r32 gtst to gtr swap?

[driftking786]

hey guys i was just wondering if i buy a gts r32 can i just swap in the gtr drivetrain in? would there be any problems? if so what? wiring?

[themadscientist]

no.the whole floor of the unibody would have to be redesigned.You can't get a 32 in the states federally legal anyway.

[RB-Powered]

You can't get a 32 in the states federally legal anyway.

What does this have to do with the guys question? Why are there so many people on this board that are so caught up with the "federally legal" thing?? Why does it matter??

If your particular state allows you to title and drive the car that you want than what's the problem??

I live in Florida and I have two R33's, a GTS-T and a GT-R. I drive them both and I have never had a single problem.

To answer the actual question that was asked, yes, you can make that swap happen. It does take a little work but if you have a GT-R front clip than you are 90% done. You'll need to modify the front frame rails a bit for axle clearance but it only takes a couple pieces of steel and a welder. Most everything else in the front will bolt on. You can order the GT-R rear wiring harnesses and if you try really hard you can get someone to ship you the hydraulic system out of the trunk for the ATTESSA-ETS.

[Gold Digger]

What does this have to do with the guys question? Why are there so many people on this board that are so caught up with the "federally legal" thing?? Why does it matter??

If your particular state allows you to title and drive the car that you want than what's the problem??

I live in Florida and I have two R33's, a GTS-T and a GT-R. I drive them both and I have never had a single problem.

The reason we make such a big deal out of it, is because people who spend serious coin on a car, especially a potentially 14-17 year old car, don't really want to have that little thought in the back of their mind that something COULD happen.

What happens if you get into an accident in your Skylines, which may or may not be federally legal? If your car is only state legal, and the accident is your fault, what is your insurance going to do to you when they find out that your car isn't really supposed to be here?

THAT'S why we always stress this point.

[themadscientist]

What does this have to do with the guys question? Why are there so many people on this board that are so caught up with the "federally legal" thing?? Why does it matter??

If your particular state allows you to title and drive the car that you want than what's the problem??

I live in Florida and I have two R33's, a GTS-T and a GT-R. I drive them both and I have never had a single problem.

I speed everywhere I go, no problems, I have'nt been caught. Does that mean speeding is legal? No, it means I am lucky. You drive cars that operate in a shadowy corner of the law, sooner or later light will be cast in that corner and what happens happens. The reason why so many people emphasize this is is because other people, you for example, make it sound as if it is 100% legal, it isn't. We care about other people and want them to know the whole story before they decide if the risk is worth it to them. After that whatever happens is their fault.

Ask this guy if it matters

[RB-Powered]

Did your State give you permission to speed on public highways? I don't think so. So your analogy makes absolutely no sense and has nothing to do with your argument.

Are you trying to say that some day, some federal agent is going to knock on my door and tell me that the State I live in was wrong to give me a title and registration for my vehicle and they're going to have to take it and crush it?

You show me a case where one person was granted a Title and Registration but later had their car taken from them. I sure as hell havent heard of a single one in my State. Whether the car is an import, an old car that never had a title or even a damn homemade kit car, once your State gives you a Title and Registration they are giving you permission to drive your vehicle on the public highways. Furthermore, the insurance companies are willing to insure it. To me, that's all the legality I need.

One more thing, the car in your picture was obviously wrecked so what makes you think that has anything to do with the legality of driving the car?

So, one more time, what does any of this have to do with a guy wanting to do a GT-S to GT-R conversion?
Modified by RB-Powered at 7:31 AM 10/3/2007

[themadscientist]

Did your State give you permission to speed on public highways? I don't think so. So your analogy makes absolutely no sense and has nothing to do with your argument. Modified by RB-Powered at 7:31 AM 10/3/2007

If tomorrow the state decided 100mph was the speed limit the federal government would shut that down with a quicknessThere have been many examples where a state has tried to pass a law that superseded federal law, all fail. This is an example of one that has not been contested yet, it will happen.

Are you trying to say that some day, some federal agent is going to knock on my door and tell me that the State I live in was wrong to give me a title and registration for my vehicle and they're going to have to take it and crush it?Modified by RB-Powered at 7:31 AM 10/3/2007

You have a very naive understanding of what the government can and does do. The government can force you to get rid of a U.S. spec car simply because your neighbors think it is an eyesore. That is a fully legal car but due to some circumstance, expired plates, no place to park it etc, bye bye. Now imagine how much less solid ground you are on with a car you snuck into the country and scrawled a random "VIN" on.

