realistic practicle horsepower

[240scars]

whast up guys, i wasnt sure really were to post this but i thought of it when i was on a lil drift drive a minute ago, anayways i want to know realisticly about how mutch horespower i would need out of my 89 240sx se in order to be able to step on the gas hard and initiat the tires to spin while in 2nd gear? to me this is all the horsepower i will need for a long time, i dont really do third gear drifts yet and it just seemed to be a nice little personal goal. question two is andyone haveany suggestions as of now the plans are to get a 3inch exhuast, hks air intake, lightweight flywheel, maybe cam gears, and considering turboing it. are there any tricks to get more torque out of it? im thinking of getting another engine from a junkyard rebuilding it port and polishing it and thats the one that i would turbo. i know this is a lot of questions and bull**** to read but i just got the car last week and i am new to 240's but i love the feel of the car, any suggestions would help alot thanks.............................. peace

[240scars]

oh and i want to be able to hit the gas not have to do clutch kicks i just want to be clear so know one suggest it

[214kka-et240sx]

well you can drift you car stock everything, but if you want just alittle bit of tourqr, turbo your car, you will make like 200+ trq and thats all you need for drifting, i can spinn the wheels in 3th gear no problem , turbo would be the best way to start IMO.

[Joe]

initiations are very track/corner dependant. just having power wont be enough.

the truth is you need to start with a lower horsepower car and learn how to drift that before moving up. it makes the transition to having power 253223709709871098 times easier. dont overcompensate bad driving with a high HP car. it will only make you look worse in the long run.

i have "power" but still clutchkick in some situations. alot of the time powerover is all thats necessary but in some rare corners a clutchkick is needed for the proper entry.

[240scars]

i knew that i was going to end up getting alot of replies like this, and i appreciate trying give a response but i still want to know about how mutch horses would be needid in order to initiat slides by hitting gas in 2nd gear as well as suggestions as to how to get my car there any advice on this would be nice to know thanks

[Joe]

your missing the pointthere is no hard horsepower number for that because every corner and entry are different, its also dependant on the size of tires you run, type of tires, type of suspension and what kind of diff you have.

i wish it was as simple as saying "255whp and 235ftlbs of torque" but its not. and anyone who does is wrong. there are too many factors to ever get a set horsepower number.

[240scars]

ok with a infiniti j30 differential and fine **** the cornering how mutch horsepower (rough estimate) is needed to do a burnout in 2nd gear

[Joe]

*throws hands in air*

i give up

[s1ndicate]

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[raging panda]

There is no answer to your question buddy. Nobody knows exactly how much hp will make your car do a burnout in second gear. Most people don't do burnouts in second gear.

As for your engine mods, the intake and exhaust are good, when you get the flywheel, get a clutch too, you dont need cam gears, but you should get cams. If you are going to turbo, then all this stuff will cross over and thats cool. Any questions on the engine, check out the KA forum, if you want to know about turboing, go to the KA-T forum.

[240SicknessX]

if you have a crappy enought tire, i can roll and spin second in the rain in my damn near stock s14 (195). It depends what tires, diff, suspension setup you have.

i dont have a lack of power in my car mid slide in the middle and top of second. but if you are talking about just mashing the gas to lite em up first to initiate your drift well...... there are disadvantages of running a 195 vs a 225 in the rear, i can spin both, i just have to change my driving style.

there isnt an answer for the question your asking. but your best best is probaby to turbo your car.

[214kka-et240sx]

lets pu it this way, a AE86 COROLA, stock hp, 130 hp, and like 120 trq something like that, they can drift in 1, 2 gear , and drift really good , but it depends on the driver too. if you can't spin the tires in 2 gear in your 240, then you either need a clutch or you still need more practice. hp doesn't matter, in drifting. takes skills thats all

[spec-u-later]

I think he means just in a straight line crusing in second at let's say 30mph and then just mashing the gas with no clutch kick or anything. On dry flat ground with good tires maby between 180 and 200ftlb tq to the whells. Maby less. Not sure about hp. This all speculation not really backed by any hard evidence of course. My Spec V can do it stock but it's fwd and has pretty good tq.

[574-240sx]

I have a drift button. I hit it and the car goes sideways. Also on the whole mash the gas and the tires light up depends on alot of things such as with of tires, size of turbo, etc. Get a POS vlsd and go have some fun while you are still stock. Believe me, watching someone with a done car at a drift day rip their body kit off, bend a tie rod and bend a rim is priceless. Save your money you will need it. Just stick around a while and read.

