rb20det starter plug

[fullmetaltommy]

ok .. i have used the wiring writeups from carl h and skillzilla.. and i have done everything mentioned except when it came to the starter part.. i cannot find the starter plug on the rb harness.. i also couldnt find the starter plug location on the rb in the fsms that are on nicoclub.. so if anybody knows how to wire it up without the plug *makes question face* or the location of said starter plug then i would greatly appreciate it

[onepuff]

The starter plug comes from the lower harness of the car you have S13/S14. That's why it isn't on the RB FSM as the start signal doesn't come from the RB ECU.

[s13_240_rb20]

You're probably looking for a black/yellow wire with a round terminal at the end of it, cuz it bolts on. You should also find a female slide on connection for the ground.

The black/yellow (??) should come through the firewall and probably goes to a chassis harness plug that then connects to the lower harness and on to the starter. The black/yellow is about 10gauge wire.

To be sure about the color of the wire you are looking for, you can take the covers off of your steering column and then use a test light on the wires on the back of your ignition switch. There is only ONE that will light up your test light when the key is turned all the way to the "start" position. This wire should be connected to the starter at the other end.

Again, I am guess that wire is black/yellow?? I can't guarantee that without going outside and looking at mine, but now you should be able to find the wire at the ignition and trace it back to the engine bay somewhere. I am guessing that your black/yellow stops at the chassis harness, and you probably are missing atleast part of your lower harness??? Oh yeah, iirc, doing an rbswap you can expect a loose ground connection unless you replace the slide-on ground terminal to the starter. (iirc??) Anyways, if it ever stops starting or the starter just clicks, then try wiggling your starter ground wire....could save you some headaches in the future if you remember that??

I jacked up my wiring when I did my swap and had to diagnose/rewire my "no start".

--TJ
Modified by s13_240_rb20 at 6:24 AM 11/26/2009

[fullmetaltommy]

alright well thats why i couldnt find the starter thing in the FSM .. ill take a look at the starter stuff again whenever i can and let u know what i did (or didnt) do .. thanks a bunch guys

[fullmetaltommy]

You're probably looking for a black/yellow wire with a round terminal at the end of it, cuz it bolts on. You should also find a female slide on connection for the ground.

The black/yellow (??) should come through the firewall and probably goes to a chassis harness plug that then connects to the lower harness and on to the starter. The black/yellow is about 10gauge wire.

To be sure about the color of the wire you are looking for, you can take the covers off of your steering column and then use a test light on the wires on the back of your ignition switch. There is only ONE that will light up your test light when the key is turned all the way to the "start" position. This wire should be connected to the starter at the other end.

Again, I am guess that wire is black/yellow?? I can't guarantee that without going outside and looking at mine, but now you should be able to find the wire at the ignition and trace it back to the engine bay somewhere. I am guessing that your black/yellow stops at the chassis harness, and you probably are missing atleast part of your lower harness??? Oh yeah, iirc, doing an rbswap you can expect a loose ground connection unless you replace the slide-on ground terminal to the starter. (iirc??) Anyways, if it ever stops starting or the starter just clicks, then try wiggling your starter ground wire....could save you some headaches in the future if you remember that??

I jacked up my wiring when I did my swap and had to diagnose/rewire my "no start".

--TJ

Modified by s13_240_rb20 at 6:24 AM 11/26/2009

alright so the ignition wire and the ground?? should be on the starter terminal?? this is my starter (providing the pic worked on here) and i still hav to look for that wire but this should be my ground.... i think but im showin u guys so if it isnt please let me know.. i think thats the only other questions i have at the moment .. i do appreciate the info

[s13_240_rb20]

If that is indeed your starter wire bolted on (and I assume it is not your alternator wire...lol), then it should have voltage when the key is turned to "start". Have a friend turn the key while you test it with a test light or digital voltmeter. Be sure to use the battery ground for the ground and test directly on that wire or its nut.

