Recently tried the Fuelmiser - gas saving device - my results

[SnowSurfLax]

Dattebayo - Please come over here and drive around for a week. You'll understand then. Yes, I can drive slower and not accelerate as hard and get better mileage. But I'm not going to as it's a personal choice. I want better mileage for the current way I drive. As a matter of expense, when fuel hits $4/gal then I'm going to change my driving habits.

As for fueler, I've come to the conclusion that fueler must have a life as he is often MIA on the boards during the weekends. I think he's actually out using his off road capabilities!

As for all the variables, I say let the test of time tell. If fueler records his mileage and is consistently getting better and better mileage without any other changes, then it must likely be the only change available. I dont' believe in snake oils either, but I trust fueler. I'd like to think he'd know if it was the device or his own changes.

[Julio Bro!]

My wife and I been reading about these savers since fuel here is getting very expensive. A friend said that could get a magnet kit for $30 or so, we'll check on that.

In the meantime we're studying the devices and the theory behind it. My wife, a licensed chemist, says there's some good science there. A strong enough magnetic force may change the structure of hydrogen into a more reactive form which would provide for a more complete combustion. Also, if air (oxygen) is charged and opposed to the hydrogen they would attract more and a better mix should result.

We've a read a bit on the Magnetizer brand and they answer about the magnets. They're not the usual speaker or refrigerator door pieces, these are manufactured to provide more than 90% polarization to one side. This means a one signed focused magnetic field, either negative or positive.

They have a kit which uses a magnet for the fuel line and a negative one for the air intake. We'll be looking for the least expensive kit to test on my wife's Murano, which takes $60 for 7 days. We're expecting the tank to last for 1 or 2 days more.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

sweet. keep us updated. So the system you are talking about is gonna be kinda like powder coating but for combustion... interesting.

[JustinStrife]

SO... drive slower if it means that much to you. Granny riding it will save you money without spending money on some fancy gadget. This is a FACT.

What if your car gets better gas mileage at 80, than it does at 60-65? What then genius?

[Julio Bro!]

Actually these thoughts on going slower are not entirely true. Vehicles do obtain the stated mileage at a range of speed, not below or over. My guess would be that most US vehicles will get the economy at around 40 and 70 mph given legal speeds are usually between 55 and 65.

Granny driving is not it because the system is making an effort to roll and inertia helps on the engine. Too fast and the engine is fighting against wind and heat dynamics at the wheels to push speed.

The exception might be sports oriented vehicles which are designed for faster speeds, with those the economy range would be at higher speeds. That's why granny shouldn't have a 350ZX, gas pump prices will take all her social security...c|;-)

[Julio Bro!]

sweet. keep us updated. So the system you are talking about is gonna be kinda like powder coating but for combustion... interesting.

Pardon my ignorance, but how powder coating helps? Reducing engine bay temperatures, colder air intake?

[MinisterofDOOM]

That's a lame as$ excuse. They have speed limits over there just like we do. Try again.

Anyone who's driven in a Western state wouldn't say that.

[reaper2022]

It's funny when I drive on the east coast. I fly by ppl left and right and then look at my speedometer and realize I'm not even doing 70. It's crazy!

Where were you driving on the east coast? Here in PA, most of the 4-lanes are 65mph... the flow of traffic is anywhere from 75-90 (except the old people driving at exactly 65).

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Pardon my ignorance, but how powder coating helps? Reducing engine bay temperatures, colder air intake?

well like he said, the fuel gets negatively charged, and the incoming air through the intake gets positively charged. In powdercoating, the paint material gets positively charged, and the piece you are painting gets negatively charged, or vise versa. This makes the paint stick a lot better.

[skott.b]

i hate things like this. Seems every time the gas prices jump. more things tend to pop off. "get the tornado, helps gas and HP" LIES!

hell you would save more gas keeping you car clean. not having it weighed down w/ random stuff. proven fact. even proper tire inflation and routine mait. help gas mileage as well. In my car i have noticed i get a few more miles out by running 93 vs 87.

The cost for all of that, nothing.

but for those that are really worried about gas mileage. get a moped. sure it isnt tehgreastest of rides. but it will save you tons of more cash than any of these products. ~skott, jus rolled out of bed

[Red coupe]

Perhaps get back to us after another 1200 miles (of continued use)with another figure so we can see how much variation there is.

How were the mileage figures taken? Can you outline the test protocol you were given to follow?

So uh....What happened to Fueler? Ive seen him online a few times but he doesn't respond to this thread

I guess he doesn't wanna argue with people trying to disprove him when he isn't even claiming to know how it works, but can you at least post up the test protocol and a follow up?

