Rate this car.

[Jesda]

Rate the appearance.

[vicQ45]

sweet crap! that car is pure sex. so stealthy and mean. that is such a beautiful mark. please tell me you're gonna buy it!

[PantherRacer]

she's a beaut looks a lil like a flying saucer from that angle though lol very stealthy indeed

[MinisterofDOOM]

[PantherRacer]

now tell me what car that is and I'll be happier lol

[Jesda]

1995 Lincoln Mark VIIIBlacked out grille, debadged/dechromed/blackened body and bumpers, Mustang "Bulitt" wheels, lowered an inch or so, and tinted.

Unfortunately, its not for sale (cant blame the guy). Its certainly something I would want to do if I bought a Mark, which would have to be satin white or black.

My friend's 93 Mark is white with handicapped plates. I recently scared the hell out of some kid in a hopped up-looking Camaro, who probably felt embarassed when he realized he lost badly to a guy in a 'grandpa' car with cripple plates.

[vicQ45]

i would hardly call a mark a grandpa car. it's one of the most beastly cars on the planet. in my eyes, lincoln will always be above caddy. they just make more timeless, classy cars with vastly better interiors. the stock Q is still a hair faster though.

[Bubba1]

i would hardly call a mark a grandpa car. it's one of the most beastly cars on the planet. in my eyes, lincoln will always be above caddy. they just make more timeless, classy cars with vastly better interiors. the stock Q is still a hair faster though.

I'm not sure I'd call the Mark VIII timeless. The shape is sporty, but it is a stinkin' big, long, heavy, ill handling, unreliable luxo barge. It rides and handles more like of a grandpa car than a sports car.

[MinisterofDOOM]

i would hardly call a mark a grandpa car. it's one of the most beastly cars on the planet. in my eyes, lincoln will always be above caddy. they just make more timeless, classy cars with vastly better interiors. the stock Q is still a hair faster though.

For once, man, I have to disagree with you.Lincoln has always been the pointless floatmobiles.Even in the "dark ages" of the mid 80's to mid 90's, Cadillac managed to retain some sportiness. Always offered attractive models, even if some were golferized. Lincoln, meanwhile, offered nothing sporty until the current LS.

And most Lincolns are a** ugly. Yeah, the Mark VIII was usually great looking. The Continental was always s***. You don't see cadillac selling rebadged chevy's. At least they build their own cars.

Cadillac has always been a luxury performance brand--ALWAYS, except for certain models in the dark ages. Lincoln has always been the old guy cars that sometimes look cool.

I always thought of Lincoln as ford's version of Buick, not ford's version of Caddillac. Merc is ford's oldsmobile. Ford doesn't offer anything close to Cadillac.

Lincoln's got the LS.Caddy's got the CTS, STS, XLR, and the V lineup.

No way on earth does Lincoln stand anywhere near, let alone above, Cadillac.

[Jesda]

I'm not sure I'd call the Mark VIII timeless. The shape is sporty, but it is a stinkin' big, long, heavy, ill handling, unreliable luxo barge. It rides and handles more like of a grandpa car than a sports car.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that. They have a 400k reputation (4.6L V8 used in the livery business), secure handling, and its a couple hundred pounds lighter than the Q. I only wish the ride around town was -less- firm.

The Q will outhandle and outrun the Mark and has a much nicer interior, but theyre quite close, with the Mark being dramatically lower in maintenance and fuel costs. This is why it has my interest. This false belief that it drives like a Town Car only adds to the fun -- people won't see you coming.

[vicQ45]

For once, man, I have to disagree with you.Lincoln has always been the pointless floatmobiles.Even in the "dark ages" of the mid 80's to mid 90's, Cadillac managed to retain some sportiness. Always offered attractive models, even if some were golferized. Lincoln, meanwhile, offered nothing sporty until the current LS.

And most Lincolns are a** ugly. Yeah, the Mark VIII was usually great looking. The Continental was always s***. You don't see cadillac selling rebadged chevy's. At least they build their own cars.