If it lights up when the key is turned then I would think that you are just missing the ground plug.....in which case, I would ground the starter to the frame and be done with it. Also remember that the ground on my RB20 looks like a male speaker terminal pointing downward from the bottom of my starter....yours similar?? (don't ground anything unless you are sure)....

If you DO NOT have voltage at the starter when the key gets turned all the way:

1) Use my method above to trace the voltage from the ignition switch (using a test light or voltmeter with the key turned all the way)....only turn the key for about one second every 5 seconds or so.....no sense in draining your battery or whatever may happen....

OR.....

2) Try tracing that wire bolted onto your starter back into the wire harness on back toward the ignition...do remember that the wire may (probably will) change color and size when it is inside the harness loom...mine is black/yellow from the key to the chassis harness then it gets bigger and changes color coming out of the loom at the starter.

Good luck

--TJ

[onepuff]

The starter grounds itself to the block. There should be a short wire i believe running from the solenoid to the starter body. Just make sure the engine block is grounded to the frame of the car.

[gawdzilla]

^correct.

that large gauge wire in the picture is a constant 12v. the spade connector is the trigger for the solenoid. there is a short wire that comes with the starter that connects the starter to the solenoid directly and grounds the solenoid. the starter is grounded through the block. some of the information posted further above is wrong.

[s13_240_rb20]

I am glad to see you are getting some advice from some people who know their stuff. Please ignore how I said I have mine hooked up...somehow mine works but it doesn't sound like their's.

Anyways, since my wiring is so wayyyy off from the normal wiring, I am going to butt out and tell ya not to do it my way....my wiring was jacked up to begin with (as I stated above) and somehow I found a way to make it work...lol

I am using the spade connector plug on the spade connector and the big wire on the big bolt, but mine gets gets it's voltage from the smaller black/yellow from the key "start" position I think????

Anyways,....LISTEN TO THEM!!

--TJ

[s13_240_rb20]

^correct.

that large gauge wire in the picture is a constant 12v. the spade connector is the trigger for the solenoid. there is a short wire that comes with the starter that connects the starter to the solenoid directly and grounds the solenoid. the starter is grounded through the block. some of the information posted further above is wrong.

However, if he is missing the spade connector plug and he has to wire it himself, where should that wire be wired to?? (what signal does it get from where)....

--TJ

[gawdzilla]

that part is correct. the start signal from the keyhole supplies 12v to the spade terminal on the starter.

[fullmetaltommy]

kool kool .. so i think i have to make sure everything is grounded and then i should be good .. well see thanks again

[fullmetaltommy]

ok actually i think i misunderstood .. but so i looked and felt around the starter but found no wire ( the one i assume you mean grounds the solenoid to the starter ) .. and then i made a ground for it but i could be confused on what part everyone was talking about .. and i made sure the engine was grounded and rechecked and all that .. heres what it looks like now but like i said i could be wrong here

[s13_240_rb20]

I still don't have a clue about how to help you but here is your pic (again).

When you want a pic to show up on this forum:

open your pic in facebookright-click properties ON the pic itselfthen highlight and copy the address shown on the properties....use that address inside the IMG blocks

You can't use the address from the address bar when looking at your pic in facebook...that address belongs to the PAGE ITSELF. That address will work as an html link to open your facebook page (which is how I got there and copied your pics and posted them correctly as described above)

--TJ



EDIT:

I see that the pic didn't post because the file name is so long

(//photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs025.snc3/11254_1270254563934_1456969910.....etc)

that it won't fit on the properties page, so I went back and tried to "VIEW SOURCE" and realized that facebook won't let anyone snoop around like that. Without viewing the source code of the page I can't get the full file name of your pic.

So instead here is the link to the facebook page that your pic is posted on:

http://www.facebook.com/photo....69910

--TJ
Modified by s13_240_rb20 at 2:41 AM 12/20/2009

[fullmetaltommy]

kool .. thanks for all the help still .. *crosses fingers.. might try to start it pretty soon