RB20DET Swap Questions....

Discuss the RB20, RB25 and RB26 series engines.
RacerTim
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For a while I was pretty sure that I wanted to get a RB25DET, but then I started looking at buying a RB20DET. Heres what I have found:

1. Its less than half the price of the RB25det, and only 40 HP less. If figure that will all the money I will be saving on the RB20DET I will be able to upgrade the turbo and everything to well above the RB25DET's power.

2. Its still cheaper than the SR20DET so Im starting to think this is the motor for me as I am not planning on spending my life's savings on the car!

So its these basic things that have me wanting to buy the RB20dET instead of the RB25DET. I know for the RB25DET swap you need a new driveshaft fabricated, do you need the driveshaft for the RB20DET also? And are parts between any of the RB series engines interchangeable? Are there any other major things that the RB20DET swap would require that the SR20DET wouldn't? Thanks in advance for your help everyone.


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RacerTim wrote:For a while I was pretty sure that I wanted to get a RB25DET, but then I started looking at buying a RB20DET. Heres what I have found:

1. Its less than half the price of the RB25det, and only 40 HP less. If figure that will all the money I will be saving on the RB20DET I will be able to upgrade the turbo and everything to well above the RB25DET's power.

2. Its still cheaper than the SR20DET so Im starting to think this is the motor for me as I am not planning on spending my life's savings on the car!

So its these basic things that have me wanting to buy the RB20dET instead of the RB25DET. I know for the RB25DET swap you need a new driveshaft fabricated, do you need the driveshaft for the RB20DET also? And are parts between any of the RB series engines interchangeable? Are there any other major things that the RB20DET swap would require that the SR20DET wouldn't? Thanks in advance for your help everyone.


My snetiments exactly. The rb20 does NOT need a new driveshaft. I hear the timing belts and what not are interchangable between the 3....not 100% on that. I dont think there is anything major that needs to be done. After searching and speaking with people who have done the swap, it sounds pretty straightforward. Make sure and get a front clip

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RubHamuSan
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pretty much it, besides it revs higher than the 25 and it's 220hp and the 25 is 250hp so thats 30hp difference. timing belt is the same and i'm pretty sure the water pump is also. the 25 is not worth it in my eyes. the only thing i want off a 25 is the head.

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Would the 25 head bolt onto the 20 block, or does modification need to be done??? Also are the head gaskets the same??? I read or heard somewhere that they are. Not 100% on that either

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RubHamuSan
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i will know this info very soon. what i have heard is this. that the 25 head flows better. also i want VVT.

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Keep me posted. :D

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93semax
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rb25 and rb20 have different bore sizes (86vs78) there's no way the headgaskets are interchangable. On the Maxima VE30DE block there are oil passages to activate the VVT in the head. I'd Assume the RB25 block has oil passages too so rb25 head on rb20 block wil not be a bolt on affair.

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Thanks for clearing that up. I didnt think they were, but I had heard it somewhere

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RB20 crank & rods---> RB25 block & head. short stroke, big bore, high revs and non stop grins!

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I need a RB soon

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RubHamuSan
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yeah that is so true since hondas have been doing it forever. 1.6 head on a 2.0 block. would never work out would it.like i said before i will have this information soon. being that i will physicaly look at both and check with my eyes before i say it will or will not work;)and assumption is the mother of all phuck ups.also one more thing. who's to say i won't have a head gasket made for this swap.

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RubHamuSan wrote:yeah that is so true since hondas have been doing it forever. 1.6 head on a 2.0 block. would never work out would it.like i said before i will have this information soon. being that i will physicaly look at both and check with my eyes before i say it will or will not work;)and assumption is the mother of all phuck ups.also one more thing. who's to say i won't have a head gasket made for this swap.
What's your name and what's your relationship to unstable?

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RubHamuSan
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i have a freind who works there. why do you ask?and telling you my name is a little personal.look i'm not trying to be a *** or anything i way just stating that,don't assume anything till you see for yourself. especially when it has been done with other motors. thats all.i'm not trying to make you look bad or anything.;)

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Ah I didn't mean it that way. I thought you were Scott.Anyway I'd bet you the rb25det VVT head won't work correctly on a rb20det block without major mods, if at all.I'll be at the shop either this week or next, we can look at both together ;)

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A little off topic but.....anyone else have any responses to the initial thread?

