Hey Guys, I thought it was about time that someone started a thread like this since people keep asking, and I saw that it was legal in Arizona! So we should do a sticky for all 50 states! I've seen a few other recent posts, so I'll just throw them up on this reply as well
Legality in regards to smog/emissions - Tyndango:Legalities of swaps - Smogs - etc .
Even if "your" state doesnt have emissions testing - you are required to meet EPA standards.
However the EPA has no real "policing" force.
Anything you do that circumvents the Clean Air Act is illegal....
But since no one going after you for it... as close as you might get is local police or your local states running "in use" or smog testing.
So getting back to what someone said about engine swaps . They are for vehicles that have a Certificate of Compliance . In other words have been tested with the EPA and meet standards.
The RB26 , and 25 have a certificate of compliance . So as long as you use all the same parts as are on the certificate , it would technically be legal.
Even in California.
Washington State - Jus2Shy:I called a vin inspector (after referrals from the auto licensing department), and the only items that is needed to keep the vehicle legal in this state according to her is that we need to keep the receipts (keep a copy in the vehicle) to note that there has been an engine swap. I did specify to her that this would be a japan only engine, and she stated that it must be noted that the engine has been swapped. No need for inspection.
Oregon State - Jus2Shy:Well, I decided to call Oregon's vehicle inspectors since I live right on the Washington and Oregon Border. I did make sure to specify to her that the engine never was made in the US nor intended for here, and here's the requisites:1) Engine must come from a vehicle of the same year or newer2) It must retain its original emissions equipment that it came withThats it! No receipts, no inspection! Kinda simplistic eh?
New York - Jon Powell (Arizona & Hawaii - Project RB240SX confirmed it was like this in AZ and HI):
I talked to a couple people, one is a retired head of Motor Vehicles here in NY state and another is the guy that runs the local Motor Vehicle office.
According to what I have been told, it IS legal to put the RB motor in a car, IF the following things take place.
1) The motor being installed MUST be from a vehicle that is newer than the vehicle you are putting it into. You must have proof of this(VIN tag from firewall)
2) All emmisions equipment that was origionally installed on this motor from the factory must be installed and functional.
3) You must change your registration AND title to reflect the new, 6 cylinder motor. (MVA-2 form and like a $10 fee)
4) The vehicle MUST pass safety inspection.
That is all.
So, if you are in NY, here is your way. In other states, I suggest you do the same thing I did and ask the people that actually know.
South Carolina - Hybrid One :In South Carolina There are no emissions tests. And registering a vehicle just involves a trip to the DMV. they don't even look at the car. Pleanty of cops know what kind of car i run and none of them seem to care.
Feel free to add to this list, and add the what you need to do bits and what state its for!
RB25DET Legalities In Specified States!!
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jon- why you of all people were banned i wouldn't understand.
and what about maryland? cause our emissions standards are tougher than those of california, and our inspection stations are hard to pass even if your cars are newer and need less than $100 to repair. hell i got a repair ticket today cause i had a blwon brake light.
and what about maryland? cause our emissions standards are tougher than those of california, and our inspection stations are hard to pass even if your cars are newer and need less than $100 to repair. hell i got a repair ticket today cause i had a blwon brake light.
For WA and OR, I know that if you spend atleast 150 bucks in trying to better your emissions, you can get a write off, stating that you did put effort into trying to better your emissions, and you get a sheet of paper to keep with your car. I can't site the exact RCW, but I did read it while surfing their database while trying to answer my own question on the legality of the RB swap. I'm personally gonna try to find my self an old s13 around here, so I can save up some cash over the year and start prepping for an RB swap myself. Thats why I called up the WA State Patrol VIN inspector to ask these questions. I also did the same for Oregon, and they told me the exact things I posted. I asked about emissions and junk, and they just said as long as the "Engine" has its original emissions equipment still on it. I'm also sure the RB will have no problem passing emissions, since it is a relatively clean engine compared to the KA24DE thats originally in our cars which isn't much cleaner from my understanding.
