really..i mean really, wtf

[crash n burn]

so unfortunently the last time oil change came around, i went to the local auto-pwn and the had neither a k&n or a mobil 1 filter..so yes, im putting on my flame suite, i had to settle for a fram filter, i wasn't TOO worried since im still running around on my ka.

so today i go to change it after 2800 miles and some change... the damn thing isn't coming off, i broke my damn belt trying to grab it, my filter tool isn't catching..and so my friend in his infinant wisdom thought it'd be alright to stab it and get it off, yea, it works..i've done if before, but all the other times i got all the way through the filter before tryin to turn it....he didn't, so it left a big gash on one side, and now that bish just wont budge, i through a c-clamp trough that hole and it creaked a little but no dice.

im stuck, and this is pissing me off, i know for sure i didn't cross thread it and i think a little bit to much oil got on the ring when i put it on and it just fried it to the block. im thinking if i throw some heat on it with a little wd, it should come right off....my knuckles got wrapped on the manifold once or twice, im tired..and today was supposed to be my relaxing one day off

suggestions or help would be pretty much fantastic

[redtop91]

Hahahaha pwnt by Fram Filters and screwdriver method.

Buy an import oil filter ratchet fitting from Vatozone. Best $5 I've ever spent.

[crash n burn]

thats what i got..the ol'e "sure grip" end SURE DONT EFFIN GRIP

man **** this, have never happened to me..ever, and this is got to be the easiest filter location in any car i've owned yet

[Slipstream]

Wrap a shop rag around it, grab hold of the filter with one hand, something sturdy with the other, and try to turn it until you see spots in your vision. That's what I do.

[crash n burn]

my fore-arms burn, i had 3 different people try that..i have plenty of strength in that region from swimming on my life

its dead end after dead end. i would just pull the filter neck off the block but i cat get the top 2 bolts, and i sure dont feel comfortable enough taking off the intake..even the lower plenum that connects in 4 bolts..

[redtop91]

Get the filter wrench from autozone that has a ratchet fitting. Trust me.

[crash n burn]

pretty sure that filter is mangled beyond the wrench fitting, i just got back form trying some more, im gonna call it a night..this really sucks since we're moving to a house like a mile down the road...at least its down hill all the way, muhahaha

this is why i especially like k&n, the have a crush socket fitting on the end so that ***** wont slip out

[redtop91]

If you'd get the wrench you'd see that it doesn't matter how mangled it is. But if you want to do it the hard way that's fine.

[martins_240sx]

+1 for the filter wrench....I work on humvees all day and sometimes all night and that thing has never failed me...even wth a screw driver removal gone bad....just keep torqueing and it will keep crushing till it cant take anymore and then it will come off

[240s2furious]

seriously filter wrench +1. -1 for that shop

[Vb93Vert]

all of my oil filters have a little piece of grippy material at the end of them, and its never failed me.

changed the oil on my sisters old *** camry (an 86) and it hasnt been driven since late 1999, and the oil filter came off pretty easy

[crash n burn]

it was a *****, but im standing there, right before work and my ex's dad swings by and was like hey,(has his own shop, and loves me) try this..gives me this toothed plier looking thing, i couldn't try it since i was going to work, and as soon as i got home..pop in there, 3 tries and that bish came off like a champ. the seal ring along the outside of the filter was like cracked and fried, people had a little leak and fried to the block like i suspected. i went and it chugged down the oil, started her up and she purred like a kitten at 850, too her for a 30 minute drive at 1230am hahaha, went to my dads resturant, and did a mc-nasty burnout in his face at the drive through, he was hangin out the window like OHHHH NOOO!!, my dad is a kid at heart.

man..what a relief, but how funny is this, my black top comes in tomorrow

heres that ****er, and no..this is why the filter cap wouldn't work, kept rounding off.

and the miracle tool am i just dumb and dont shop for enough tools at the store, but i've never seen this ****, forgive thei lame *** neon green paint, was there when i bought it..haven't bothered to switch out my blue valve cover

makes her run like shes brand damn new

[Duce40sx]

Hmm.. For a Stock KA I wouldn't recommend 5 30 synthetic.I'd go with 20/50 castro high mileage~I am at 10/30 regular and i will move up to 20/50 in 6 months.