You show me a case where one person was granted a Title and Registration but later had their car taken from them. I sure as hell havent heard of a single one in my State. Whether the car is an import, an old car that never had a title or even a damn homemade kit car, once your State gives you a Title and Registration they are giving you permission to drive your vehicle on the public highways. Furthermore, the insurance companies are willing to insure it. To me, that's all the legality I need.

When the federal government decides it has had enough of this **** they will be coming for all the statie cars. I hope they are in a good mood otherwise you will soon enough understand why state alone isn't enough.

One more thing, the car in your picture was obviously wrecked so what makes you think that has anything to do with the legality of driving the car?

That is the third or fourth picture in a series, it didn't start out that way; he drove it in on court orders. In this case I believe it was excessive reckless driving not the legality of the car that caused it's destruction. It is a nice reminder of what the government can do to your car if they choose to. All it takes is a signature from a person of authority.

So, one more time, what does any of this have to do with a guy wanting to do a GT-S to GT-R conversion? Modified by RB-Powered at 7:31 AM 10/3/2007

All of this has everything to do with it. He needs to know what could happen if he mistakenly believes what you believe. He might be standing next to you in the scrap yard watching his "legal enough" car being torn apart.

read, from the NHTSA website. * Theft prevention markings must be inscribed on the required parts prior to importation if the vehicle is subject to Part 541. * At time of entry a DOT bond must be posted by the RI or the person importing the vehicle under contract with an RI. If the RI is not the importer of record, then the Customs entry and the conformity package must contain a copy of the contract between the RI and the importer of record. (i.e., importer of a vehicle for personal use) * The vehicle must go directly to the RI's facility, which was approved by NHTSA. * Check and if necessary, perform work required by all outstanding recalls on the vehicle. * The RI performs all modifications required to bring the vehicle into conformity. * Upon completion of the modifications the RI permanently affixes its certification label to the vehicle at its facility. * Prepare the conformity package. The RI must sign the Statement of Conformity. * The RI maintains possession of the vehicle at its facility for 30 days after submission of the conformity package to NHTSA. Vehicles may be released in less than 30 days, if the RI receives a bond release letter from NHTSA . * Prior to releasing the vehicle, the RI places a copy of the bond release letter and the recall warranty policy in the glove box of the vehicle. * The vehicle may now be released and titled for highway use.

Post importation

* Notify and remedy vehicles conformed by the RI for 8 years after importation. * Submit quarterly recall status reports to NHTSA for 6 quarters or until all vehicles imported by the RI that are subject to the recall have been remedied.

CIVIL PENALTY, REVOCATION/SUSPENSION OF RI REGISTRATION, SEIZING OF VEHICLES

There are RIs who are not following all of the above requirements. Failure to adhere to the above requirements has and will be enforced. Enforcement actions will result in civil penalties, suspension or revocation of RI registration, and seizure of vehicles by Customs. A list of the enforcement actions taken will appear periodically in the Newsletter.

Got all that paperwork? I know you don't Good luck!

[RB-Powered]

All that means absolutely nothing to me. I don't live my life worrying about what the government may or may not do. If they can do anything and everything like you say than what difference would it make to worry about anything at all? You'd go insane since there's no personal security at all with our cavalier federal govenment just waiting to ruin our lives. .

What do you think about this, every single car on the road that has had it's catalytic converters removed, usually for high perforamance applications, is no longer federally legal. Why don't you lead a crusade to educate all of them about how our evil government may be on it's way to take their cars to the federal crusher.

You can quote whatever statutes you want, bottom line, I know that I am legal today and I am sure I will be tomorrow.

I think you are pretty much an ******* who simply can't find or can't afford a Skyline. I don't believe for a second that you are such an upstanding citizen that you don't want one because one day someone may say it's illegal for you to have it.

So, once again, WTF does any of this have to do with a guy that wants to convert a GTS-T to a GT-R????????????????

[themadscientist]

All that means absolutely nothing to me. I don't live my life worrying about what the government may or may not do. If they can do anything and everything like you say than what difference would it make to worry about anything at all? You'd go insane since there's no personal security at all with our cavalier federal govenment just waiting to ruin our lives. .

Neither do I. Me personally, I would risk it. I would not advise others to do the same though. Everyone has to choose but it is best to base a choice on a full understanding of the facts.