Also Jbanach, why don't you try surfing your phone book and try to look up the auto licensing department, should be in the government pages. Ask about the legalities of an engine swap. Make sure you specify that you intend on importing an engine that wasn't made nor was meant for the US. I know you can make an RB legal in california, but I'm sure there's many hoops to jump through to make that a reality in that state.
Oh yeah! And if you do get the results of what needs to be done, post them here so I can add MD to the list ^^.
Also Jbanach, why don't you try surfing your phone book and try to look up the auto licensing department, should be in the government pages. Ask about the legalities of an engine swap. Make sure you specify that you intend on importing an engine that wasn't made nor was meant for the US. I know you can make an RB legal in california, but I'm sure there's many hoops to jump through to make that a reality in that state.
Oh yeah! And if you do get the results of what needs to be done, post them here so I can add MD to the list ^^.
In South Carolina There are no emissions tests. And registering a vehicle just involves a trip to the DMV. they don't even look at the car. Pleanty of cops know what kind of car i run and none of them seem to care.
In fact...a cop pulled me because my taillights where out, and when he saw my car up close he asked if i had the SR20, and i said no...then he said "ohhh...so it's just stock?" and i said yea...a stock skyline motor. Then he made me pop the hood and then he let me go. Another cop asked a friend of mine if he could swap the SR into his car for him, and how much it would cost.
In fact...a cop pulled me because my taillights where out, and when he saw my car up close he asked if i had the SR20, and i said no...then he said "ohhh...so it's just stock?" and i said yea...a stock skyline motor. Then he made me pop the hood and then he let me go. Another cop asked a friend of mine if he could swap the SR into his car for him, and how much it would cost.
Legalities of swaps - Smogs - etc .
Even if "your" state doesnt have emissions testing - you are required to meet EPA standards.
However the EPA has no real "policing" force.
Anything you do that circumvents the Clean Air Act is illegal....
But since no one going after you for it... as close as you might get is local police or your local states running "in use" or smog testing.
So getting back to what someone said about engine swaps . They are for vehicles that have a Certificate of Compliance . In other words have been tested with the EPA and meet standards.
The RB26 , and 25 have a certificate of compliance . So as long as you use all the same parts as are on the certificate , it would technically be legal.
Even in California.
I actually have someone here locally with an RB25 in a 240 . I want to go though the procedure and legalize his swap.
That way - not too much messing with the cops - or smog nazis...
Even if "your" state doesnt have emissions testing - you are required to meet EPA standards.
However the EPA has no real "policing" force.
Anything you do that circumvents the Clean Air Act is illegal....
But since no one going after you for it... as close as you might get is local police or your local states running "in use" or smog testing.
So getting back to what someone said about engine swaps . They are for vehicles that have a Certificate of Compliance . In other words have been tested with the EPA and meet standards.
The RB26 , and 25 have a certificate of compliance . So as long as you use all the same parts as are on the certificate , it would technically be legal.
Even in California.
I actually have someone here locally with an RB25 in a 240 . I want to go though the procedure and legalize his swap.
That way - not too much messing with the cops - or smog nazis...
JonPowell wrote:But the RB motors runa bit rich, that produces more hydrocarbons....I would say lower the boost to almost nothing if you are thinking of emissions and get an AFC to lower the fuel ratio.....
RB's run rich , thats true.
Boost has nothing to do with emissions testing.
An FTP test - is run on a dyno up to about 3000 rpms. The car never even gets into boost. And if it does , just barely.
If you go too lean - you raise the NOx . If you go too lean you get lean misfires.
Clean ? emissions is a fine line between too lean / too rich...misfires...
To be honest with you, I do not think Sr or Rb swaps are legal in Cali. If you get caught, you will have to go to the ref, where you will fail the visual.
As far as I know the rb or sr have no certification to be put in any passenger car in the u.s., period. The swap is considered an at your own risk swap.
If you know some way to legalize an rb, please let me know.
