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So after the chats for the Z, GT-R, Sentra, Pathfinder, and now Frontier and Titan, I'm really at my wits end with this company.

I posted the following smart remark at the end of that thread:
This just in - new NISMO Frontier. Unibody design for enhanced fuel economy, complete with a FWD CVT configuration topped off with a towing capacity of 500 pounds. Stickers? We got that siht too. Available in red, white, and silver so that we can say we're true to the Nissan Motorsport Heritage. Watch this truck debut at the Costco classic, a truck competition that crowns a winner on who can take home the most heads of iceberg lettuce while using the least gas. Nissan - Built For The Human Race... to the grocery store.
Nissan. SHIFT_just kidding. It probably has a CVT.

Now, while I didn't make it into the Frontier/Titan thread while the chat was happening, I have read through it and I'm completely underwhelmed to the point that my pulse would not fluctuate in the slightest if the above quote ever
came to fruition.

I currently own a 370Z for a couple reasons. I wanted a sports car and I wanted to support one of the few remaining efforts of Nissan I can get behind. I have always loved the Z car, and it is the only car I have seen from Nissan lately that I consider an improvement over its previous generation. (GT-R doesn't count - 99% of the North American market can't afford one.)

My daily driver? A Mazdaspeed3. I used to own an Altima Coupe before my daily needs outgrew a 2 door, and by the
time I was back in the market, the Altima no longer offered a manual transmission and I couldn't consider it, and I preferred a hatchback for utility, but didn't want a crossover. (A Juke? I'll keep it short - Nope.)

Since I have become a Moderator on this board, I have helped Nissan sell twelve new vehicles to people I know personally and speak to everyday. This isn't including the vehicles I have bought on my own (three new Nissans in the last couple years just because I have a car disease). As each model year goes by, on good conscience, I cannot keep referring people to this brand if I cannot be enthusiastic about what the brand is selling. Car purchasing is a big deal, especially in this economy, and buyers need to be 400% convinced that they signed the dotted line on something that is going to make them happy. My mother drives a 2011 Jeep Wrangler, not an Xterra. My father drives a 2011 Toyota Tundra, not a Titan. But my brother drives a 1991 240SX, not a 2013 Scion FR-S. He has faith. A faith that I'm losing.

Car buyers need to know they're buying the BEST.

The BEST cannot be dull or unengaging. The BEST cannot be subpar or underperforming. The BEST cannot be available only in vanilla or chocolate flavor. The BEST cannot ignore the competition - past, present, or future. The BEST cannot be poorly marketed or coast on laurels of the past. And finally, the BEST cannot be created by those who don't have the drive to make the product THE BEST. The BEST cannot be built by someone who has never used each and every feature of the current product to its maximum potential and specification on a day in-day out basis. The BEST cannot be built by those who do not understand what it takes to make the product the BEST at what it does.

I have participated in the chats for the Z, GT-R, Pathfinder, and Sentra. In each of those, I didn't detect an ounce of enthusiasm from those in charge of the product. Not one shred of information to make it worth it for us to go through the trouble to support an online chat like this. A serious PR opportunity to talk to the greatest single amount of Nissan Brand Champions on the web (your biggest advocates, or your biggest detractors) and get them pumped about the things to come, and each time it has been botched.

The guys that want to build the best crossover cannot build the best sports car, and vice versa. You cannot expect a soccer mom to understand the value of a full sized half ton pickup truck and its capabilities. You can't expect a businessman that spends more time in being driven around in a taxi than behind the wheel of his own car to understand the value of 30 more lb-ft of torque and 300 lbs less weight in the next gen Z car.

Just like I wouldn't understand the value of putting a dyson vacuum cleaner in the trunk of a minivan, I wouldn't expect my grandmother to understand my desire to pull a 1g turn in my sports car.

These chats have not shown me anything that gives me confidence in Nissan's ability to build the BEST. Period. I have seen plenty of pencil pushers, marketing graduates, and accountants be politically correct and "strategic" with answers. I haven't seen a single driver in any of this.

Keep up the good work Nissan. I have done half your marketing work for the finishing touches on the next generation of your product lineup in a single tagline: SHIFT_to Park.


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Not sure what the purpose of this is. If it's just a dramatic shout to the heavens WHYYYYYY!? I totally understand. If you expect to change the opinions of said pencil pushers, good luck with that. They don't care.