You don't need to spend all that money on synthetic.

IMO, if you can afford it that's cool.

"Don't even touch a job or project when you don't have the RIGHT tools"

I broke many SHIzzles before improvising...and it costs more to fix than just buying the correct tool in the beginning~

"A little Water Displacement 40 (that's WD40) for those who don't know, A RUBBER mallet, and a Vise Grip are my best Friends." Good job\

[crash n burn]

yea, i actually noticed that i had 3 bottles of 10-30 and one of 5-30 from my last oil change..i usually run a whee bit thinner when cold weather comes anyways. i also kept my jeep alive on this stuff, other than the motul in my b18c1 skivic i had, i really dont use anything else, even syn. blends im shakey on. 196k when i sold it. and got 3200 for a 93 4dr 2wd cherokee..unheard of..

pay to play, i buy the best i can get because i know the quality..i always get ragged on by my friends because 90% of the tools in my rolling cabinet are craftsman..but hey, free if it breaks right?

and man does it just run like a champ, deeper throaty tone than before, and since i replaced my o2, that wandering idle went away, im pretty sure thats good to go. im in love with my car again.

small victories, but victories they are

[1unar3clipse]

next time do not settle for anything less than K&N.Wrench top FTW.

I ****ing hate Fram filters, that would happen to me at wal-mart pretty much everyday, and the worst part is that the metal is so thin on the shell of the Fram filter that it just cuts your hands up like nobodies business.

[480sx]

<--- All of you..

That has NOTHING to do with the filter guys, its all about the user.

Dont you know your supposed to lube that rubber seal with clean oil every time you do an oil change? Then hand tighten the filter, and next time you do your oil change, reach in there with your hands, and it will spin right off.

You will laugh at how easy the rest of your lifes worth of oil changes are if you follow that advice ^^. I used to get so mad when i worked as a tire/oil change monkey at people who didnt lube their filters, like, SPEND THE EXTRA TWO SECONDS AND DO IT RIGHT!.

Lol hope that helps.

[Defcon86]

^I disagree some rare cases it just doesnt want to come off even if you do lube it. I lube the filter everytime and a friend's Talon filter would not come off we stabbed it and finally grabbed a massive set of pliers and I ripped that mug off there.

Side note those pliers are amazing and I wish I had a set with my friend's Talon.

[nismoracingsx]

chances are if you were a lube tech..the last person to put the filter on was you or one of your buddies, lol, so if a filter is tuff to get off..might be a return customer..

btw, oil filter wrench FTMFW, we used them at tuffy and they make things so much easier, that and a claw + ratchet and extension

[1unar3clipse]

<--- All of you..

That has NOTHING to do with the filter guys, its all about the user.

Dont you know your supposed to lube that rubber seal with clean oil every time you do an oil change? Then hand tighten the filter, and next time you do your oil change, reach in there with your hands, and it will spin right off.

You will laugh at how easy the rest of your lifes worth of oil changes are if you follow that advice ^^. I used to get so mad when i worked as a tire/oil change monkey at people who didnt lube their filters, like, SPEND THE EXTRA TWO SECONDS AND DO IT RIGHT!.

Lol hope that helps.

But despite what you say Im still against Fram filters, When I was changing oil I had to damage them out nonstop sometimes before they even got to be used. Get boxes that would have 3 filters with cracks, or a car coming back with a filter that had no element inside, missing gaskets out of the box constantly.Then dealing with their Reps on the phone is twice as frustrating because they claim all of those above things happen in shipping.

[srpowered240sx]

there should be oil on the seal, should have put the screwdriver all the way through the filter, not just one side, should have grabbed a filter plier earlier, they kick ***, shouldnt be putting in synthetic oil if you are pulling the motor days later, shouldnt ever use fram. put off an oil change if you must. all this is constructive critizim. dont take any of it to heart, just think about it.

