Racing at the track Should i Bet on this

Post by **240sxrunner** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

ok my friend has a pimped out VW that gets like 14.7 or lower in the quarter but not lower then 14.2. He wants to race me for 200 dollars and he wont leave me alone untill i do. well so i made the bet and we have our date set for the track. Do you think i will have a chance at wining. i have been to the track before lots of times with my lumina z34 but never with the 240. Heres the list of my mods. thanks!!! i need input cause i have a month before a go so i need to what else i might have to do.

1989 240sxBrand New Clutch OEMNGK spark plugs NEWMSD plug wires 8.5mmHot Shot Headersall full syth oilsInjen IntakeTest Pipe2.75 Mand. bend exhaust full with APC mufferWalbro 255L fuel pumpNX n20 kit 50 shot FT

Post by **lessthanjakejohn** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

don't think you have much chance

edit: didn't see the N20, and i don't know how N20 improves your fourth mile

Post by **MainEvent212** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

APC muffler? get out of here ricer boy

Post by **240sxrunner** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

hey what about the full mand. bend exhaust all the way from the headers with a test pipe thats not rice lol ok APC is rice but it looks good plus the Erebuni GTR Spoiler is more ricey lol but hey it works lol

Post by **ZERO** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

What VW does he have??

Post by **SmithSR** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

You shoulda kept your car stealth mode. Lose the wing.

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

yea it kinda helps to know what VW he has and what he has done to it. a lot of VW's are slow and peices of ****.

Post by **Silviagirl79** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

a month...with those mods? UGHH GET AN SR SWAP DONE ASAP, or turbo your car. Or else withdraw NOW, u dont have a chance. Unless you go the nitrous route.

Post by **gibbo80** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

i think you will keep up with the nitrous and not look to stupid, is this vw all wheel drive?Maybe you should bump up your nitrous to like 75 shot?

Post by **Nismo1182** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

Silviagirl79 wrote:a month...with those mods? UGHH GET AN SR SWAP DONE ASAP, or turbo your car. Or else withdraw NOW, u dont have a chance. Unless you go the nitrous route.

He has a 50 shot.

Post by **Nismo1182** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

gibbo80 wrote:i think you will keep up with the nitrous and not look to stupid, is this vw all wheel drive?Maybe you should bump up your nitrous to like 75 shot?

I agree, Aries says the stock fuel system can handle 100 shot. So id say 75 sounds good, you also have the walbro pump so thats good fuel upgrade for the N02

Post by **gibbo80** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

one other thing you are gonna want for sure is probably a set of slicks or drag radials. If this thing is all wheel drive your gonna want something to help you get out of the hole. I think you have a chance with the nitrous

Post by **Aries** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

Nismo1182 wrote:I agree, Aries says the stock fuel system can handle 100 shot. So id say 75 sounds good, you also have the walbro pump so thats good fuel upgrade for the N02

if you bump up to a 75 shot, you will have a chance.Mote than likely this guy has a 1.8T with a few upgrades he's not telling you about.With a chip, downpipe and exhaust they can run 14.0's with EASE.

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

i know a guy with a jetta 1.8T who has intake, exhaust, blowoff vavle, and a chip. he was at the 1/8th track and his best time was a 9.8, i was also there and i only had intake, exhuast, header, accel wires, rapidfire, plugs and i ran a 9.4

Post by **Nathan** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

Then the guy with the 1.8T is a bad driver

Post by **Pemdas** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

yeah i work at a vw dealership and if its running mid 14's than it has to have some serious power pushing it...1.8t are best at top end and have weak low end. vr6 has potential all around. 2.0...no comment, unless its supercharged.

Post by **240sxrunner** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

He has a VW Golf. not a vr6 one an older one and i saw his time slips from last weekend and he was getting 14.4. i think i might be able to hit low 14s with my 50 shot and all my mods.

Post by **Nismo1182** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

Pemdas wrote:yeah i work at a vw dealership and if its running mid 14's than it has to have some serious power pushing it...1.8t are best at top end and have weak low end. vr6 has potential all around. 2.0...no comment, unless its supercharged.

I agree, VW's arent meant to be drag cars, neither are 240s for that matter. But the VW's have serious top end. You may get the launch, but he will catch up by the end of the track.

Im getting an old school GTi 16V tomorrow, i cant wait

Post by **timmybgood** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

Pemdas wrote:yeah i work at a vw dealership and if its running mid 14's than it has to have some serious power pushing it...1.8t are best at top end and have weak low end. vr6 has potential all around. 2.0...no comment, unless its supercharged.

bah! oh yee of little faith, 2.0's can be quite swift, there are several all motor daily drivers at 15.9. don't get me started on how horrible the nospeed(neuspeed) supercharger is. if its a turbo'd 2.0 then watch out they can be fast, there's one in the 11's(all built though). As for the VW being all wheel drive, unless its a passat, which it probably isn't, then its not AWD. and the 1.8T, with a downpipe, intake, exhaust and an APR 93 chip will easily do low 14's

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

i work at a VW dealer and drive them everyday. their really not that fast. at least i dont think they are. they have absolutely no torque, or low end at all. and i dont think that their top end is all that great either. thats just my opinion.

