Rb26dett in s13 or s14 bolt-in kit avail yet?
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Phat_Optimo
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Rb26dett in s13 or s14 bolt-in kit avail yet?
Has anyone got any word on a bolt in rb26dett MM kit for the S13-14? It is happening or suposed to happen? If so whos doing it. Also I havent looked at the Rb26dett AWD transmission upclose to see what it looks like but is there a way you could not use the front drive shafts and block off the holes so your transmission fluid doesn't dump out. Also wondering if its the transfer case (big lump on the side) that makes this transmission hard to fit in US S13's. Anyone here ever done the AWD drive mod to a S13-14? I'm not about to pay someone to do the mod cause I know if would cost a grip. TIA
nobody has done an AWD swap yet, the transfer case causes serious clearance problems with the transmission tunnel not to mention if you could even get the front drive setup to work.
i have heard rumors people have just eliminated the transfer case or used a block off plate for the front driveshaft but cant find any hard evidence about it.
and mckinney motorsports is working on the kit, it should be done soon if it isnt yet.
if you do this swap dont expect to keep AWD unless you have a substantial amount of money to burn. (substantial = upwards of 10,000$)
i have heard rumors people have just eliminated the transfer case or used a block off plate for the front driveshaft but cant find any hard evidence about it.
and mckinney motorsports is working on the kit, it should be done soon if it isnt yet.
if you do this swap dont expect to keep AWD unless you have a substantial amount of money to burn. (substantial = upwards of 10,000$)
ive investigated the same thing. the transmission is perfectly useful, except for the fact that is really ****ing big. your gonna need a nice size sledge to fit the transmission in the tunnel.
as far as the awd goes, all you need to do is unbolt the front driveshaft and its fine. the fwd comes from hydraulic clutch packs and a drive chain that operates the front driveshaft to the front differential. there is only a solid link to the rear wheels.
on the skylines, all you have to do is pull the fuse and the thing is rwd.
ive spent many hours with the skyline FSM.
as far as the awd goes, all you need to do is unbolt the front driveshaft and its fine. the fwd comes from hydraulic clutch packs and a drive chain that operates the front driveshaft to the front differential. there is only a solid link to the rear wheels.
on the skylines, all you have to do is pull the fuse and the thing is rwd.
ive spent many hours with the skyline FSM.
i just went over the service manual.
there is no flange that its bolted to, its on a spline with a seal that goes to the u joints and shaft.
remove the u joints and the output yoke, and stick it back in the transmission.
or remove the yoke from the driveshaft, cut the splined part off and use it as a blockoff, or fab your own blockoff. if your going through that trouble, making a blockoff isnt going to kill you.
and the transfer case is integral with the transmission.since the front output is chain driven [within the unit] i was thinking about having a machine shop cut the bulge for the front driveshaft off and make a blockoff plate.
drill, tap, gasket and screw.
im not paying for the getrag transmission or an r34 clip, so im gonna go with the rb25 transmission. supposedly the 6 speed transmission is EXPENSIVE. ive got a ****load of other things i want to do so it doesnt make the final cut.
there is no flange that its bolted to, its on a spline with a seal that goes to the u joints and shaft.
remove the u joints and the output yoke, and stick it back in the transmission.
or remove the yoke from the driveshaft, cut the splined part off and use it as a blockoff, or fab your own blockoff. if your going through that trouble, making a blockoff isnt going to kill you.
and the transfer case is integral with the transmission.since the front output is chain driven [within the unit] i was thinking about having a machine shop cut the bulge for the front driveshaft off and make a blockoff plate.
drill, tap, gasket and screw.
im not paying for the getrag transmission or an r34 clip, so im gonna go with the rb25 transmission. supposedly the 6 speed transmission is EXPENSIVE. ive got a ****load of other things i want to do so it doesnt make the final cut.
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rbsileighty
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Phat_Optimo
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IvoryJ30t: The service manual you have. Is It an r33 or a r34? If you have the r33 SM, would you send me scan of the page where it shows every part in the transmission, and the page where it lists what each part is?
There is a 26dett MT on Ebay right now for 600. I am looking at this pic and see the front drive shaft. Now looking at that lump does the rear drive shaft come for that lump or is it off the rear of the transmission. It seems that I could make room for that lump with my cuting wheel. Then bend the metal up and weld in a filler piece (monster garage style). Then put a thick undercoating over the patch. It doesn't look as big as I thought it was.