Cadillac has always been a luxury performance brand--ALWAYS, except for certain models in the dark ages. Lincoln has always been the old guy cars that sometimes look cool.

I always thought of Lincoln as ford's version of Buick, not ford's version of Caddillac. Merc is ford's oldsmobile. Ford doesn't offer anything close to Cadillac.

Lincoln's got the LS.Caddy's got the CTS, STS, XLR, and the V lineup.

No way on earth does Lincoln stand anywhere near, let alone above, Cadillac.

while i don't disagree the performance of the new caddys is anything but astounding, lincoln has always focused more on luxury and timeless design. try riding in both a mid-eighties town car and a deville. not even close in comparison. the devilles now look old, ghetto, and outdated, while almost every lincoln(save the last 2 continentals) still shares the same basic design. the mark has always been different from the other lincolns in terms of ride, handling, and performance. the mark VIII didn't use the plastic-ridden crown vic 4.6l, but a different intech v8 that has proven itself to be extremely solid. personally, i prefer the classy, big look of the lincolns over the new, sporty, pointy caddies. the ride in any generation town car is nothing short of excellent. tc/cv/gm are some of, if not, the last body-on-frame cars on the road, which really gives them the soft, smooth, quet edge over the competitors.

when it comes down to it, imo, caddy is great for a poor man's bmw. look at the past 3 generations of town cars and notice how little has changed. that is what i would call timeless design. inlike caddy, lincoln doesn't even come within 100 miles of marketing the TC as the least bit sporty. it's all about the ride baby. if you've never had the chance to take a town car on a road trip, then you're missing out big time. and what did caddy have to compete with the mark VIII in its run? the FWD STS? go gm! kill off any chance of making a great car by making it fwd.

caddy=fast, crappy interior, firm ride, great price for something that compares to a bmw!lincoln=timeless luxury icon, buttery-soft ride, eerily quiet.

they're hardly even in the same market anymore

i'd seriously like to see anyone compare a lincoln interior to a caddy interior and choose the caddy.

oh, and don't go comparing an impala to a crown vic now! seriously, thats as open-and-shut as it comes

[M3Racer]

I guess i'll be the first to say I don't really like it. The general shape makes it look like a Lincon LS was inflated but started to bulge. I also dont like the way the headlights look.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Ahh, now you see where we differ.

I HATE floaty comfort barges. I hate them with a passion. Cars are for fun, not relaxing. If I wanted to relax, I'd pull up a Lay-Z-Boy and a cold beer.

A few cars, like the G50 Q, the Fuga/M, and the current Maxima, pull of both sport and lux very very well.

But if it's only one or the other, there's absolutely no question that I'd choose sport over lux.

As for road trips...I don't WANT to be relaxed and floaty. I want to be comfortable, but I like to ENJOY the road, not hover disconectedly above it.

You're very right: Caddy and Lincoln have not shared a market for a long time (in fact, never, IMO, did they build similar cars). For the most part, Lincoln is no more my style than Lexus (though they're better looking, and not Toyota made, so they're 1-up for that).

I'm a HUGE fan of Cadillac's current styling and overal design schemes, from the bodies to the drivetrains, and everything in between.As it stands, Caddy is my #2 automaker. "Poor man's BWM?" Hell no. They're FAR beyond Bimmer. Bimmer's gone to s***. Caddy is what BMW was ten years ago. Only less expensive and less electical problems.

Just the words "Supercharged Northstar" make my legs go to jelly.

[vicQ45]

personally, my only problem with the new caddies is the styling(just a personal preference, they're very original) and the crappy interiors. the power and precision is something to behold at an amazing price. gm doing the only thing it knows how to do. make ridiculously high-performance cars with crapped-out interiors that anyone can afford! hello new z06! if only gm would focus more on this market, and less on this fwd trash and trying to compete with the japanese, they wouldn't be so far down the toilet, not to mention they wouldn't have the poor reputation they've come to acquire

[flohtingPoint]

Quite sexy, I'd totally sport it. Would I take it to a motorsports event? Nope, but it would make one HELL of a daily driver =)

[M3Racer]

I'm a HUGE fan of Cadillac's current styling and overal design schemes, from the bodies to the drivetrains, and everything in between.As it stands, Caddy is my #2 automaker. "Poor man's BWM?" Hell no. They're FAR beyond Bimmer. Bimmer's gone to s***. Caddy is what BMW was ten years ago. Only less expensive and less electical problems.