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LOL

It is the same basic swap. Nothing overly complicated with the RB20. I am going to look inot adjustbale sway bar if all else fails

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i'm just finishing up my swap right now, the only thing u have to do different is either buy custom motor mounts or go with a R32, A31 cefiro, or R33 laurel crossmember.

i went the crossmember route cuz i thought i'd be saving a bunch of money doing that, but it kinda bit me in the a$$. basically my engine sits a bit too high for the original hood, i even put 4mm worth of spacers to drop the crossmember alittle. i read a thread on some aussie site that they lowered the crossmember 10mm to clear the hood, but with the equipment i had, i don't see that as being possible.

so right now i'm still looking for a hood that will fit my car, i'm probably gonna end up having to get a fiberglass hood with some kind of scoop and then have someone fabricate that to fit.

as far as interchangeable parts, i'm pretty sure basic things will work. exhaust side of the 20 and 25 are basically identical but the intake is different. u can also throw some 26 parts in pretty easily, i'm using a triple plate GT-R clutch, fuel pump and also got some fuel injectors off a GT-R i'm about to have put in.

oh, and another special note: if the engine u originally have in your 240 is a single cam KA (like mine was) u're going to have to grab some new powersteering lines if u plan on keeping the powersteernig. i'm using the lines out of a '95 twin cam KA and i'm still kind of in the process of making it work, not sure what the problem is, but i'm pretty sure it's just for my car and not everyone elses, i may have bent a line.....

hope this helps u out in some way...

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Snakeyes39 wrote:i'm just finishing up my swap right now, the only thing u have to do different is either buy custom motor mounts or go with a R32, A31 cefiro, or R33 laurel crossmember.

i went the crossmember route cuz i thought i'd be saving a bunch of money doing that, but it kinda bit me in the a$$. basically my engine sits a bit too high for the original hood, i even put 4mm worth of spacers to drop the crossmember alittle. i read a thread on some aussie site that they lowered the crossmember 10mm to clear the hood, but with the equipment i had, i don't see that as being possible.

so right now i'm still looking for a hood that will fit my car, i'm probably gonna end up having to get a fiberglass hood with some kind of scoop and then have someone fabricate that to fit.

as far as interchangeable parts, i'm pretty sure basic things will work. exhaust side of the 20 and 25 are basically identical but the intake is different. u can also throw some 26 parts in pretty easily, i'm using a triple plate GT-R clutch, fuel pump and also got some fuel injectors off a GT-R i'm about to have put in.

oh, and another special note: if the engine u originally have in your 240 is a single cam KA (like mine was) u're going to have to grab some new powersteering lines if u plan on keeping the powersteernig. i'm using the lines out of a '95 twin cam KA and i'm still kind of in the process of making it work, not sure what the problem is, but i'm pretty sure it's just for my car and not everyone elses, i may have bent a line.....

hope this helps u out in some way...


If the Rb swap is the same as the SR, you can utilize the SOHC power steering lines. SRswap putlines it on theri faq and htis site does as well. Of course the easiet route to go is DOHC, but work with what you have uless you wann apya 100 bucks for some damn lines....

http://sr20.hybrids.jp/install....html

Nismo241 hood closes just fine....he can provide some insight on that

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yeah the PS line just needs to be chopped and a flare union put on it. just make it goto the correct side and if you got a clip use the resovoir.

Snakeyes39
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spec-v5150 u said......

Nismo241 hood closes just fine....he can provide some insight on that

well let me know how he did that cuz i still haven't bought a new hood yet, but i still need to grab a silvia hood anyways since i did the swap. i'd appreciate it if u could tell how it works, also, i got a FMIC and my IC piping across the front sits higher than anything else in the bay........

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eh, he did the 20 and made his own mounts. He had to cut the hood skeleton out and raise the back up 2 inches to make it fit.

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RubHamuSan
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he made mounts and had to cut his hood....that sux.

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glad u guys could clear that up for me, cuz i was beginning to doubt myself... :)


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