As far as I know the rb or sr have no certification to be put in any passenger car in the u.s., period. The swap is considered an at your own risk swap.
If you know some way to legalize an rb, please let me know.
To be honest with you, I do not think Sr or Rb swaps are legal in Cali. If you get caught, you will have to go to the ref, where you will fail the visual.
As far as I know the rb or sr have no certification to be put in any passenger car in the u.s., period. The swap is considered an at your own risk swap.
If you know some way to legalize an rb, please let me know.
As far as I know the rb or sr have no certification to be put in any passenger car in the u.s., period. The swap is considered an at your own risk swap.
If you know some way to legalize an rb, please let me know.
The motors are legal for the skyline chassis only, not for the 240sx.
The reason is that there are various combinations for that, and each incarnation would have to be tested.
i.e. s13 rb25, rb26 s14 rb25, rb26 s14 rb25, rb26
That is already six combinations.
The skyline motor is for off road use only, or for the few and the hardcore.
The reason is that there are various combinations for that, and each incarnation would have to be tested.
i.e. s13 rb25, rb26 s14 rb25, rb26 s14 rb25, rb26
That is already six combinations.
The skyline motor is for off road use only, or for the few and the hardcore.
I noticed that you live in NY, I beleive things are different over here in cali, don't know for sure.
To be honest I have never heard of any one, legally putting an rb into a 240, if I am wrong, please tell me how to do it.
When I asked Mckinney about it, they said off road use only in Cali, maybe you know something they don't know, or they are not telling me the truth.
I am not sure which.
Like I said if you know how to legalize skyline engines in Cali please post, I am sure people will be interested in the process to do it.
To be honest I have never heard of any one, legally putting an rb into a 240, if I am wrong, please tell me how to do it.
When I asked Mckinney about it, they said off road use only in Cali, maybe you know something they don't know, or they are not telling me the truth.
I am not sure which.
Like I said if you know how to legalize skyline engines in Cali please post, I am sure people will be interested in the process to do it.
I TOLD YOU HOW TO FIND OUT!!!
CALL THE DMV AND TELL THEM WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND ASK HOW TO MAKE IT LEGAL!!!!
Or sit online and ask people who THINK they know whats up. Until I called Until I called the DMV here in NY, it was thought that the motors were illegal EVERYWHERE. Get off your butt and call DMV. If, after calling them, they say its illegal no matter what, then post that....Until such time as you have actually researched it with the powers that be, dont say things that arent 100% grounded in fact.
I just get tired of everyone spreading half-truths around like they are gospel because they "read it in another post"
CALL THE DMV AND TELL THEM WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND ASK HOW TO MAKE IT LEGAL!!!!
Or sit online and ask people who THINK they know whats up. Until I called Until I called the DMV here in NY, it was thought that the motors were illegal EVERYWHERE. Get off your butt and call DMV. If, after calling them, they say its illegal no matter what, then post that....Until such time as you have actually researched it with the powers that be, dont say things that arent 100% grounded in fact.
I just get tired of everyone spreading half-truths around like they are gospel because they "read it in another post"
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How come nobody in california files for an executive order for the s13/s14 for the rb25/rb26. With all these tuners why dont they do like brabus or caliway and do comparative testing in an FTP lab. I believe since nissan already tested the s13/14 their test are already on file to compare to.
Unlike the skyline the s13/14 are street legal so you have to do safety. Brabus got an EO and the state still said they "believed" the engine change packages did increase the emissions out side of testing conditions.
Unlike the skyline the s13/14 are street legal so you have to do safety. Brabus got an EO and the state still said they "believed" the engine change packages did increase the emissions out side of testing conditions.
Correct each car must be modified and tested. Probably $2500- $3500 each car. Maybe more.FAST-DATSUN wrote:The RB motor could be done but in CA the cost of testing it just like a motor x skyine would have to be paid to the EPA and STATE. If it failed correction paid for at test center cost passed to you. each car to be done a individual basis only!!! IS that right Tyndago ???