If Cadillac has passed BMW, why the hell would they create a car (The STS-V) to try and go after a BMW (The M5). They couldn't do it. The STS-V is slower in the 0-60 even then the E39. They won't even touch the E60. Oh yeah, and the STS-V, costs about 10k more then an M5, and about 50-60k more then the E39 M5. And personally I'd take the old M5 over anything Caddy has to offer right now.

[Jesda]

Actually, the CTS is similar in dimensions to the 5-series. The STS is much larger. Its the CTS-V that was created to go after the last M5.

BMW loses yet another comparison because they make cars that are cramped and overpriced.

[Bubba1]

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that. They have a 400k reputation (4.6L V8 used in the livery business), secure handling, and its a couple hundred pounds lighter than the Q. I only wish the ride around town was -less- firm.

The Q will outhandle and outrun the Mark and has a much nicer interior, but theyre quite close, with the Mark being dramatically lower in maintenance and fuel costs. This is why it has my interest. This false belief that it drives like a Town Car only adds to the fun -- people won't see you coming.

I'm not familiar with the "400K" reputation, but I have heard of it's 40K reputation ... falling apart at 40K miles. That 4.6L V-8 motor is also used in the Grand Marquis and Mustang. I agree that it rides a little more firmly than a Town Car. But the one I drove felt absolutely numb in the steering dept, leaned pretty far in turns, the acceleration was not particularly blazing (after all it's about 2 tons of car) and was pretty softly sprung compared to other sporty looking cars. Add that to the dated Star Wars themed interior styling, and I considered a disappointing car to drive.

[vicQ45]

I'm not familiar with the "400K" reputation, but I have heard of it's 40K reputation ... falling apart at 40K miles. That 4.6L V-8 motor is also used in the Grand Marquis and Mustang. I agree that it rides a little more firmly than a Town Car. But the one I drove felt absolutely numb in the steering dept, leaned pretty far in turns, the acceleration was not particularly blazing (after all it's about 2 tons of car) and was pretty softly sprung compared to other sporty looking cars. Add that to the dated Star Wars themed interior styling, and I considered a disappointing car to drive.

not true. the ford 4.6l used in the crown vic, town car, grand marquis, f-series, etc is a 2 valve single-cam v8. the v8 in the mark VIII and mustang cobra is(was) the InTech 4.6l 4 valve DOHC v8. a much more robust and well-built engine. jsut because theyre both 4.6l doesn't mean they're the same engine

[Jesda]

Whoops. My mistake then for mentioning the livery business. Still, the Town Car and post-1995 Continental V8s are known to run 400-500k on a regular basis.

[vicQ45]

Whoops. My mistake then for mentioning the livery business. Still, the Town Car and post-1995 Continental V8s are known to run 400-500k on a regular basis.

the 2v 4.6l from 1996-2001 had the plastic intake manifold problem and basically ruined the image of ford's v8. with the exception of the manifold issue, those engines are pretty much bulletproof. the intech never had a plastic manifold.

[Bubba1]

not true. the ford 4.6l used in the crown vic, town car, grand marquis, f-series, etc is a 2 valve single-cam v8. the v8 in the mark VIII and mustang cobra is(was) the InTech 4.6l 4 valve DOHC v8. a much more robust and well-built engine. jsut because theyre both 4.6l doesn't mean they're the same engine

I stand corrected about the 4.6L. That aside, it's still not a particularly fun car to drive, even with a "more robust" engine. The only Lincoln I've driven that handled decently is the LS, and it's not all that impressive.

