Republicans love earmarks?!?! SAY IT AINT SO!

[audtatious]

yeah but son, ive forgotten more about politics and history, in my 24 years, than most people will learn in their lifetime.

Does not mean your perspective on individual aspects is correct

[intermilanrox]

Explain to me my ignorance. I watch Fox News, and BBC, read loads of books, and spend alot of timing watching different political shows, and videos. I'm one of the few teens that I know, that have any idea what's going on with this country and poltics, who makes their own decisions, and doesn't just believe what one person says.

IMO all those stupid people who believed in Obama and all his false promises are the ignorant people, who believe in such unrealistic ideas and believe that he will bring change.

[smockers83]

ive forgotten more about politics and history, in my 24 years, than most people will learn in their lifetime.

Same here, and the scary thing is, we still know 10x+ more about it.

intermilan, you're only 15? Were you the one trying to argue some sort of economics with me earlier?

[heliochrome85]

IMO all those stupid people who believed in Obama and all his false promises are the ignorant people, who believe in such unrealistic ideas and believe that he will bring change.

thats your problem.

While I applaud your interest, trust me when i say, there are less biased sources than just Fox news, and BBC. check out any of the sources i mentioned in this thread.

[audtatious]

freerepublic.com

[telcoman]

thats your problem.

While I applaud your interest, trust me when i say, there are less biased sources than just Fox news, and BBC. check out any of the sources i mentioned in this thread.

Or try here

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/

Telcoman

[audtatious]

OMG...MSNBC?

Dude, were you a crack addict for a number of years or what?

[intermilanrox]

audtatious: that's hilarious heliochrome85:I know and I will start to look at those more now. The only thing is with Fox News or BBC it's convienence for me. I just turn on the TV while doing my homework or what not, but I will try to get my news from a more varied source. But I do question, What exactly is the problem with what I stated, American's knew nothing of the election. If you watched the new broadcasster's they would ask people after voting who they voted for and why, and the people automatically said, Obama because he is going to fix all my probelms. Just watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jIThese is the real reason he won, because people were ignorant to the truth.

smockers83:Yes I am 15. And I might have been arguing economics with you before, don't quite remember. But if so does that change anything? An argument is still an argument whether I'm 15 or 50.

[HashiriyaS14]

I wonder how many people get elected because of the party line vote on election day?

Every last one of them, effectively.

The whole idea of parties makes people electable. Parties are organizations wherein people disagree on many particulars but share just enough common views to justify compromising on the other stuff and banding together for the purpose of obtaining power.

If people didn't just default to "Democrat" or "Republican" when voting, they would effectively ONLY vote for candidates that lined up perfectly with their views, and obviously these candidates would only very rarely exist. No one would ever get elected. This is why cross-party voters are fairly uncommon and party affiliation ultimately means more than character, intelligence, aptitude, or voting record. A party label on a candidate implies that they subscribe to a certain very general agenda, and this allows people who are "in the same club" to feel a certain amount of base comfort with that candidate. It's a litmus test.

Thus, whether you agree with them or not, it IS a problem for conservatives when those in their party are out there chasing earmarks. You're in their club, and if they love earmarks, you effectively do also, or at least you're indirectly supporting someone who does.

Granted, this only applies to majority sentiments. If 5% of the elected GOP officials are chasing earmarks and the rest forsake them, then obviously someone voting GOP isn't indirectly supporting earmarks. If 51% of the GOP is doing X, however, even if you disagree with it but continue to vote GOP, you *are*, via the effects of your voting, complicit in their behavior.

This is not an attack on the GOP specifically, obviously the same thing could be said vis-a-vis any number of examples in regards to the Democrats.

[audtatious]

No argument on my part.