[240scars]

see the thing is i am new to stick shirt only drove for maybe a few weeks i dont want to have to do cluch kicks because i dont have enough money to always be replacing clutches and as far as the other question to be perfectly honest i dont care about what some dude on the internet says about me i and why ev eryone argues on here i just come here to gain and share knowledge and to me personally for what ever reaspn i just thought about horsepower and how fast i would like it but realisticly i was thinking that when i could be rolling in 2nd gear and just 3/4 down or if had to punch it and be able to do a burnout that just seemed like a nice starting off goal to aim for

[240scars]

oh and if u here then u should be part of the team, dont argue about each others 240s repspect the fact that u both have good taste in cars and say f the rest of them how about an anti honda movement ill join that i heard today that beating a honda is like fing a fat chick yeah everyones done it but its not something u brag about whatever im fd up and babling peace

[raging panda]

if you cant replace clutches, how are you getting all this horsepower? If you cant afford to replace things that wear out on a drift car, then you shouldn't be drifting. That is the truth. I have spent a lot of money replacing things, pretty soon the clutch is one of those things. Your power goal isn't realistic, because if you have enough power to do a burnout from a rolling start in second gear, your tires should have enough grip to not spin but harness that power to the ground. That means more money for bigger tires, and probably bigger wheels. To start drifting, you should learning techniques and ways to overcome your lack of power, not finding ways to make drifting "easy" because even then it won't be. But if you can't afford to fix things that break from drifting, you shouldn't be drifting.

And stop bashing hondas, they are cool, its the people that are stupid.

[214kka-et240sx]

if you cant replace clutches, how are you getting all this horsepower? If you cant afford to replace things that wear out on a drift car, then you shouldn't be drifting. That is the truth. I have spent a lot of money replacing things, pretty soon the clutch is one of those things. Your power goal isn't realistic, because if you have enough power to do a burnout from a rolling start in second gear, your tires should have enough grip to not spin but harness that power to the ground. That means more money for bigger tires, and probably bigger wheels. To start drifting, you should learning techniques and ways to overcome your lack of power, not finding ways to make drifting "easy" because even then it won't be. But if you can't afford to fix things that break from drifting, you shouldn't be drifting.

And stop bashing hondas, they are cool, its the people that are stupid.

i agree with you,

if you are ganna drift, expect to change things alot, like tires, clutchs, sometimes suspention stuff, engine stuff, much more things, i dont know how you wanna drift and not change wored out things that have to be replaced. and nobody is arguing with you, you ask a wierd ?, and we try to answer it . heres my last answer

you can spin your tires on a stock a$$ 240, and as for you drifting, IMO, this sport is not for you,cuz you say you don't wanna change clutches and any other parts, so just don't drift, and even for anyother thing you wanna do, if you drag race, need better parts, autoX , need better parts, so you still have to change parts no matter wat,

[raging panda]

seriously, so far, combined with my other friends that i drift with, we have changed a full passenger front suspension, control arm, t/c rod, tie rods, strut, everything, in one night, a clutch, a transmission x memeber, water pump, brakes, fender, headlight, front bumper, and other things im sure i forgot. We have one guy who went through 3 tie rods already because he keeps breaking them. Not to mention the tons of tires that have been gone through. Myself, I haven't gone through very many, but my buddy goes through a pair every week or two. Maybe twice a week if he goes out a lot that week. We have had so many repairs that we all know how to work on our cars easily, and we expect to do so. It's ridiculous that you don't want to change stuff when you go drifting. It comes with the territory. None of that stuff includes the modifications we have made, just repairs.

[tryiian]

you could use the brakes lock-up method to intiate, if you don`t have abs.happens in pro drifting all the time (anytime you see the front tires stop moving), braking drifts in general are the most techinical, complicated, and skill-requiring of the lot.iThink you`ll need to be going faster than 2nd gear to use any less than lock-up braking to do a braking drift in a parking lot, though. Unless you`re impressively good, of course, which neither you nor me is at the level of being.

next time you`re out, just turn in and instead of kicking the pedal on the left, kick the one in the middle and either hold it, or pump it from somewhat down to all the way down, until the car starts sliding, then proceed with your drift. I think brake pads are cheaper to replace frequently than a clutch would be, and there`s no question on the fact that replacing pads is tons easier than doing a clutch install. Replacing your rear pads wouldn`t be a bad idea, though you may cause your car to be unstable under braking if you don`t replace your fronts, too (although then you`d be absolutely set for using the initiation iJust explained to you)