Jesda, where are you hearing that Lincoln motors last that 400K-500K? I'm assuming you meant miles instead of yards. I've heard just the opposite about Lincolns. The Lincoln owners I know all got rid of theirs. Common reason for not buying another was that they were too unreliable.

[Mr1der]

s*** MOD.

Caddy had crappy FWD cars in the 70's...

the MK's always had a little giddy up to them.

Caddilac just had that goddamn allante in the 80's...

it too was a FWD V8 car....I'd much rather have a 5.0 MKVII.

I'd like a MKVIII with the Intec motor...and a turbokit.

oh, you see way way more Vics in commercial use ala cabs than you do the older Caprices....even the old Vics are still quite common.

I've seen Buicks and everything else being used as cabs now...

to Lincoln's credit...the towncar sucks. you don't see many older Continentals or Towncars honestly though...not really more Caddies either...

the Cadillacs can never touch the '62-68' (I think) Mark III and Continental. the 'vert Continental is a thing of true beauty.

[Jesda]

Jesda, where are you hearing that Lincoln motors last that 400K-500K?

People who own and operate vehicles in the livery business. They swear by Lincoln. Town Cars -do- have a solid reputation. No, Town Cars arent "driver's cars", nor are they supposed to be. Theyre luxurious workhorses.

[Jesda]

Oh, and one of the secrets is to keep the vehicles running all day. No stopping/starting. Just idling or driving.

[vicQ45]

to Lincoln's credit...the towncar sucks. you don't see many older Continentals or Towncars honestly though...not really more Caddies either...

i don't know about you guys, but in houston i see at more 20+ year old crown vics/town cars/ grand marquis than i do any other car from that timeframe. not to mention that they're all beaten to hell and hardly ever maintained. i'd like to see ANYONE say that the ford 302cid used in the eighties town cars crap. they have a solid reputation for pretty much coasting through 300k with no probs. not to mention they have some of the most comfortable interiors of any car i've ever had the pleasure of driving. how do you go about calling town cars "crap"?

[Bubba1]

i don't know about you guys, but in houston i see at more 20+ year old crown vics/town cars/ grand marquis than i do any other car from that timeframe. not to mention that they're all beaten to hell and hardly ever maintained. i'd like to see ANYONE say that the ford 302cid used in the eighties town cars crap. they have a solid reputation for pretty much coasting through 300k with no probs. not to mention they have some of the most comfortable interiors of any car i've ever had the pleasure of driving. how do you go about calling town cars "crap"?

I agree with you. I had an 85, 88 and a 92 Grand Marquis. The 85 and 88 had the 302. Never a problem, no complaints. My 92 GMarq had the 4.6 and that was a POS. That car swore me off Fords.

[vicQ45]

aye the 4.6 was a step down. the early ones had some injection problems i heard. then 96-01 they had the plastic manifold issue. they're supposed to be pretty much perfected by now, however. just an odd note. the 96-01 4.6 with the plastic manifold were only recalled for the P71 police and taxi fleet cars. never for the general public. nice move ford :P they got involved in a lawsuit a few years down the road and agreed to reimburse everyone who had repairs done due to the manifold.

[Bubba1]

aye the 4.6 was a step down. the early ones had some injection problems i heard. then 96-01 they had the plastic manifold issue. they're supposed to be pretty much perfected by now, however. just an odd note. the 96-01 4.6 with the plastic manifold were only recalled for the P71 police and taxi fleet cars. never for the general public. nice move ford :P they got involved in a lawsuit a few years down the road and agreed to reimburse everyone who had repairs done due to the manifold.

I didn't have that injector problem. The 4.6 actually felt a little smoother than the 302, especially when the motor was cold. But when you put your foot in it, it just didn't have the same oomph as the old 302.

[Mr1der]

the 4.6 took a big dive in the torque department...

they didn't give it more power to make up for that loss...

it'll run longer the the 5.0 while giving less loss in perfomance though.

and they're oh so smooth...mmmm...

the town car never gave as nice a ride as the Caddies...it was a weird rigid float...

the styling is very bland too.

I've never liked towncars...