Fueler.....Fueler......Fueler.../Ben Stein.

So...?Why does everyone who makes some thread like this just disappear?Did we ever even get an outline of their testing procedure?

[PapaSmurf2k3]

Why does everyone who makes some thread like this just disappear?

Because they can't take the heat when intelligent questions get asked.

[fueler]

Don't worry, i'm still here. And i'm still saving on gas!

I'd like to possibly send mine to someone else who is reputable on NICO, for testing, but not sure if the $$ I will lose is worth proving that it works....

[Red coupe]

Don't worry, i'm still here. And i'm still saving on gas!

I'd like to possibly send mine to someone else who is reputable on NICO, for testing, but not sure if the $$ I will lose is worth proving that it works....

Perhaps get back to us after another 1200 miles (of continued use)with another figure so we can see how much variation there is.

How were the mileage figures taken? Can you outline the test protocol you were given to follow?

How were the mileage figures taken, and can you outline the test protocol?

[cmfireman]

I would like to see some lab-test data for the thing, not that I don't believe it doesn't work, I would just like concrete evidence.

I've increased my mileage in my 240 over the last 3 tanks about 4mpg from 23-24 to 27-28 by just driving the speed limit, using cruise when possible, and anticipating traffic lights/slow traffic.

I'm now working on breaking 30mpg in everyday hwy/city driving by shifting 1-3-5 when possible (and not dangerous), and neutral coasting downhill when safe.

I got 29.6mpg/avg per tank the other day in mixed driving just using cruise and going the speed limit.

It's actually kind of fun once you start seeing the increases.

[Julio Bro!]

well like he said, the fuel gets negatively charged, and the incoming air through the intake gets positively charged. In powdercoating, the paint material gets positively charged, and the piece you are painting gets negatively charged, or vise versa. This makes the paint stick a lot better.

Oh, then you're initial guess is right because the principle is the same. Although the "stick" here is at a molecular level.

[SnowSurfLax]

Where were you driving on the east coast? Here in PA, most of the 4-lanes are 65mph... the flow of traffic is anywhere from 75-90 (except the old people driving at exactly 65).

Well, so far what I've said has held true in PA, VA, and NC. And I've driven hundreds of miles in those states, so I'm not exaggerating any short trips.

[SnowSurfLax]

Don't worry, i'm still here. And i'm still saving on gas!

I'd like to possibly send mine to someone else who is reputable on NICO, for testing, but not sure if the $$ I will lose is worth proving that it works....

I'll try it! If it works, I'll buy you a new one to put on yours.

[Julio Bro!]

Another device we're taking interest in is the "resistor" type. Supposedly this modifies the sensor reading of the intake, indicating the computer to make a leaner mixture for combustion.

The principle is that most cars come factory programmed for fuel rich mixture, the device makes for a more balanced mixture which should provide for better combustion.

Makes some sense as you're manipulating a sensor reading for the purpose of increasing mileage. Also these devices are very cheap so it's easy for anyone to try. I think we'll take one for each of our cars.

[SnowSurfLax]

Julio, you better read up on lean combustion first. Also search for "chips" on this sight. You'll more likely screw up your car.

[techtrix]

ive got one thing to say about these things- if it works so well, why wouldnt the car manufacturers put them in when the car is built? the answer is simple, because they do not work.

If car companies weren't looking out for the interests of the oil companies, there'd be a hell of a lot more hybrids, electrics, and biodiesel cars being manufactured and promoted.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

If car companies weren't looking out for the interests of the oil companies, there'd be a hell of a lot more hybrids, electrics, and biodiesel cars being manufactured and promoted.

Correction, if people started buying the econo boxes and stopped buying the gas guzzlers, then car companies would start making them more often. Think about it. Car companies (like every other company) care about 1 thing: money. If they can make more money selling less efficient cars that people will buy... they will.

hell of a lot more hybrids, electrics, and biodiesel cars being manufactured and promoted.

Besides, they already exist. If people really wanted them, they'd be buying them. Your claim should have been:

If car companies weren't looking out for the interests of the People, there'd be a hell of a lot more hybrids, electrics, and biodiesel cars being manufactured and promoted.

Also: you don't manufacture a biodiesel car... you simply run biodiesel in your diesel vehicle.

[reaper2022]

Well, so far what I've said has held true in PA, VA, and NC. And I've driven hundreds of miles in those states, so I'm not exaggerating any short trips.

