2012 Rogue

[mag318]

Was at my dealers this afternoon for some service and decided to chck out the new 2012 Rogue. The body is still te same as my 2008 but they have added some neat options this year. The around view monitor with four cameras was a great option and I'm sure it will be a popular one. I've been so happy with my 2008 Rogue, it's the first vehicle I've kept over four years./ perhaps when the redesigned Rogue comes out late next year I'll buy a new one. Two things that really turn me off to the newer Rogues was they fact they dropped the paddle shifters tht I really enjoy once in awhile, and the Homelink mirror with the built in garage door openers. I'm looking forward to see how the redesigned one looks next year. They will be built in the USA though and not Japan.

[rayjgold]

Hey, did they say whether it was possible to add this to a 2011 model? costs?

[philipa_240sx]

Hey, did they say whether it was possible to add this to a 2011 model? costs?

Around view monitor? No, it cannot be added... at least not cheaply. The cameras, headunit, and wiring required to make it work will set you back thousands of $$$.

Paddle shifters? No, they cannot be added. It would require replacing a significant number of components and possibly the CVT computer at considerable expense.

Homelink Mirror? Yes, you can upgrade. There are a few threads in this forum that describe this. You can also get a mirror with a single camera rearvew monitor. Both of these are available as accessories or parts from your dealer.

[mag318]

I was quite impressed with the 2012 Rogue. Next year at this time the redesigned 2013 version will be out and I have a feeling it will be worth waiting for.

[philipa_240sx]

Next year at this time the redesigned 2013 version will be out and I have a feeling it will be worth waiting for.

Nissan recently extended the Altima and Sentra to their 6th model year. Considering the challenges faced by all automakers, I would not be surprised if the Rogue continued unchanged for a 6th model year in 2013.

The competition is getting stiffer though... the segment leading Ford Escape is due to have an all new model released in the spring, the Mazda CX-5 is coming out early in 2012, and once Honda gets the production issues sorted (flooding in Thailand) the new CR-V will be here.

[Lowes11]

I wanted to get the rearview mirror with the single camera for my 2010 and my dealer said that I would have to get it aftermarket because mine is not wired for it. Also as far as extending the Rogue model year, I don't think that they will because they are committed to making it in USA and they would not retool for the same design.

[philipa_240sx]

Also as far as extending the Rogue model year, I don't think that they will because they are committed to making it in USA and they would not retool for the same design.

True, but Nissan already gave us a very strong indication when the next Rogue will be introduced:

As announced in January, production of the next-generation Rogue will begin in Smyrna by 2013...

Source: http://nissannews.com/newsrelease.do;js ... E?&id=2411

The next gen Rogue will likely come out in sometime 2013, as a 2013 or 2014 model. If production doesn't start until the spring/summer of 2013, then it will be a 2014 model. (Keep in mind that production starts 2-3 months before the vehicle goes on sale.) If this is the case, the current model would continue at the Kyushu, Japan plant for 2013.

We should start seeing the new Rogue at either the Nov. 2012 Los Angeles or Apr. 2013 New York autoshow. Stay tuned...

In the meantime, keep an eye on the Nissan Europe website. We may see a new Qashqai first which will give us a strong indication regarding the next gen Rogue.

[philipa_240sx]

As for myself....

I have been a loyal Nissan driver for over 20 yrs, but perhaps it's time for a change? I'll find out soon enough as I intend on trading in my Rogue come spring 2012!

[kerrton]

Hey Phil, how many km's do you have on your Rogue now? I'm wondeirng if you'll hit 200,000 before trade-in? Does your QR2.5 use an oil yet?

I found some interesting news again regarding the redesigned 2013 Altima which shares drivetrain components with the Rogue up to this point. First off, the CVT is completely redesigned and sounds to be significantlly superior to the current CVT, and the next gen Rogue CVT should be identical:

http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/12/01/nissa ... #continued

And second, the engine choices are going to be much more interesting than previous models, in particular the Altima 3.5 V6 will be elminated and replaced with a supercharged OR2.5. There may be a chance the Rogue will finally get the high horsepower performance powertrain that some have been asking for, but I wouldn't hold your breath. More likley the Rogue will offer a small displacement turbo 1.6 or 1.8L to replace the current OR2.5 with equivalent power and superior efficiency. Also the Altima will be offered as a hybrid, and the Rogue may follow suit at some point in the near future, making it one if not the only small crossover hybrid, as the Ford Escape WILL NOT offer hybrid option any longer with it's redesign hitting markets in 2013 model year.

