R32 GTS4 vs GTS-T plus neo gts4 awd driveline

[craz4240]

Hey guys I searched this forum as well as skylines austrailia a bit already. However I was looking into some insight on taking a stock gts-t and making it into a gts4.Also info on swapping in a neo gts4 engine/trans etc.

I assume a few things on the gts-t-gts-4 question:

Shocks are differentOil pan/diff differentAttesa ecu and sensors not in the gts-trear driveshaft differentas well as the front spindles/hubs maybeaxles in the front of course

Not sure on a couple things:Final drive being the sameengine mounting/crossmember

Also if anyone has a link that someone has done a gts-t-gts4 conversion it would be most appreciated.

I assume I'm answering my own question on cost to do the swap over it is no doubt on par with 240sx awd swaps.

Reason I ask is both are legal to import to canada,I have no problem finding good gts-t's for under 6k,but finding a good gts-4 at all is like a needle in a haystack.

Also my final goal after I drive the stock car for awile is to swap in a neo or r34 gts-4 engine and trans into it.

I assume a couple things here:Mounting of the engine is differentdifferent final drives againdriveshaft differencespossibly front axle differencestrans differencewiring of course

Since I am having such a hard time locating a decent gts-4 I also am debating finding a decent gtr and selling off the rb26 stuff and investing in the neo swap,I know godzilla hater but it's what I like.

Any insight to this would be greatly appreciated,I'm not hard up for money for the car but I don't want to waste quid when I could use it better.

I also posess alot of upgraded rb20 junk I bought for my s14 rb20det I would actually like to use for awile like.

Full bottom end bearings by aclnew stock piston ringsfull gasket kitarp head,main,rod boltsoil pumpwater pumptiming gearturbonetics t3/to4espearco ICfidanza cam gearsaeromotive fprturbonetcs raptor BOVturbonetics RG-45 wastegategriffin radiatorand other stuff

My 240 is up for sale in it's current state and if it sells this is the road I intend on going down. A

Any help or insight would be appreciated guys

Kendal

[Gold Digger]

Why would you decide to remove and sell the RB26 from a GT-R and replace it with a NEO RB25? That's just insane.

You'd have everything to make a GTS4 but a better engine, better AWD, better transfer case, better differentials, better suspension, better brakes.

That makes absolutely no sense at all to do that to a GT-R.

I believe the front subrames on the T's are different than the 4's so you could possibly swap those out and it would be a lot easier than what you mentioned.

Maybe TMS will chime in on this one since he has a pretty good knowledge of the R32 Skylines.

[themadscientist]

+1 for

rear shocks are different, frame rails and floor pans are different, Have to swap in the entire ATESSA system including the reservoir, etc etc etc. It gets frigging crazy real quick. I've owned both the GTS-T and GTS-4 versions of the R32 and if the 4WD is what you want I can justify your desires, it is a superior car. The RB20 has difficult driving all four though. The 25 IMO is a waste of time when the 26 is readily available.

Buy a GT-R, turn key, drive.

[Koshin]

If I could e-slap you I would...

[craz4240]

Seriously guys to be honest I appreciate the positive replies.

It's a crossroads kindof situation for me. The 26 is yes the god of the nissan motors to all, myself I honestly don't covet the r32 26 motor,yes you can make big power,yes it's super cool to have one,but I can make the power I want wih an rb20 but I like the neo25 for it's capabilities as well as it's sound and cause it's newer.

I've been working with nissans for about 9 years now and am not any professional by any means. But I just literally found out there was an AWD neo25 motor the other day,and I was already contemplating a gts-4.

So we achieved it's a balls load of work and money to change a gts-t to a gts-4...like I said similar to the 240sx awd swap.

Now the neo gts-4 swap to an r32 gts-4 anyone know much about that?? Also this is all for imformation guys,noone is going to make up my mind for me I just like to have some insight as to make the decision that suits me best.
Modified by craz4240 at 6:42 PM 7/19/2009

[craz4240]

If I could e-slap you I would...

Uncalled for but I assume your personal preference and mine don't go hand in hand...it's cool bro these are just cars.

I'd e-slap you back,and my pimp hand is strong.

[Gold Digger]

It's a crossroads kindof situation for me. The 26 is yes the god of the nissan motors to all, myself I honestly don't covet the r32 26 motor,yes you can make big power,yes it's super cool to have one,but I can make the power I want wih an rb20 but I like the neo25 for it's capabilities as well as it's sound and cause it's newer.

