Repair of Fukushima could be disastrous

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Ok, normally I don't put to much stock in these sites but I saw this on Reddit and it seems plausible and downright scary. Plus the Japan Times writes about it also. Japan Times

Pretty much the company that ran the site is going to do the repairs, everyone is saying they should not do it and the government or other governments should step in.

Risky Repair of Fukushima Could Spill 15,000 Times the Radiation of Hiroshima, Create 85 Chernobyls

They are going to start this repair in November.
If the whole site blows, “boom” could mean the release of 85 times as much radioactive cesium into the air as was released at Chernobyl. Into the air. Into a stiff cross-Pacific breeze.
The consequences could be far more severe than any nuclear accident the world has ever seen. If a fuel rod is dropped, breaks or becomes entangled while being removed, possible worst case scenarios include a big explosion, a meltdown in the pool, or a large fire. Any of these situations could lead to massive releases of deadly radionuclides into the atmosphere, putting much of Japan — including Tokyo and Yokohama — and even neighboring countries at serious risk.

A lot depends on what blows up, if anything. If only Unit 4 blows up, Japan is at risk, including Tokyo, and the nuclear dust will pass across the Pacific to the U.S. People on the West Coast will be warned to keep their windows closed for a while.

If the whole facility blows up, one scientist is talking about moving her family to the southern hemisphere. From the article quoted above:

Chernobyl’s first 1986 fallout reached California within ten days. Fukushima’s in 2011 arrived in less than a week. A new fuel fire at Unit 4 would pour out a continuous stream of lethal radioactive poisons for centuries.


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Crap. Do not like hearing this.

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I had to stop reading it since there was so much BS. Who knows where they get their material (assuming they're not just making it up) or what tree hugging organization supports the site.

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DrewH wrote:I had to stop reading it since there was so much BS. Who knows where they get their material (assuming they're not just making it up) or what tree hugging organization supports the site.
That website has been known to post purely false stories based on "multiple anonymous sources"

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I just don't like hearing, If they dropped it scenarios.

I hope the best in the world are handling it, not just the lowest bidder.

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The nuclear industry is very good at policing itself... It's the only industry that I'm aware of that if it f...s up - writes big briefings of what happened, and how to keep it from happening again. Every other business I know of has a culture of covering mistakes up...or at least not advertising them. The nuclear power generation industry has a culture of talking about everything.

Other than the obvious desire to be safe and not die at work, all of this is rooted in the understanding that one big screw up can bring about political pressure that could close everyone... so in some ways every operator is in the same boat. There are dozens of unfinished reactor sites scattered after the post three mile island freak out.

I wouldn't let this stuff keep you up at night.

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Q451990 wrote:The nuclear industry is very good at policing itself... It's the only industry that I'm aware of that if it f...s up - writes big briefings of what happened, and how to keep it from happening again. Every other business I know of has a culture of covering mistakes up...or at least not advertising them. The nuclear power generation industry has a culture of talking about everything.

Other than the obvious desire to be safe and not die at work, all of this is rooted in the understanding that one big screw up can bring about political pressure that could close everyone... so in some ways every operator is in the same boat. There are dozens of unfinished reactor sites scattered after the post three mile island freak out.

I wouldn't let this stuff keep you up at night.
Exactly.

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Q451990 wrote:The nuclear industry is very good at policing itself... It's the only industry that I'm aware of that if it f...s up - writes big briefings of what happened, and how to keep it from happening again. Every other business I know of has a culture of covering mistakes up...or at least not advertising them. The nuclear power generation industry has a culture of talking about everything.

Other than the obvious desire to be safe and not die at work, all of this is rooted in the understanding that one big screw up can bring about political pressure that could close everyone... so in some ways every operator is in the same boat. There are dozens of unfinished reactor sites scattered after the post three mile island freak out.

I wouldn't let this stuff keep you up at night.

Agreed. A friend of mine works as a inspector and he's told me the protocol to do a 30min test can take weeks for going over safety procedures.

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Of all the things I've done and all the places I've worked a nuclear power plant has easily been the coolest. While everything I've done since college has a heavy safety protocol none of it compares to the nuclear industry.
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I'm not saying you guys who seem to work in some capacity in the nuclear arena don't know what you are talking about, but I am going to believe the New York Times. In fact this article confirms what you are saying that they police each other, however the Tokyo Electric Power Company has made at least a few mistakes in the last 2 years of cleaning up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/05/world ... d=pl-share

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/world ... leaks.html
The New York Times

October 4, 2013
Company Is Scolded for Mistakes at Fukushima
By MARTIN FACKLER

TOKYO — In an unusually public scolding, Japan’s nuclear watchdog agency criticized the operator of the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant on Friday for making mistakes that allowed radioactive water to leak into the Pacific Ocean, and ordered it to fix the problems quickly.

The agency, the Nuclear Regulation Authority, summoned the president of the operator, the Tokyo Electric Power Company, to explain the accidents and spills that have plagued the cleanup of the Fukushima Daiichi plant since it suffered a triple meltdown two years ago. In the most recent mishap, workers spilled 114 gallons of contaminated water this week while trying to fill an already overflowing tank, said the company, known as Tepco. It said some of the water might have run into the ocean.

In a public hearing, an official at the regulatory agency, Katsuhiko Ikeda, dressed down Tepco’s president, saying the problems raised serious questions about the company’s ability to operate its other nuclear plants, like the huge Kashiwazaki-Kariwa facility, which Tepco wants to restart.

“That these leaks occurred due to human error is very regrettable,” Mr. Ikeda told the president, Naomi Hirose. “The failure to make rudimentary checks reflects a clear deterioration in the ability to manage the site.”

Mr. Ikeda said Tepco should consider emergency measures like bringing in workers from its other nuclear plants to help improve the cleanup.

Such blunt and direct criticism is rare in confrontation-averse Japan.

Bowing toward his antagonist, Mr. Hirose apologized, saying his company would try to end the problems by “deploying people, materials, money, everything we can to respond.”

Tepco has struggled to handle the technically complex task of stabilizing the stricken plant, and beginning the process of cleaning up the melted nuclear fuel. In particular, it has scrambled to build enough tanks to hold millions of gallons of radioactive water produced by groundwater that has flowed into the cracked reactor buildings, and must be removed before it overwhelms makeshift systems for cooling the damaged reactor cores.

One of the biggest recent spills came in August, when Tepco discovered that 80,000 gallons of water laced with radioactive strontium and cesium had leaked out of one of the huge tanks, with some reaching the Pacific.

The repeated problems at the plant, which have also included blackouts and failed efforts to stop the flow of contaminated groundwater into the sea, prompted Japan’s prime minister, Shinzo Abe, to order the national government to take a more direct role in running the cleanup.

Critics have faulted the government for leaving the plant in the hands of the same operator that many blame for failing to sufficiently fortify it before the earthquake and tsunami that struck in March 2011, knocking out vital reactor cooling systems.

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Trust me, you have nothing to worry about. I just finished up an operator internship at a local nuke plant. Safety is first and foremost and is taken very very seriously.

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leesredgt wrote:Trust me, you have nothing to worry about. I just finished up an operator internship at a local nuke plant. Safety is first and foremost and is taken very very seriously.
I believe it, the problem here is TEPCO. They don't know what they are doing. Here is a new article. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2 ... leaks.html
Thankfully their Prime Minister is asking the World for help.

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Wow. It's unbelievable that they would make so many mistakes in a row like that... Do they have any seasoned plant operators over there? Or did they lose them all in the seal off attempt?

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