http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/11/29/2013- ... re-hybrid/

I'm really looking forward to 2013 - 2014 model years, I think we will see some significant "jumps" forward in powertrain technology, in particular from the Altima and Rogue who currently are lagging behind some competitors a bit, but these new promised powertrains should put them out in front of some strong competitors. One that comes to mind is the newly redesigned Honda CRV, the specs have been released and they've played it very safe, sticking with the same 2.4 L regular aspirated 4 cylinder with the old 5-speed transmission. The CRV holds a large market share and I think the Rogue will steal some of this away with it's exciting new powertrains which among other things result in amazing efficiency. If they can sell a hybrid or even a plug-in hybrid version of the Rogue at a competitive price, this could be home run but the key is the pricing. We'll wait and see....

[k32m]

Question for Canadian 2012 Rogue owners: does the SV FWD w Premium Pkg have automatic headlights?

[casperfun]

Modern Canadian cars have "daylight running lights" - in other words their headlights are on whenever the engine is running (although possibly at a reduced brightness). Most drivers in Canada always have their headlights on when using their vehicles and this would probably be the best policy for visitors as well. As far as I know this isn't actually a regulation, though.

[old sparks]

k32m - there is mention of an "Autolight system" in the Canadian owners manual, but it's not mentioned anywhere on the nissan.ca website. I'm guessing it's part of the premium package for FWD Rogues.

casperfun - the DTRL on the Rogue is the highbeams (ie the inside bulbs), run at reduced intensity. I can't remember the last time I noticed a car without either DTRL or headlights on. It certainly would increase your level of risk to run without them on a two-lane road, especially in Ontario, where we are allowed to pass on the double solid line (when conditions allow).

[Qashqai]

in Ontario [ . . . ] we are allowed to pass on the double solid line (when conditions allow).

Seriously? I am pretty sure a driver is never allowed to pass a car on double solid line...

From Wikipedia:

Canada

In Canada, a double-yellow line in the center of the road means that it is unsafe for traffic traveling in either direction to pass. It is usually found on rolling hills or through corners where visibility is limited.

From Ontario Highway Traffic Act:

148 and 149 of the Highway Traffic Act. 148 deals with overtaking and passing rules. Here's the important part of that:

Quote:
Passing vehicle going in same direction

(8 ) No person in charge of a vehicle shall pass or attempt to pass another vehicle going in the same direction on a highway unless the roadway,

(a) in front of and to the left of the vehicle to be passed is safely free from approaching traffic; and

(b) to the left of the vehicle passing or attempting to pass is safely free from overtaking traffic.


And section 149...

Quote:
Driving to left of centre prohibited under certain conditions - 149.

(1) No vehicle shall be driven or operated to the left of the centre of a roadway designed for one or more lines of traffic in each direction,

(a) when approaching the crest of a grade or upon a curve in the roadway or within 30 metres of a bridge, viaduct or tunnel where the driver’s view is obstructed within that distance so as to create a potential hazard in the event another vehicle might approach from the opposite direction; or

(b) when approaching within 30 metres of a level railway crossing.

Exception

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply,

(a) on a highway divided into clearly marked lanes where there are more such lanes for traffic in one direction than in the other direction;

(b) to a road service vehicle where precautions are taken to eliminate the hazard; or

(c) on a highway while it is designated for the use of one-way traffic.

[old sparks]

in Ontario [ . . . ] we are allowed to pass on the double solid line (when conditions allow).

Seriously? I am pretty sure a driver is never allowed to pass a car on double solid line...

The Wikipedia quote likely applies to TROC (The Rest of Canada), but, as you can see from the Ontario Highway Traffic Act that you were kind enough to quote, one CAN pass on a double yellow line. Nulla poena sine lege applies IMHO.

http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/topic1772.html

http://www.simonborys.ca/2010/05/is-it- ... llow-line/

[casperfun]

in Ontario [ . . . ] we are allowed to pass on the double solid line (when conditions allow).

Seriously? I am pretty sure a driver is never allowed to pass a car on double solid line...