While I hate the milquetoast lineup, I supported it initially because job one was getting back to profitability and it did that. I "took one for the team." The time to SHIFT_gears and parlay that into R&D on rounding out the lineup with some other categories like affordable RWD sporty cars has come and gone and we are still in 2nd gear. The 370Z has impressed me and it's the only thing Nissan makes I would even entertain the idea of spending money on. Cue the GT-R fanbois......We done now? No, despite what you think, I wouldn't buy one if I had the money. I would by an R34 GT-R and a fully built engine so go pound sand. That's a hero car not something that is going to make or break the bottom line or make any impact on the majority of the car buying public.

I'm driving a rental Altima right now. Meh, it has a start button and an autostick, but beyond that it's boring as hell in both styling, power, quality and any other quantifiable measure of a machine. I was more impressed by that tuna sandwich I made yesterday. :rolleyes:

Basically, welcome to my world. Nissan has made it quite clear since the frog took over that they don't see my desires in a car as worth their time. Hey, maybe they are right! Most of the people I meet are about as awe inspiring, unique and memorable as a Versa; maybe these cars speak to them, you know, in a droning monotone low mumble with a steady stream of drool.

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themadscientist wrote:Not sure what the purpose of this is. If it's just a dramatic shout to the heavens WHYYYYYY!? I totally understand.
Yup. And I agree with you on all counts of the rest of your post. I just realized how frustrated I've gotten with this stuff. Maybe I just need to grow up and open my mind up to other stuff that works. I've already started that with the purchase of my Mazda last year.

Dare I say I could entertain the idea of a Mustang. Or even a Genesis Coupe.

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No, your indignation is righteous. I'm not asking and I don't think you are asking for every car to be a ballz out beast, just to have some personality at the very least. I have to say, the Koreans are starting to get it together on styling. Their cars looks don't induce vomiting like they used to.

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Well then gentlemen its up to us, we must convert those pen pushers into niconauts,join me in posting links to a few fav threads, or just show off your own nissan no swaps,we want to ease them in ,before show all our cards

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themadscientist wrote:No, your indignation is righteous. I'm not asking and I don't think you are asking for every car to be a ballz out beast, just to have some personality at the very least. I have to say, the Koreans are starting to get it together on styling. Their cars looks don't induce vomiting like they used to.
Right! You know what also makes me say "Really, Nissan???" Well, aside from the Murano Cross Cabriolet. It's that Nissan spends millions sponsoring F1, millions more on ALMS to paint their name in giant letters on a chevy powered delta wing car :facepalm: , yet in the US market, with the exception of the 370Z, they've pretty much abandoned fun cars. Face it, the GT-R is 8 years old and is for the most part unchanged except for a increasing list price. Marketing a Juke as sporty was a joke, marketing a full sized FWD CVT-only family sedan a 4DSC was an utter embarrassment. They also neutered the rugged Pathfinder into a full sized unibody SUV looking minivan. :tisk: Shall I go on?

While I am disappointed with Nissan for following the Toyota management playbook of building boring cars for the masses, (instead of Mazda) and converting just about everything to CVT only, I hold out some hope that they will eventually snap out of their fog and remember people want to buy fun cars too. Even big boring Toyota has begun making fun vehicles again, even with third pedals. The FRS is a success. They also announced they're bringing back the Supra, which will supposedly offer GT-R performance for tens of thousands less. (Hear that, Carlos?)

But I don't think change will happen at Nissan until Carlos leaves and some fresh "car guy" minds start making decisions there instead of the bean counters. Quick note to the Nissan marketing folks: FWD + CVT is NOT SPORTY!

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I don't have any faith anymore that Nissan is listening. ****-em.

I have my Skyline, but Nissan doesn't make parts anymore for it necessitating my hoarding of parts to support it into the future without them so I really have zero reason to support them in any way shape or form.

If they want to keep giving the finger to the people that are still willing to hope, let them suffer the consequences.

Toyota is listening.
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Mazda is listening.
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Mitsubishi is listening.
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Subaru is listening.
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Hell, Hyundai is listening and asking Toyota why the 86 looks so familiar. ;)
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What's up with you, Nissan? Is it because your boy from Renault doesn't know sporty cars?

That doesn't appear to be true.
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See how they smile, Nissan? That's happiness. Remember when your cars could make people happy? I don't.


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