Mckinney Motorsports: If you are here do you have an estimated release date. Would the 26 transmittion need to use a different rear mount than the 25 MT trannys (r33). If so, will that an option on the kit
There is a 26dett MT on Ebay right now for 600. I am looking at this pic and see the front drive shaft. Now looking at that lump does the rear drive shaft come for that lump or is it off the rear of the transmission. It seems that I could make room for that lump with my cuting wheel. Then bend the metal up and weld in a filler piece (monster garage style). Then put a thick undercoating over the patch. It doesn't look as big as I thought it was.
Mckinney Motorsports: If you are here do you have an estimated release date. Would the 26 transmittion need to use a different rear mount than the 25 MT trannys (r33). If so, will that an option on the kit
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rbsileighty
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Phat_Optimo wrote:IvoryJ30t: The service manual you have. Is It an r33 or a r34? If you have the r33 SM, would you send me scan of the page where it shows every part in the transmission, and the page where it lists what each part is?
There is a 26dett MT on Ebay right now for 600. I am looking at this pic and see the front drive shaft. Now looking at that lump does the rear drive shaft come for that lump or is it off the rear of the transmission. It seems that I could make room for that lump with my cuting wheel. Then bend the metal up and weld in a filler piece (monster garage style). Then put a thick undercoating over the patch. It doesn't look as big as I thought it was.
Mckinney Motorsports: If you are here do you have an estimated release date. Would the 26 transmittion need to use a different rear mount than the 25 MT trannys (r33). If so, will that an option on the kit
The "lump" off to the side is for the front driveshaft. The rear driveshaft comes out of the back of the trans.
trust me the front driveshaft is independant of the rear.
its a big transmission, and not really worth the effort. i had the same idea, trust me. if your really dieing for the getrag, get a supra 6 speed and have it modified to fit the rb.
its really not worth the hassle, headache or cost.
just stick with the 5 speed.
its a big transmission, and not really worth the effort. i had the same idea, trust me. if your really dieing for the getrag, get a supra 6 speed and have it modified to fit the rb.
its really not worth the hassle, headache or cost.
just stick with the 5 speed.
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rbsileighty
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IvoryJ30t wrote:trust me the front driveshaft is independant of the rear.
its a big transmission, and not really worth the effort. i had the same idea, trust me. if your really dieing for the getrag, get a supra 6 speed and have it modified to fit the rb.
its really not worth the hassle, headache or cost.
just stick with the 5 speed.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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s13sr20chris
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The kit is NOW finished, we had to make some changes to the prototype to fit the S13 and S14 correctly. Plus, the lawyer is taking forever on the patent paper work for the mounts, sway bar, and the down pipe.
AND, trying to get someone to produce our downpipe with out taking my arm and leg is getting hard. Got a meeting with another place tomorrow. Pray this one works out.
Anyways, Yes you can use the Rb26 oil pan. But you have to cut off the front dif and do alot of grinding to make it fit right. It is real tight between the pan and the crossmember. Plus, you'll have to switch over to a custom sway bar. As the RB26 pan will hit the sway bar.
Best way is to run the RB25 oil pan, but everyone has their way....... Mine will have the modified RB26 pan and the other one will have the RB25 pan on.
As for the transmission's. Have anyone ever tried to pick up a RB26 one. Dam that thing is like almost twice the weight of the RB25 one. I would never try to put that into a 240, way to much trouble and weight. But thats me.......
As for the transmission mount kit be avalible for the RB26 transmission. Don't think so, it would be way to much work to get that to fit right. I really don't feel like cutting up the floor of the 240sx to fit a transmission in it. Our main idea for the mount kits are to keep this swap as simple as possible. Nothing to hard or something that takes up too much time. If you REALLY want the 26 transmission to work in your car, just send the car to us and I can do a "one Off" one for you.
I hope I covered everything.
Oh yea, my car will have the RB26DETT in it for the NIssan fest next weekend. You'll be ablt to see the new kit and the down pipe as well.
Here is apick before it goes into the car..................
Grumpy
AND, trying to get someone to produce our downpipe with out taking my arm and leg is getting hard. Got a meeting with another place tomorrow. Pray this one works out.