From Wikipedia:

Canada

In Canada, a double-yellow line in the center of the road means that it is unsafe for traffic traveling in either direction to pass. It is usually found on rolling hills or through corners where visibility is limited.

From Ontario Highway Traffic Act:

148 and 149 of the Highway Traffic Act. 148 deals with overtaking and passing rules. Here's the important part of that:

Quote:
Passing vehicle going in same direction

(8 ) No person in charge of a vehicle shall pass or attempt to pass another vehicle going in the same direction on a highway unless the roadway,

(a) in front of and to the left of the vehicle to be passed is safely free from approaching traffic; and

(b) to the left of the vehicle passing or attempting to pass is safely free from overtaking traffic.


And section 149...

Quote:
Driving to left of centre prohibited under certain conditions - 149.

(1) No vehicle shall be driven or operated to the left of the centre of a roadway designed for one or more lines of traffic in each direction,

(a) when approaching the crest of a grade or upon a curve in the roadway or within 30 metres of a bridge, viaduct or tunnel where the driver’s view is obstructed within that distance so as to create a potential hazard in the event another vehicle might approach from the opposite direction; or

(b) when approaching within 30 metres of a level railway crossing.

Exception

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply,

(a) on a highway divided into clearly marked lanes where there are more such lanes for traffic in one direction than in the other direction;

(b) to a road service vehicle where precautions are taken to eliminate the hazard; or

(c) on a highway while it is designated for the use of one-way traffic.

This got me curious and I found this also on Wikipedia.

Mind you, it pertains to United States but I learned certain things I did not know about.

United States- A double-yellow line is a painted marking between opposing sides of a highway. It consists of two, parallel, solid yellow lines located between the two directions of traffic flow and its presence usually indicates a no-passing restriction or no passing zone. Obvious exceptions to this no-passing restriction include emergency maneuvers or temporary traffic flow changes due to road work. Often the double-yellow line has sections where one of the lines becomes dashed (in which case it is no longer a "double-yellow") indicating to the drivers traveling on the side closest to the dashed line that they may pass when it's safe.

In the state of Rhode Island, two municipalities replace the double yellow line with strippings of red, white and blue; Bristol (longest continuous running Fourth of July parade)[3] and Warwick (host of Gaspee Days)

In some states, it is not against the law to overtake vehicles in the presence of solid yellow lines if it is safe to do so. For example, Vermont State Law also allows passing across the double yellow line when no traffic is on the opposing side, however, one must pass quickly and return to the proper side. [4] However this is unusual as most states have a ban on crossing a double yellow line except when turning, or when pedestrians, bicycles, or other obstructions in the road make it necessary. Overtaking another vehicle across a solid yellow line is usually considered a serious traffic violation in most states

in Ontario, where we are allowed to pass on the double solid line (when conditions allow).

Well, I am grabbing at strings but technically this is correct if these conditions were an emergency maneuver.
But in general IMHO, I believe no since it defeats it's purpose.

[philipa_240sx]

Hey Phil, how many km's do you have on your Rogue now? I'm wondeirng if you'll hit 200,000 before trade-in? Does your QR2.5 use an oil yet?

I'm at 154,000km (92,000mi). Still doesn't use a drop of oil.

The CRV holds a large market share....

I never liked the CR-V. Honestly I think Honda has gotten lazy... they used to be a company that prided themselves on the engineering in their vehicles. The days of VTEC and trick multi-link suspensions are well behind them and now they seem happy to keep the status quo. There hasn't been any real innovation with their vehicles... it's the same engines, same transmissions and their current IMA hybrid system is miles behind their competition.

Then I heard this the other day... maybe Honda woke up finally???

http://world.honda.com/news/2011/411113 ... index.html

Honda is readying a new line of engines to compete with Mazda's Skyactiv and the new breed of small turbo motors (ie Ford Ecoboost).

As for the Hybrid question...

Ford is dropping the Escape Hybrid instead opting for their new Ecoboost engines. Others like GM, Hyundai, etc are also following suit with small direct injected turbo motors.

The reasoning behind this shift to more efficient motors and hybrids is simple: COST A hybrid vehicle commands a hefty price premium, easily $10,000 or more over the conventional gas powered model. In the current economic climate it's not something most can afford.

[philipa_240sx]

Speaking of 2012...

I mentioned in another thread that Nissan is readying to move production of the redesigned Rogue to North America in 2013. This is the best clue yet that the next model won't start production until 2013 sometime and likely as a 2014 model.