Post by **Phax** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

Though I've been told that the 1.8T's spool up rather quickly, if he has a larger exhaust, intake and chip... he's already introduced some lag into the equation. How much? I dunno... I don't know what the dyno chart looks like. If it's anything like this one girl I know's Golf, it will have some decent top end pull between 3000-6500/7k.

Given that you have 2.4 liters of displacement to play with, and dump N20 into... you have a reasonable chance of turning the early torque lead off the line, into a win if you're good about it.

Clutch engagement will be a big factor... much more so than reaction time. You might want to wait on the squeeze until 2nd gear +... to overcome the bog with the shift and fly toward the upshift. Just make sure that you have your A/F ratio correctly tuned. Especially if you're planning on upping it to a 75, which makes perfect sense to do.

Does the guy with the VW have a blow off valve? Is everything correctly plumbed on his turbo? If he has a bunch of bolt-ons that haven't been properly tuned, he might dump a bit of boost in between shifts, or rich / lean out if he's gone too far out of the tuning parameters.

Definitely get a video camera. I think it will be a good race.

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

i raced a stock VW golf - manual trans. and beat him by a few car lengths. if this guy doesnt have much done, then i seriously think you have a chance.

Post by **driftaholic** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

make sure you take out all your unneccessary wieight, even go jogging to lose your own weight

Post by **nametakennow** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

timmybgood wrote:and the 1.8T, with a downpipe, intake, exhaust and an APR 93 chip will easily do low 14's

This I can attest to, he hasn't ever dragged it, but my bro has an A4 1.8T with that chip and APR exhaust, chirps the tires whenever he's bored. Says about 205hp and about 250 lb of torque. Yes, the KO3 turbo spools very fast, the torque band on 1.8s is big, especially being turbo.

Post by **Structure240sx** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

daniel240 wrote:i raced a stock VW golf - manual trans. and beat him by a few car lengths. if this guy doesnt have much done, then i seriously think you have a chance.

remember he has the KA24E sohc a lil slower than the dohc. definitly get some good tires, short shifter, lsd would help alot then u should have a chance. do what others were sayin and put in the 75hp jet(s).

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

dude, u got urself in quite a pickel, the back seat, remove it, that'll save some weight, the wheels, run spares if u can, and its obviously to ur advantage to kick up the nitrous, i recommend samshing it at the beggning of 2nd, if u can get ur hands on an LSD, def opt for it. Also, make sure u have under 1/4 tank of gas this will help with the weight a lil bit, hope i was some help, and obviously if u cna get better tires, duh, do so, and good luck, let us know how u turn out, im rootin for ya!!EDIT: when i say run spares, im sure u know only the fronts!!< just clearing it up

Post by **Structure240sx** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

the back seat hardly wieghs anything jsut a peice of foam. u can remove the passenger seat and the spare to help a lil.

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

are you guys just racing once, no matter what? well if you are then you should practice your starts over and over and over. if your only racing once then you want it to be perfect with no mistakes. another thing, run premium and put some octane booster in with it. that might help a little and change your spark plugs right before the race. and definetely do the 75shot. i wouldnt recommend this but it will be all right for just one race in your car. im sure you will win if everything goes right. good luck!

Post by **MainEvent212** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

get some high sidewall tires on smaller rims if u dont have huge perforamance rubber...the reason i say high sidewall rims is because u can deflate them alot for better contact patches...=better acel

Post by **ZERO** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:33 pm

well... you are running a single cam KA, that is better for low end torque than the dual cam. I know it doesn't make much of a difference, but I thought you should know.and I think that you should be able to beat him if you get as much stuff out of your car as possible. maybe even take out the belts. pretty much everything you can do has been said... You are racing a car that in stock form has 115hp(if it is one of the older golfs).

As for the question of lag time on the 1.8T...VW uses KKK-03 turbos. They hava an air recirculation system to reduce lag time to virtually nothing. these turbos are the equivalent of a T25. They will pass their efficiency point close to 1bar. The next step up is the KKK-04 (duh!) which are the stock turbos on the Porsches. Those little engines can easily hold 400hp. The one down side to the 1.8T is that it ha so many electronic controls that if one breaks down, the rest go with it. In other words make sure you have a warranty, because they are not very reliable cars.

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