Anyways, Yes you can use the Rb26 oil pan. But you have to cut off the front dif and do alot of grinding to make it fit right. It is real tight between the pan and the crossmember. Plus, you'll have to switch over to a custom sway bar. As the RB26 pan will hit the sway bar.
Best way is to run the RB25 oil pan, but everyone has their way....... Mine will have the modified RB26 pan and the other one will have the RB25 pan on.
As for the transmission's. Have anyone ever tried to pick up a RB26 one. Dam that thing is like almost twice the weight of the RB25 one. I would never try to put that into a 240, way to much trouble and weight. But thats me.......
As for the transmission mount kit be avalible for the RB26 transmission. Don't think so, it would be way to much work to get that to fit right. I really don't feel like cutting up the floor of the 240sx to fit a transmission in it. Our main idea for the mount kits are to keep this swap as simple as possible. Nothing to hard or something that takes up too much time. If you REALLY want the 26 transmission to work in your car, just send the car to us and I can do a "one Off" one for you.
I hope I covered everything.
Oh yea, my car will have the RB26DETT in it for the NIssan fest next weekend. You'll be ablt to see the new kit and the down pipe as well.
Here is apick before it goes into the car..................
Grumpy
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rbsileighty
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Vrtgrumpy wrote:The kit is NOW finished, we had to make some changes to the prototype to fit the S13 and S14 correctly. Plus, the lawyer is taking forever on the patent paper work for the mounts, sway bar, and the down pipe.
AND, trying to get someone to produce our downpipe with out taking my arm and leg is getting hard. Got a meeting with another place tomorrow. Pray this one works out.
Anyways, Yes you can use the Rb26 oil pan. But you have to cut off the front dif and do alot of grinding to make it fit right. It is real tight between the pan and the crossmember. Plus, you'll have to switch over to a custom sway bar. As the RB26 pan will hit the sway bar.
Best way is to run the RB25 oil pan, but everyone has their way....... Mine will have the modified RB26 pan and the other one will have the RB25 pan on.
As for the transmission's. Have anyone ever tried to pick up a RB26 one. Dam that thing is like almost twice the weight of the RB25 one. I would never try to put that into a 240, way to much trouble and weight. But thats me.......
As for the transmission mount kit be avalible for the RB26 transmission. Don't think so, it would be way to much work to get that to fit right. I really don't feel like cutting up the floor of the 240sx to fit a transmission in it. Our main idea for the mount kits are to keep this swap as simple as possible. Nothing to hard or something that takes up too much time. If you REALLY want the 26 transmission to work in your car, just send the car to us and I can do a "one Off" one for you.
I hope I covered everything.
Oh yea, my car will have the RB26DETT in it for the NIssan fest next weekend. You'll be ablt to see the new kit and the down pipe as well.
Here is apick before it goes into the car..................
Grumpy
Hey grumpy. I haven't heard from you in forever. Wasn't the purple S13 from McKinney yours? Is this the same car the 26 is going in? Glad to hear you are making so much progress with this swap!
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Phat_Optimo
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Hi Grumpy, I am glad to hear you guys have gottn the kit together. Sounds you you've got most of the work cutout for us already. I am very impressed. Hope you can get a solid welder to do the DPs and get the legal stuff taken care of.
Kamin: Hows your swap going. Last I herd you were waiting on the harness. Whats the update?
I am looking at doing this swap sometime mid/late next year. I'd hate to buy a clip and have to junk a perfectly good transmission. Well we'll see what happens within the next several months. Hopefull someone will do it and give some insight. Thanks guys for your input.
Kamin: Hows your swap going. Last I herd you were waiting on the harness. Whats the update?
I am looking at doing this swap sometime mid/late next year. I'd hate to buy a clip and have to junk a perfectly good transmission. Well we'll see what happens within the next several months. Hopefull someone will do it and give some insight. Thanks guys for your input.
NightXCZ77 wrote:In a few months I will be producing a RB26DETT Mount kit as well. We have the motor/trans right now and are just waiting on the JDM Silvia to throw it into. After the RB26 swap, we are going to do the AWD setup on the 240SX.
Night
the clearances are totaly diffrent from the LHD and RHD s13s.. so a mount kit for a 26 in a RHD s13 prollly wont werk so well in the us version.. mckinney is a pretty solid company.. id stick with them..
