RB's engines legal in Ontario Canada?

Post by **Z3RO** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

was wondering, is it even possible to have an RB in a 240 and pass emissions and and all other types of inspections in Ontario, Canada? If it is, will it still pass emissions with a full cat-back exhaust and an airfilter?

also, do I have to get a different exhaust if I get an RB engine? or can I keep my old aftermarket exhaust?

Post by **spec-v5150** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

hmm the RB is not legal anywhere...especially in any cat that isnt a Skyline. I hear the stock downpipe on the front clip bolts right up to the stock exhaust. Ic an't 100% confirm that. Will it pass smog.....good question. I have heard/read of SR20 passing smog. I would guess you could make it. I am not too read up on the whole smog thing. I am keeping my car registered in NOdak when I move back to Cali. I would rather find someone to "pass you"...easier in the long run

Post by **Z3RO** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

if it isnt legal anywhere why do so many people claim to have one in their car?

are the SR's legal?

Post by **Joe** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

no sr's technically arent legal.

to have a motor legal in the states it must be sold in another car in the US, also must be same year or newer than chassis it goes into, etc etc bla bla bla

the sr20DET never was avaiable in america so its not legal

of course your average idiot running an emissions testing station wont know that, and just knows what to check for to pass a visual.

and as for the rb, contrary to popular belief it CAN BE MADE LEGAL.

how you ask?

all thanks to motorex. they went through the painful process to make skylines legal for american sale so technically, it can be made into a smog legal motor. i dont know what is involved and i dont know if it will work in canada.

Post by **-HyJynX-** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

dont u think it will be very pricey threw motorex...

Post by **Joe** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

i didnt save you have to go through motorex to have it donei said motorex made the RB motors legal for US sale, wich means if you can find out what they do for emissions, you can put those systems on your car and go through.

Post by **SHIFT_Lock** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

he does have a point.

Post by **spec-v5150** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

Kamin wrote:i didnt save you have to go through motorex to have it donei said motorex made the RB motors legal for US sale, wich means if you can find out what they do for emissions, you can put those systems on your car and go through.

which they probably WONT tell you. Again that is part of their legalization process. They dont give that info out. I doubt they would give it to you for smog purposes. You would bebetter off asking some Skyline driver....they prolly WONT know either. So see what SR20 passers did besides bribe.

Post by **SloMoe** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

Kamin wrote:and as for the rb, contrary to popular belief it CAN BE MADE LEGAL.

how you ask?

all thanks to motorex. they went through the painful process to make skylines legal for american sale so technically, it can be made into a smog legal motor. i dont know what is involved and i dont know if it will work in canada.

Well actually its still not legal here. In order to pass smog the engine has to be certified for the chassis your putting it in (read: no modifications can be made to the chassis for it to fit). Yeah its legal in the US when it's in the Skyline, but the Skyline is in a different class than the 240sx. Due to the modifcations the car has to go through to get it to fit in the 240 makes it illegal for use on public roads. It may be able to pass if no modifcations were made to the chassis. All this information can be forund on the EPA website under guidelines for engine swaps.

Post by **Z3RO** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

cool, thanks a lot. What is EPA's website? also where can I get info on motorex and find out stuff about it in ontario? any canadians here that know of places to go to find this kind of stuff out?

Post by **Big Manne** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

Hmmm i guess there are some advantages of living in mississippi they dont give a flying shiet about smog test. we dont even have emission tests here, and getting an inspection sticker consist of driving up to a place that gives them and saying "i need an inspection sticker" and they just give you one without even checking anything on your car. Man i love rednecks for stuff like that

Post by **spec-v5150** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

Z3RO wrote:cool, thanks a lot. What is EPA's website? also where can I get info on motorex and find out stuff about it in ontario? any canadians here that know of places to go to find this kind of stuff out?

http://www.epa.govhttp://www.motorex.net or http://www.skylinegtr.com

I doubt they will help you. They paid to do that testing. Why would they give it to you. Taken from thier FAQ

Q. What modifications do you perform in order for the GT-R to meet US regulations ?

A. In order to protect our business interests, research and developmentcosts, the answer to this question is confidential. Some of the basic items that are changed are things such as US emissions, speedometer , crash structure , lighting , US VIN , warning , and information labels.

Post by **Joe** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

SloMoe wrote:Well actually its still not legal here. In order to pass smog the engine has to be certified for the chassis your putting it in (read: no modifications can be made to the chassis for it to fit). Yeah its legal in the US when it's in the Skyline, but the Skyline is in a different class than the 240sx. Due to the modifcations the car has to go through to get it to fit in the 240 makes it illegal for use on public roads. It may be able to pass if no modifcations were made to the chassis. All this information can be forund on the EPA website under guidelines for engine swaps.

modifications to the chassis?custom mounts or a crossmember dosent modify the chassis. they are refering to major reconstructive work, widening, extending, firewall work, etc

Post by **spec-v5150** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

Kamin wrote:modifications to the chassis?custom mounts or a crossmember dosent modify the chassis. they are refering to major reconstructive work, widening, extending, firewall work, etc

Nismo241 did firewall work. He had to cut a hole for the speedo cable. However you slice it, it is illegal plain and simple.

Post by **Phat_Optimo** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

Smog what is that

. I guess there are some good things that come out of living in the Mid-South (TN).