[redtop91]

Jon took the words out of my mouth.

[alkemyst]

yeah dude must have not lubed it. That is typical at the quickie lube places.

Dealership for $14.95 and wait or at home is the only options for me.

Even some of the more expensive places you'd think get it right, but it's usually overfilled or the plug is put in too tight. Not to mention oil is always all over the freaking place.

[redtop91]

Oh and a filter wrench would have worked on that.

[ddgsxr504]

Sorry you had problems but I'm glad you that bisch off!

One thing I wonder though.....

EVERYONE on NICO says that Fram filters are crap but I ran them for like 4 years with no problems, I used the top of the line one though, It's silver not orange. My KA now has 183,000 miles on it and FRAM has never failed me. However about 2 years ago, I learned it didn't have that drainback valve thing which is why my sh*t rattled for about 3-4 seconds before oil pressure built up which is why I don't use them now, I just go to the dealer and get the OEM Nissan one.

Point of the story is I guess I just got lucky all those years?

[redtop91]

I used a Fram when I first dropped my SR into my S13. Never had any problems. But on the same token there are people that run Ebay turbo kits for years and have no trouble and there are those who start their car up after installation and inhale a compressor blade. My point being that your personal experience is irrelevant on a product wide scale. Just because you don't have problems doesn't mean that all Fram filters are good. Also just because you have trouble doesn't mean all Frams suck. meh whatev.

[ddgsxr504]

I used a Fram when I first dropped my SR into my S13. Never had any problems. But on the same token there are people that run Ebay turbo kits for years and have no trouble and there are those who start their car up after installation and inhale a compressor blade. My point being that your personal experience is irrelevant on a product wide scale. Just because you don't have problems doesn't mean that all Fram filters are good. Also just because you have trouble doesn't mean all Frams suck. meh whatev.

So in a round about way you answered my question, I did get lucky all those years, I must have after listening to all yall's horror stories.

[drmerdp]

There is nothing wrong with fram filters. The housing is the same thickness as mobil one and has the same amount of ribs in the filter element. I've cut open lots of filters and 90% of them are the same ****.

For the people who fight their filters to get the off. TWO RULES>

1. oil the rubber gasket2. tighten to a little past hand tight.

I promise you, it will not fall off or leak.

And you'll never struggle again.

[480sx]

Im wondering about these so called horror stories with fram filters. I always thought that they were a quality company. Has anyone here actually had a first hand bad experience with a fram? Id like to hear it.

[crash n burn]

well since i've worked on all of my car, im not a dumbass and didn't run oil around the rubber seal, the ***** was fried to the damn block..peyman's retard self didn't punch it through all the way, i walked outside to drink some water since it was blazing hot, we were grilling, and to change the transmission fluid on his friends worked gsx, which we found to have a bad transmission seal and leaked penske synchromesh all over my ****ing floor.

the plan wasn't to get this motor soo soon, i was joking around when i told him i'd buy his whole car to part off and what not before i did my oil change (finding out it got totaled), but since i dont have it all..i'd give him 500 just to get the car, and get him the rest next month(pay check action), along with all proceeds collected from parts. he said ok..so im like oh ****!, i know for a fact this motor is making some damn good power, i also did the swap with him..so its a safe buy, why not, and risk getting another motor shipped here thats not been turned over? that sir would be a super-pwn

its gonna be a couple months before that baby slides in the car, im gonna reseal the whole motor, cams, injector, manifold, different turbo, tuned ecu..its basically gonna get a very nice overhaul that the stock internals are going to handle..i'll save the big stuff for later when i have the money to do it all at once..i hate down time. not to mention while its out im going to strip the running gear and blast the undercoating off, fix any rust, then reshoot the bottom and wheel wells..

its going to be one hell of a trip

[ANVIL]

get urself one of these:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW

i used to work at an oil change place and it has never failed me on doing an oil change on any vehicle. ever. stick it on a ratchet and it tightens grip while turning ccw