Rape pregnancies are Gods plan

[WDRacing]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... 3075.story

In short, this Mourdock character is pro-life. I have no problem with someone having that stance, or any stance for that matter. Just don't push your views onto others. Anyway, he actually said that any pregnancy that results from rape is Gods plan. What a fvcking toolbag. *IF* there is a God, he gave us free will. That's it. He doesn't diddle with our lives. That's just like saying a rapist is doing Gods work.

I sincerely wish people would keep their religion to themselves. The same goes for the non-religious types, believe whatever you want, just keep it to yourself.

This type of person has zero business in Politics at any level.

[stebo0728]

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Why...God....why don't these idiots form their own party, VEP, Vaginal Enforcement Party? At least then we'd see them for what they were, and they'd stop dragging the rest of us rational conservatives down.

[WDRacing]

I couldn't agree more buddy. I hate being associated with the mofo's.

[stebo0728]

And its not so much that I don't understand what he's getting at, I don't think he really means it quite the way it came out, but there may not be a good way for an idea like that TO come out. The biggest problem is that he wants his belief to transcend his own mind and into law. I know a few people who live today as products of rape. And I know one who is actually making very big contributions to the world. Had that rape not happened, he wouldn't be alive today. But that doesn't mean that God meant for his mother to be raped, or to befall suffering in order to create this young man. And I dont want to make a religious thing out of this, but point being, keep this sh*t to yourself already!

[Marenta]

It'd be nice if all politicians were secular. Sigh.

[themadscientist]

Why...God....why don't these idiots form their own party, VEP, Vaginal Enforcement Party? At least then we'd see them for what they were, and they'd stop dragging the rest of us rational conservatives down.

I think the better question is how long will people stay in a party that becomes kookier by the day? What are you "rational conservatives" to do?

[stebo0728]

Become completely disenfranchised? If we aren't already. The republicans at least give us a reach around every now and again.

[telcoman]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... 3075.story

In short, this Mourdock character is pro-life. I have no problem with someone having that stance, or any stance for that matter. Just don't push your views onto others. Anyway, he actually said that any pregnancy that results from rape is Gods plan. What a fvcking toolbag. *IF* there is a God, he gave us free will. That's it. He doesn't diddle with our lives. That's just like saying a rapist is doing Gods work.

I sincerely wish people would keep their religion to themselves. The same goes for the non-religious types, believe whatever you want, just keep it to yourself.

This type of person has zero business in Politics at any level.

Brian:

Nice that we can agree on something but why are so many males on the right in congress introducing legislation that affect woman and then refuse to even let woman speak on the issue?

Telcoman

[WDRacing]

Congress is made up of two parties, both have members dwelling in the far left and right respectively. I don't agree with much either of these groups have to offer. Unfortunately they give everyone in "their" party a bad name. I'm not sure what you mean by "not letting women speak on the issue". I don't think anyone is silencing anyone else. I just think some people believe they know what's best for everyone and intend to force there views on the rest of us. Abortion is a hugely diverse topic with consequences that delve into places most people don't really want to talk about.

Two things I'm sure of...

If you have a pen15, you shouldn't have a say in the matter and we should always air on the side of personal freedom.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

Same kind of thing happens in education too.
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/24/the_rev ... u_thought/
Keep your god out of my goddamn laws (heh heh)

[telcoman]

If you have a pen15, you shouldn't have a say in the matter and we should always air on the side of personal freedom.

And if you don't have a vagina you should not be legislating laws that force medically unnecessary probes into those that do,

[WDRacing]

I don't follow? Have you been probed Howie?

[telcoman]

I was referring to Va Republican Gov Bob McDonald

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/ ... DR20120229

[WDRacing]

It's not hard to understand his POV Howie, he's pro-life. In the womb, the heart beat can be detected earlier by intervaginal probing...that makes me giggle a bit. So for him, he's just supporting his cause.

[telcoman]

Nothing wrong with being pro life

Just don't try to force your views on others and accept the law of the land

If you want to change/ overturn Roe vs Wade than a constitional amendment is the way to go ratified by the necessary number of states.

[stebo0728]

Nothing wrong with being pro life

Just don't try to force your views on others and accept the law of the land

If you want to change/ overturn Roe vs Wade than a constitional amendment is the way to go ratified by the necessary number of states.

You have to understand, in the great conflict of rights known as abortion law, pro-life people place greater value on the right to life, than the right to choice. It doesn't necessarily mean there is zero value in the right of choice. I would imagine also, that pro-choice people don't necessarily place zero value on the right to life either, they just place higher value on the right to choice. Understanding this will help you understand why pro-life advocates are sometime so extreme, because in their estimation, there is a life in the balance that needs not be destroyed. Its to that extent I consider myself pro-life, but, there is a secondary choice sometimes involved. The choice beyond just whether to carry a fetus to term, but the choice whether to continue to risk your own life to do so, or the choice to continue emotional pain started by a heinous act. Its to the extent of those 2 choices that I am pro-choice.

