Red Ring of Death, how did it happen to you???

[MinisterofDOOM]

Exactly. The resources and money involved in the two options (fix it or deal with it) are nowhere near comparable. To fix the problem, even already knowing the cause, MS would have to devote resources to engineering a new design to fix the problem (which would have to include testing to make sure it really solves the problem, so it would probably go through multiple phases), then they would have to retool to produce the new design. And they would STILL have all the old systems out there with problems that would need to be fixed on top of that.

It's MUCH easier and cheaper for MS to simply fix the defective consoles out there. Especially when they can just give consumers refurbs or new systems and let them hang onto their hard drives. That also serves as a great way for MS to get the newer systems (which DO have slightly improved board designs including heat management changes) out there and get the poorer ones off the market.

The problem is as much consumers as it is MS. Microsoft dictates the price the 360 sells for, and people pay that price. If people said "no, we're not going to buy until you improve it" Microsoft might find it worth their while to invest all those resources I mentioned earlier in improving the product. But the console still sells well, and MS isn't really loosing anything by not fixing it until not fixing it begins to cut into profits. The 3 year warranty doesn't even hurt them that much, since they can simply repair and/or update those machines and send them back out.

[OldmanPurdy]

The problem is as much consumers as it is MS. Microsoft dictates the price the 360 sells for, and people pay that price. If people said "no, we're not going to buy until you improve it" Microsoft might find it worth their while to invest all those resources I mentioned earlier in improving the product. But the console still sells well, and MS isn't really loosing anything by not fixing it until not fixing it begins to cut into profits. The 3 year warranty doesn't even hurt them that much, since they can simply repair and/or update those machines and send them back out.

Yes quite true while the rrod is not great for customers it hasn't really cut into their sales as much as people thought, in the end it comes down to if people are willing to put up with the problems to play the games on the system, and so far despite the negative press they are. I actually hope the PS3 gains a ton of momentum this year, I don't really like alot of the decisions Sony has made with the system and its exclusive software lineup is not quite stellar but I do not want Microsoft to gain an unbreakable stranglehold on the HD gaming consoles, the more pressure Sony puts out the better the 360 will have to become to remain attractive

[sr20fan]

my friend got the rrod. it really pissed him off. he had just got gears and the thing shyt all over him and his plans for chainsaw glory.

i heard through somewhere that if you leave the wii on standby too long it might affect the motherboard. i cant vouch for the info, its just something i heard.

as to the heat of these machines, i always elevate the system, no matter what it is. i even have my ps3 (MGS4 bundle) propped up on some coasters just to give it some air under the thing. same with my roommates ps3.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Wii on standby? There's a standby mode?

If you're mean the WiiConnect24 always connected mode, mine's been that way for a year and a half with no negative repercussions.

Wii just doesn't produce much heat. The vertical mount is also designed with cooling specifically in mind.

[OldmanPurdy]

The only way I see a Wii breaking is a hammer, seriously mine has fallen 2ft off a shelf with a game running and it didn't scratch the disc or even skip.

[sr20fan]

i was just saying that was what i heard. it doesnt matter for me. i bought one, played it a few times in four months. finally i dust it off, pack it up and sell the damn thing. i prefer something with nice gameplay AND good graphics.

also, on a side note, what the hell is going on with ppl saying casual gamer all the time. that term got old really fast.

[krimsonviper]

NSFW because of language

Its a wonderful live vid 2

[S13-Chuki]

On my brothers i tried to play cod3 and thats when it happened.