rb tuning

Discuss the RB20, RB25 and RB26 series engines.
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xjon
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Now that I have my RB in and running for awhile, I would like to find out the full potential just from tuning it. I am talking about putting it on a dyno and adjusting whatever needs to be adjusted. I have never done anything like this so I would like to get some information on what can be done. Now I am just talking about a stock RB25det with fmic, and exhaust for bolt-ons.

When I get it dynoed, do they automatically adjust the timing to its max potential? What else can they adjust? Approximately how much cash should I expect to spend?

I would adjust the timing myself but I would not know whether to advance or retard just by butt-dyno. Sorry if I appear ignorant but I have never done anything like this. Also do I need to take it to a shop who has experience in RB's? I tried asking McKinney's but their site is down for now.

Thanks.


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eh?
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What are you using for management? Adjusting Timing and Pulling some fuel since the 25 runs so rich is what I guess they will do.

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Basically, getting your A/F ratio to as close to 12:1 as possible seems to be the general concensus for power/detonation on turbo cars. This means it is rich enough to keep detonation out of the picture, but lean enough to provide power. Timing can be adjusted, but Ive never done that on an RB so I have no idea passed the 15 degrees that comes stock. There is also boost to think about, finding out what the efficiency point is for your turbo (point where bell curve drops and no real power is made after the boost is raised). This will keep your turbo happy. You can also tweak the fuel points if you have a AFC or similar unit to make the A/F at the 14:1 normally aspirated level until the turbo spools, then drop to 12:1 to combat detonation. This will give you more off-boost power and make your turbo spool quicker.

Normally, dyno tuning takes ~$400, but can vary HUGELY based on the tuning you want to do, number of pulls needed, and shop to shop.

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xjon
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Thanks,

No management systems. Just stock ECU.

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eh?
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Unless you have some sort of management (afc,pfc) IMO it's not worth your time+money taking it to a dyno shop. The rb25 ecu is locked.

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yeah you defintley some engine management.

I got an apexi s-afc2 and gained 22WHP from tuning and timing. REALLY REALLY HELPS....

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xjon
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I just want my timing adjusted and my engine running to its full stock potential. At least they could tell me if I am running too rich or lean or something. I don't expect them to hack into the ECU at all.

Maybe they can diagnose the problem I have with my engine that feels like a limiter. Around high 5's-6k rpm it feels like surging. My af meter shows rich and my boost doesn't show it increasing anymore. So I just shift to a higher gear and it pulls hard again. This is really why I want to get the dyno.

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For a single baseline run I think it's a good idea. But as for them advancing base timing- there's really nothing you can't do that they could, nobody is going to know when your engine knock levels are too high (till it's too late). Are you running stock boost?

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Yup, just stock boost. Gets up to 11 psi according to my gauge.


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