But none of this logic can excuse some of the hardcore extremism of pro-life candidates. To think that an otherwise professed to be "loving God" would impose such heinous act on someone for a greater good. This is unacceptable, and really just downright sick IMHO. I'll stop there because I dont wan't to flip to religious.

[Marenta]

A really good take on the issue by men of the cloth:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/2 ... y-collide/

[stebo0728]

Interesting take here, not really an opinions, just presentation of stats

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... omise.html

References German abortion policy, and how its rates are 1/3 of the US rates

[AppleBonker]

Sorry to bump an old thread, I've been away from this fine poli section for too long.

And its not so much that I don't understand what he's getting at, I don't think he really means it quite the way it came out, but there may not be a good way for an idea like that TO come out. The biggest problem is that he wants his belief to transcend his own mind and into law.

While I often disagree with both you and WD, it seems we are all in agreement on this issue. For the record, I'm pro-choice, but more because I don't like the restrictions - so feel free to assume I'm biased.

What scares me a lot about stuff like this (moreso than stebo's comment about him wanting this belief to transcend his mind into law) is the horrible decision-making skills. Practice whatever religion you want, but don't preach to people that they should follow the "morals" of your religion. What if my God wouldn't intend for the rape pregnancy to happen? Does my God carry less weight? It's just a really poor comment, even for a highly conservative state such as Indiana. He's just alienating a portion of the voting populace, which is not ideal in an election year. If he can't make simple decisions like this, how is he supposed to help run our country.

Sadly, you all would likely be stunned to see how many Mourdock yard signs I see on a daily basis. It says a lot about the people I live near...

On a slightly more amusing note, and not really related, I often wonder how the people around me reconcile their beliefs on issues where one issue would push them towards one candidate and another issue would push them away from said candidate. I see a lot of yard signs declaring that residence to be a "proud union home" along side a number of republican signs. It's fairly apparent that the democrats are more pro-union than the republicans, so I enjoy imagining how these voters decide who would be best to run the country. A lot of give and take in that internal debate...

[themadscientist]

You are looking for consistency in patently inconsistent people. They believe whatever best fits the conversation at the moment and provides the most moral convenience. Vote Romney; he's the guy for that.

[AppleBonker]

Lol, I'm not looking for consistency. I just wish I could be a fly on the wall (or in their heads?) when they are having a debate over presidential candidates. It just seems like it would be an amusing dialogue/monologue.

[themadscientist]

I really don't think they debate anything. They likely just hang around people who think just like them and agree with each other.

[WDRacing]

When I walk my dogs, I let them crap on pro-union/democrat yards...

[AppleBonker]

When I walk my dogs, I let them crap on pro-union/democrat yards...

Then you'd be in a bit of a pickle around here. Proud union home sign right next to a Romney/Ryan sign. What to do?

Actually, I'm kind of stunned to see a few Obama yard signs on my drive to work. I almost have a safety concern for those people. That's not saying conservatives are violent, just that this general area is very conservative and there are a few wackos out there. Most of the folks around me are of the mindset that Obama is the anti-christ and will be taking away our guns/religious freedoms. There is also a mildly-racist mindset in this area (not too shocking considering my town and the surrounding towns are between 90-94% white - not joking).

[stebo0728]

Well, political harassment aside, were I a criminal faced with which house is safer to try and rob, the one sporting the Romney sign, or the one sporting the Obama sign. Gotta tell ya Im hitting the Obama house, just because its far less likely they would have any sort of gun in the house, and they're more likely to just lay down and wait for the cops to get there 2 hours later.

[szh]

Nothing wrong with being pro life

Just don't try to force your views on others and accept the law of the land

If you want to change/ overturn Roe vs Wade than a constitional amendment is the way to go ratified by the necessary number of states.

For a change, I agree with all three of those sentences from you.

Z

[Marenta]

I don't have any yard signs, stebo, but you'd be sore pressed to come into my house. I have guns. :P

In my neighborhood, I see just as many Dem signs as Repub signs.. however, the most common combination that I see is Obama signs with Scott Rigell signs. Now, don't get me wrong, I went all over the map on the ballot, but openly supporting Obama for president and Rigell (R) for House.. sounds odd.

My one sadness was that Jim Webb (R) retired, he was an awesome Senator. Plus, I can't wait for the race in 2 years so I can vote for Mark Warner again.

[themadscientist]

I miss Webb to. Hey, he's got that telescope named for him, though.