 speed, thus when you hear the pump change volume its probably going from half speed to full speed, this is controlled by the ECU via the FPCM so if the tune is not right then you would have this sort of problem. Otherwise I'm out of ideas, without physically putting my hand son the car I got nothing left.
Makes sense...I’ll try to do that soon.amc49 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:21 amMan you really need to fasten (or weight it down somehow) that long hose pump strainer down to the bottom of the tank if it isn't, fuel slosh will be moving it all over the place and the noise changes when it flips up to draw just air. Not to confuse with normal low or high speed as needed.
When and if you suck air the fuel pressure will drop like a rock and engine performance goes right with it.
The pumps burn the impellers if made of plastic (most are) pretty quick depending on how much time they spin out of the fuel that keeps the impeller lubed and cool, they run at several thousand rpm commonly. Why new car owner manuals now say to never run the cars out of fuel, they can burn the pumps up simply trying to restart the car as many people do not put in enough fuel to feed the pump 100%. I myself consider a pump dead with 5 minutes of dry running on it, I've seen them melt impeller in 3 or so.
When I used to sell the pumps, the most common 'warranty' new pump fail was running them on too little fuel at the install, people think 1 gallon is enough and it just burns them up. I use 3 gallons minimum and I like 5. I used to lecture people over that all the time and doing so greatly lowered the returns on new ones.
I think it may have to do with the ventilation valves...like you said the tank needs proper ventilation and my carbon canister always has a strong fuel smell when the car isn’t running well. (I haven’t overfilled my tank) for the year the pump was silent and I had no power I had the tank filled pretty full most of the time, usually half or above and I know for a fact the strained stayed below the fuel, I know what you are talking about.amc49 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:36 pmYou MUST have normal venting (atmospheric) or the pump cannot pump fuel, meaning drop any pressure ideas unless an evap valve that should be open is shut at the wrong time. Depends on how the evap system is set up. If you have overfilled the tank to flood the carbon that brings all sorts of troubles too and why you NEVER overfill a tank.
Car runs better with less fuel normally as that is a whopping amount of weight difference.
Can't say exactly but consider that the longer a rubber hose stays immersed in fuel the floppier and more flimsy it gets to move around more.
That strainer must be fastened or held down to know. Wasting time on other ideas until it is done.
Likely the pump has wear on it already due to sucking air over and over and why noise now. The damage is accumulative. The noise once there can have no rules applied to it as it can be erratic as well, I had a Ford once that got a recall over the pumps going bad and it made noise all over the map, sometimes none all the way up to very loud and no rhyme or reason to it other than bad pump.
Meaning you're likely overthinking some of it. Chaosian chance brooks no application of logic to it.