Maybe people where I live just drive like bungholes compared to everyone else in PA lol.. all I know is I usually end up doing 80 to keep up with traffic on Rt. 219 and have to do close to 100 to actually pass someone in less than a minute.

[Nismo_Freak]

There is no mechanism for this to work long term.

The molecules in the fuel cannot "bind up into clumps" as they are constantly in motion. The polar ends of the molecules are constantly drawing and repulsing each other along with the kinetic motion of the fuel flow itself.

As far as I know there is no way for the hydrogen to "rearrange" itself since it is a singular electron bonded to a rather complex hydrocarbon. There isn't enough energy provided in a simple magnet to tear the hydrogen off. The molecule could orient itself since it is polar (alcohols), but the kinetic wash cycle of the fuel system will see that it's rectified back to it's original psychotic order.

However, the majority of gasoline is aromatics, which are of a more stable, non-polar, geometry compared to alcohols. There is no methodology I can come up with that would allow a magnet to affect them.

If it did create additional atomization (far fetched at best) then it would be seen as a rich condition due to the decrease in elemental oxygen. The O2 would respond by altering the short term and later the long term fuel trim with a slightly leaner value. It might add 1 MPG at most.

As far as resisters on the intake air temperature circuit. The ECU will correct any condition with the fuel trims, and you will see the same mileage. Ignition timing may be higher, but you can physically do that without resistors with a timing light.

My 0.02

[Blueguitar]

Okay Folks. here is the Reality regarding this device.

First, It is important to note that all of the EPA test data , Xerox Fleet letter and almost all of the fleet testimonials on the FuelMiser Web, are in fact regarding a very successful product called FuelMaster. The FuelMaster manufacturer implemented a Private Label program for the folks at FuelMiser. In fact, The Fuelmiser people sent a $13,000 check to the FuelMaster manufacturer covering product orders that bounced. Not long after that, they copied the FuelMaster design and technology and put out a product stating that all of the claims and testing were in fact for their own Fuelmiser product . This is the absolute truth The Fuelmiser folks know it and it must be stated.

FuelMaster was founded on a platform of honesty and integrity. Much preliminary testing and study was completed regarding this technology before the product was ever brought to market. As a matter of fact a product known as GasBooster the preceded to Fuelmaster and sold over a million units worldwide, but was changed and taken back to development and new trials due to inconsistent results. If FuelMaster had not been able to produce repeatable and reproducible results in a true and sound testing environment, it to would have not been brought to the market place. It is easy to see why someone could look at a product that "seemed" simple enough to manufacture, has amazing claims and potential with great profit margin would want to copy it and try it own their own. In a business and greed sense, hey why not?

Someone had stated that the "test regarding 1200 miles without and 1200 miles with the magnetic unit installed was an unreliable test. In fact, they are correct. There are many variables which have a pronounced effect regarding fuel economy and emissions of a combustion engine. In general does this technology produce positive results ? Yes it does. But there is no way to positively quantify the numbers without a static stable laboratory environment providing the numbers and testing methodology. (Some "tests" are bogus if you examine underlying factors).

Any company representing a product that states claims regarding a percentage or savings of fuel to any degree is one that I would be quite skeptical of.

Fuelmaster is to date, after 17 years prototype development, testing, trials and success in the marketplace, is the only product that has shown commercial viability. Even when the FuelMiser was marketed to fleets in the 90's, it was actually the Fuelmaster product under private label.

Why did FuelMaster not sue the Fuelmiser folks?

Really due to time and legal costs. There has never been a firm that attempted to rip of the FuelMaster product worldwide (even in China) that has succeeded. Again,this is because truth in representation as to the limits that are represented by the technology in which the product is predicated, and a high level of integrity regarding the management and sales distributors of the FuelMaster. FuelMaster always has and always will win in the marketplace, no need for a courtroom or judge.

I am not sure as to the status of FuelMaster and so forth at this point in time or if it even available anymore. The truth regarding Fuelmiser had to get out though.

Thanks for your attention.

[Encryptshun]

And what is your relationship to this company? Your post sounds like it should have been prefaced with "The following is a paid advertisement for FuelMaser".

[frapjap]

The flying pastry cat is right.

[PapaSmurf2k3]

I'm sold. The Engineer in me tells me that all the claims and technology is sound. I'll take 300.

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[Bubba1]

I'm sold. The Engineer in me tells me that all the claims and technology is sound. I'll take 300.

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Next up......the Tornado!

[PapaSmurf2k3]

^Do they make one of those in beer funnel size?

If not, you know its crap.