I wouldn't call the RB26 the god of the Nissan motors, but it is a great engine. The R32 RB26 doesn't differ to much from the R33 and R34. The R33 engine had a mechanical advance on the intake cam to increase torque, but that was about it. Used the same turbo and everything else.

The RB20 can make power, yes, but you'll spend a little more getting it to the level of the RB26 capabilities.

The NEO engine shouldn't have much more of a different sound than any other RB25. The only major changes between a standard RB25 and a NEO were the heads CAS and turbos. Con rods were supposed to have been a bit beffier as well.

Now the neo gts-4 swap to an r32 gts-4 anyone know much about that?? Also this is all for imformation guys,noone is going to make up my mind for me I just like to have some insight as to make the decision that suits me best.

I can't see it as being to difficult since the RB engines all use the same mounts. As long as you have a GTS4 base, dropping the NEO engine in should be pretty straight forward provided you have everything you need; i.e. wiring, sensors and such. I don't know how well the R32 trans would hold up, so if you could get the NEO or a regular RB25/26 trans and transfer case, you'd be golden.

There is a member here that converted his WGC34 Stagea RSFour to an R33 GT-R trans and transfer case. Pretty decent swap from what he said.

[craz4240]

I wouldn't call the RB26 the god of the Nissan motors, but it is a great engine. The R32 RB26 doesn't differ to much from the R33 and R34. The R33 engine had a mechanical advance on the intake cam to increase torque, but that was about it. Used the same turbo and everything else.

The RB20 can make power, yes, but you'll spend a little more getting it to the level of the RB26 capabilities.

The NEO engine shouldn't have much more of a different sound than any other RB25. The only major changes between a standard RB25 and a NEO were the heads CAS and turbos. Con rods were supposed to have been a bit beffier as well.

I can't see it as being to difficult since the RB engines all use the same mounts. As long as you have a GTS4 base, dropping the NEO engine in should be pretty straight forward provided you have everything you need; i.e. wiring, sensors and such. I don't know how well the R32 trans would hold up, so if you could get the NEO or a regular RB25/26 trans and transfer case, you'd be golden.

There is a member here that converted his WGC34 Stagea RSFour to an R33 GT-R trans and transfer case. Pretty decent swap from what he said.

Thanks for the input. I'm pretty schooled on rb engines just skyline chassis is where I have the learning curve. I understand the differences between engines neo has solid lifters,rb26 rods,"some" have the updated crank collar.

The rb20 can make 400 2whp (so say 360-370 4whp)on fairly modest mods and a good tune. The neo can do it a bit cheaper although the need for an ems and difficulty to find parts bumps it close to the rb20.

The rb26 is the most coveted nissan motor and in it's day it was awesome however,most of the examples out there now have been beat to death,which is mostly why an r34 rb26 would be the most interest to me. VCT doesn't do much for me either.

As for the neo swap questions I'm more concerned about final drive ratios,mounts,rear driveshaft being the same,lower ,I would be using neo motor,trans,front diff,just wondering if the final drive is the same ratio or if I would need an r34 rear diff, which would also no doubt bring up the issue of the speedo sensor in the rear diff now etc. Carl H will be doing all my wiring so I just need a little guidance if anyone knows anything.I can spend days and days looking through forums and I probably will do more personal research but people here seem to know quite a bit so if you have answers post em up!!!

[sip]

Kendal, Buy the car you want in stead of trying to piece together something that: takes you years, causes headache and you won't be able to drive. If you want AWD get a GTS4 or GTR, I will find and import you a GTS4 if you want. It may take a few months before we find one, but I guarantee it will be quicker and cheaper than you building one.
Modified by sip at 8:21 AM 8/6/2009

[craz4240]

For sure Luc...I have actually been doing some research on the import process lately. I have found a few examples of gts-4's in the last week or so out,grade 4 under 100k, no repair history. Also there are a couple v-spec 2 GTRs I wouldn't mind having my hands on. I appeciate the offer and will no doubt take you up on it when the time comes.

Also to everyone who replied to the thread thanks alot. This was more for me to clairify the chassis differences,as well as gauge difficulty in a hair brained idea I had. My resources weren't as vast as they are now and my insight into this has tripled easily. I will be making up my mind on one of a couple things soon and then the search will be on.

Kendal

[sip]

Cool,

A car you can just pick up and immediately drive is an amazing thing. Keep me posted.