Post by **Big Manne** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

Phat_Optimo wrote:Smog what is that . I guess there are some good things that come out of living in the Mid-South (TN).

where in TN do u live, im in Tupelo,MS

Post by **240SXsilverS13** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

damn, that sux for you guys who live in states that picking on you with smog test craps but in tenn,we dont get smog test

Post by **Joe** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

spec-v5150 wrote:Nismo241 did firewall work. He had to cut a hole for the speedo cable. However you slice it, it is illegal plain and simple.

but that dosent mean you cant get through emissions.

Post by **Big Manne** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

240SXsilverS13 wrote:damn, that sux for you guys who live in states that picking on you with smog test craps but in tenn,we dont get smog test

yea there are some good reasons to live in the south they really dont care about emissions as long as it runs it will pass

Post by **Phat_Optimo** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

Big Manne wrote:where in TN do u live, im in Tupelo,MS

I live right outside of Memphis in Lakeland. Lakeland does not have emissions testing, but Memphis does. Tupelo is not far. 1hr and 1/2 drive form here. We pass by there alot on the way to our friends house near Starkville MS.

Post by **Onizuka** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

spec-v5150 wrote:Nismo241 did firewall work. He had to cut a hole for the speedo cable. However you slice it, it is illegal plain and simple.

im sorry but thats not right (or at least from what i have read) because Mckinney motorsports sells a full 100% legal (except in cali of course) RB25&26 swap kits (with motor mounts etc...).

and drilling holes in the firewall isnt illegal i dont think, or putting a hole for a subwoofer power cable would be illegal, and places like circut city or any car audio shop have been breaking the law for the past 10+ years

Post by **martin** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

Z3RO wrote:was wondering, is it even possible to have an RB in a 240 and pass emissions and and all other types of inspections in Ontario, Canada? If it is, will it still pass emissions with a full cat-back exhaust and an airfilter?

also, do I have to get a different exhaust if I get an RB engine? or can I keep my old aftermarket exhaust?

Yes you can pass the emission test in Ontario with a RB, or at least you can with a SR. What you have to do is take teh test as a "hot rod" when they ask why it qualifies as a hot ord tell them it's a engine that wasn't available in this chassis, or even in Canada. Give them the engine code RB25DET or whatevere, they'll punch it in and verify. You'll have to meet 1980 Emission specs. Not really sure what they are, but my SR passed no problems. I do have a 3" cat on there, but no AIV system, no EGR, no air pump etc.

You should be able to keep your aftermarket exhaust, howevere if it's less than 3" you'll be giving up some horsepower.

I hope this helps.

-Martin.

Post by **spec-v5150** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

J-Spec Tuner wrote:im sorry but thats not right (or at least from what i have read) because Mckinney motorsports sells a full 100% legal (except in cali of course) RB25&26 swap kits (with motor mounts etc...).

and drilling holes in the firewall isnt illegal i dont think, or putting a hole for a subwoofer power cable would be illegal, and places like circut city or any car audio shop have been breaking the law for the past 10+ years

Well that was 2 comments in one big *** entence...LOL. I am not saying it is illegal because he cut a hole in the firewall. I was stating he did modifications to the firewall and someone said that may/is illegal in canada

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by SloMoe Well actually its still not legal here. In order to pass smog the engine has to be certified for the chassis your putting it in (read: no modifications can be made to the chassis for it to fit). Yeah its legal in the US when it's in the Skyline, but the Skyline is in a different class than the 240sx. Due to the modifcations the car has to go through to get it to fit in the 240 makes it illegal for use on public roads. It may be able to pass if no modifcations were made to the chassis. All this information can be forund on the EPA website under guidelines for engine swaps. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

modifications to the chassis?custom mounts or a crossmember dosent modify the chassis. they are refering to major reconstructive work, widening, extending, firewall work, etc

This is what I was referring to when I made that statement

My second point was that either way that engine wasnt available in North America or in a 240. So if Canadian laws are the same as the US, then it is illegal to have it in a 240.

Post by **Onizuka** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

but it IS legal in america, because the 240 has been ceritfied to have a RB25 in it thanks to Mckinney motorsports (i think you have to have their mount kit and the motor from them) + MotoRex (for making the skyline a street legal car).

As long as the (nissan/motorex) motor is going in a nissan older than the motor it would be legal for the same exact reason you can swap US honda motors legally.

Post by **spec-v5150** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

hunh check that **** out....learn something new everyday. BUT how would one get around emissions??? Well **** motorex can make it emissions legal, but I thought since that was part of the legalization process for the Skyline, they wouldnt give out that info

Post by **Onizuka** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

im not sure of the details either, but call Mckinney and they will tell you its legal and the details about how to do it properly.

Post by **240SXplan** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

hi.. I could help but see that..

You guys know that the SR20DE.. comes in a SENTRA SE-R and G20 and NX2000..

The SR20DET.. is not much different..

plai

Post by **Red_Liner** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

Anything can pass emmision with a proper tune up and playing with the fuel settings...

dont even tell em its swapped, let em run it as a KA24DE engine and see if it passes

they've never even looked underneath my hood when i was doing the emmision tests on my other cars....

Post by **93RPS13** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 9:48 pm

http://www.motorex.net/common_asked.html first question says the engines are not detuned, so im guess that they just making the car itself legal not the engine...correct me if im wrong

RB's engines legal in Ontario Canada?

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