What do you think about this, every single car on the road that has had it's catalytic converters removed, usually for high perforamance applications, is no longer federally legal. Why don't you lead a crusade to educate all of them about how our evil government may be on it's way to take their cars to the federal crusher.

They are no longer federally legal, are you disputing that? I would but educating you is taking up a lot of my free time chum.

You can quote whatever statutes you want, bottom line, I know that I am legal today and I am sure I will be tomorrow.

That statement is so ridiculous it should be matted, framed and hung up in the museum of asininity.

So, once again, WTF does any of this have to do with a guy that wants to convert a GTS-T to a GT-R????????????????

The kid needs to know EXACTLY what he is getting into and you are talking out of your ***. Were it just your car and your money you were risking with you half-cocked theories I wouldn't care but I do not wish to see a third party **** themselves based upon what you THINK you know.

I think you are pretty much an ******* who simply can't find or can't afford a Skyline. I don't believe for a second that you are such an upstanding citizen that you don't want one because one day someone may say it's illegal for you to have it.

Now this quote is out of sequence, I did that because I wanted to save the best for last. I should rip into you but the stunning degree of irony in that statement is so gemlike, no inclusions, F color, perfect cut in a Tiffany setting, that I must laugh for about ten minutes Ok, I am back now. I really think you should use the search function guy. Here's a cliff's notes version fer ya.I have lived in Japan for close to 15 years. I have owned well over 30 cars in that time. I have likely owned more Skylines than you have owned cars period, nine R30 Skylines and five R32s at last count. Here is one of my R30s Here is anotherHere is one of my R32s sitting next to it's older bros Wait I forgot my 180! silly me, here is that.

http://www.nicoclub.com/ROTM/rotmdec05.shtml

here is what's going in that

How you doing? still think you know me? Still think your the man and your **** don't stink? Hmmm?

[driftersr20sx]

Who said he was going to drive it on the streets?!?!? We all know he is more than likely going to, but for all we know he may just be building a track car!!! All he did is ask if it can be converted!!

[themadscientist]

I answered his question

[driftersr20sx]

True!!!

[RB-Powered]

The fact is this, anyone who modifies a great many areas of there car has probably made if federally "illegal". With that said, the automotive perforamance industry is still a 40+ BILLION dollar industry. It's obviously not stopping anyone so what makes you feel so obligated to point this out when it comes to Skylines?

I've seen you chime in about this topic on several threads and I just don't understand why. Everyone knows the Skylines are in a gray area. That's why it's referred to as a "gray Market" car. Why do you think you have the right to "scare" them out of what may be their dream car?

I guess I'm done now. I'll check back next year when I'm still enjoying the hell out of my "illegal" cars. Thanks for all you input.

[themadscientist]

I am not trying to scare anyone, I am making sure they understand the possible consequences of their actions. What decision they make is entirely up to them.

I roll illegal as well. My car was "getting inspected" this week, it passed. Oh, it has no engine in it by the way I understand the consequences if I was to get caught and choose to do what I do. If I was not aware of it though I would want someone to tell me so I could make an informed decision.

[duffman1278]

Different states but anyways I walked onto this one property a few months ago because they had these 2 R33's and an R34 sitting in the parking lot. So of course I pulled over to see it in this parking lot, when I went in to see them I got kicked out and the lady told me that the cars were all seized from people who bring them in illegally and Yes if they find out it was brought in illegally and are driving it. She said they just auction them off but to dealers. Some do get impounded though if you get caught with them. This is cali though.

[RB-Powered]

If they were seized by customs for illegal importation than they will not be auctioned off to dealers. They will either be destroyed or sent back out of the country.

Car's do definetly get seized on a regular basis when they get flagged at customs. It's a different story once they are out in public and titled and registered with the state. There are Skylines sitting at the port of Tampa that have been seized. The customs laws are just like any other law. They are meant to be interpreted by whoever is enforcing them at the time. There are very different ways to interpret nearly every law on the books. I guess what I'm getting at is that if you understand the law and know how to make it work for you than you can make things happen.

Perfect example: OJ Simpson

[RB-Powered]

How you doing? still think you know me? Still think your the man and your **** don't stink? Hmmm?

I was looking at those pictures and I have to say, YOU are definetly the man....

The man using a cinder block to hold up his turbo's!

[themadscientist]

I have to make the manifold, I needed to see if they would even fit between the engine and strut tower first. Those are a perfect set of turbos for an RB26, I'm short 600ccs and two exhaust pulses though, they might not even spin.