My Rogue will likely be traded in 2012... and there's a good chance it won't be another Rogue or even another Nissan. Sadly, I will be leaving the Nissan camp.

The local Mazda dealer was a pleasure to deal with when I bought the wife's Mazda 2. She's thrilled with the car. They now have my number and will be calling me as soon as the 2013 CX-5 arrives in February/March. If drive one and I'm hooked... it'll be in my driveway in short order.

[kerrton]

Hey Phil, that's some good info on Honda's future plans, thanks a lot.

Speaking of Mazda, I've had my eye on the CX5 too, but was surprised to see the efficiency ratings of this SkyActiv-equipped vehicle very close to that of the Rogue, around 7 L/100km highway and 9L/100 city. If these numbers are correct, I am shocked, for all the hype of the efficient SkyActiv powertrain and the lightweight chassis technology of the CX5 I would have expected much better numbers, perhaps my sources were incorrect?

One thing that prompted me to hang on to my Rogue a little longer and resist the temptation of the CX5 was the fact that it's all new technology and unproven in mass real-world applications. I'm sure their engineers did a great job and reliability will be high, but I'm not confident enough to purchase one just yet. I've been a big fan of Mazda since my wife bought a Mazda3 in 05, but since we traded it in for a Kia I'm even more impressed with the Kia lineup, specifically her Sorento is awesome but the Sportage has garnered mass praise and numerous awards. The thing I like is that either of these crossovers can be had with the manual trans (like our Sorento), the 4-cylinders are awesome with direct injection making almost 200 hp from the 2.4L, and I believe the Sportage is available with a higher horsepower turbo. I'm just curious if you checked out Kia/Hyundai and what made you choose Mazda over Kia?

By the way, the redesigned Pathfinder will be in showrooms this upcoming fall 2012 and it will be a unibody crossover. The reveal is set for the Detroit Auto Show on Jan. 9, here's some preliminary info.. Looks great but for me the only way into one of these is to purchase a used one, which will be 3 to 5 years away, so again Nissan is out, and the same goes for the redesigned Rogue, 2013 is too long to wait to see how competitive the new Rogue will be when competitors have their offerings out today, and used ones becoming available in the next couple years.

http://ca.autoblog.com/2011/12/19/nissa ... it-reveal/

[philipa_240sx]

Hey Phil, that's some good info on Honda's future plans, thanks a lot.

Speaking of Mazda, I've had my eye on the CX5 too, but was surprised to see the efficiency ratings of this SkyActiv-equipped vehicle very close to that of the Rogue, around 7 L/100km highway and 9L/100 city. If these numbers are correct, I am shocked, for all the hype of the efficient SkyActiv powertrain and the lightweight chassis technology of the CX5 I would have expected much better numbers, perhaps my sources were incorrect?

Ah, more confusion about fuel economy ratings! Lets stick with the EPA numbers so we are comparing apples to apples....as opposed to Transport Canada's overly optimistic figures.

Model: City MPG / Hwy MPG
2012 Rogue CVT FWD: 23/28
2013 CX-5 6AT FWD: 26/32

The Mazda easily has a ~14% improvement in fuel economy vs. the Rogue.

BTW, I manage ~28mpg combined with my 2008 Rogue. I would gladly welcome +30mpg fuel economy.

[Lowes11]

Most newer models have improved mpg. I still think that a smaller engine will find it's way into the Rogue. I heard that the V6 Altima may go away also. Turbo 4 with better mpg. Also bigger difference between Maxima and Altima.

[k32m]

Can anyone recommend me a cargo net accessory for my 2012 rogue? I want something to keeP my basketball from bouncing around back there and figured that a cargo net is the only logical function the luggage hooks in the hatch serve...

[casperfun]

[philipa_240sx]

I heard that the V6 Altima may go away also. Turbo 4 with better mpg.

The Ellure concept sedan showed a hybrid drivetrain: 2.5l 4cyl with a supercharger and 25kw electric motor. It's doubtful that this will make it into production though... it's seems entirely too complex and expensive.

A more likely possibility for the Rogue is a turbo 4cyl like the Juke. Nissan already has a larger 2.0l version of the MR series motor used in the Juke... it currently powers the Sentra. Adding a turbo to this motor would be a simple task.