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I saw this article and found it interesting. I've driven at least one of each model on the list. No, the 240sx was not on the list, but there was a Datsun that did make it.

1. 1st generation Mercury Cougar: The Mustang got more attention, but it was a cool cruiser. A good friend of mine owned one.

2. BMw E3 (3.0CS). Sold in the US as the "Bavaria". Back when Bimmer focused on simplicity and quality and not technology. They still fly under most folks radar...

3. Ford Ranchero- As in Ford's version of the Chevy El Camino. The article showed an early version. As a pickup truck they weren't very good, but with a 351 Cleveland + 4 barrel carb, it could move pretty well for being so big, but it guzzled gas. My friend with the cougar also had one of these, Late 60's. It eventually succumbed to rust, but it was a better vehicle to be seen in than drive. Drew a surprising amount of admirers.

4. Datsun Roadster: AZHitman has one. More of a reliable Japanese version of an MG. Folks tend to focus on 240Z. I know younger folks would whine they need more power if they drove one, but they were addicting, fun "momentum" real sports cars. Am I right, Greg?

5. Fiat 600. Kinda the slightly bigger brother to the original 500. Tiny and tinny. I'm not sure I would have chosen it for this list. I think the 850 Spider or coupe should replace it, I thought the 850 had more charm and style, and could make it up hills.

6. Veedub Scirocco. I believe they meant the first generation, the one designed by Giugiaro. not the more powerful less stylish later ones. Those first gens were sexy little things. Peppy and agile, but not fast.

7. Studebaker Lark: most folks think of the stylish Avanti when they hear Studebaker. The Lark was a somewhat invisible pedestrian sedan except for the V8 Super Lark version which was a sleeper. I think the "Super" could be on the list or perhaps the Avanti, but not the base Lark.

8.Sunbeam Tiger. Before Shelby dropped a V8 into a little british AC and blew everyone's mind, he did the same thing stuffing a small V8 into a Sunbeam Alpine, a pleasant little 4 banger british sports car. It became a genuine sleeper. They were cool little cars, though could be a handful if you pushed 'em hard.

9. AMC AMX. They pictured the first gen. I was more impressed with the next generation Javelin AMX. They were built badly, unreliable, numb handling,, had dreadful brakes, but brutally fast in a straight line and looked cool, So all was forgiven. :dblthumb:

10. Ferrari 308 GT4. It was one of the two Rodney Dangerfield Ferraris. It really wasn't a bad car. In fact it drove quite well compared to non-Ferrari's . The problem was that it wasn't dramatically styled, and not a V12, so it didn't get much respect by Ferrari purists. It's still probably one of the cheapest used Ferrari's you can buy. Yes, I test drove one. But at the time, I was more of a Ferrari snob. It just didn't give you the symphony of sensations that came from driving an old multi carb front engine V12. The other Rodney Dangerfield Ferrari? The 400i. Looks challenged and the first production Ferrari that offered an automatic transmission. Back then, an automatic Ferrari was considered sacrilege. It's still among the cheapest V12 Ferrari's you can buy. That could be on this list too.

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I thought there are other cars deserving to be on the list, like a Lotus Europa (insanely fun little mid engine car), the Corvair Corsa. (think 2nd gen corvair with a 180hp turbocharged flat6. They ate Porsche's for breakfast), I wanted one badly but could not find a good example. Oh well.


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Its tough to know what they consider "under the radar". I'm going to say a car that the general public isn't really aware of, but is super fun none the less.
For newer cars, I'd say the Mazdaspeed 3 and 6 fits that bill. Honda Preludes of all generations too... you never really hear too much about them (maybe because they are FWD?).
Also, call me crazy, but those old Toyota Paseos we so freaking light, they were actually a little fun... even if they were just meant to be an economy car hatchback.
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Evidently they had a whopping 93 horsepower haha

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Love the Cougar and the way Diana Rigg made it move in On Her Majesty's Secret Service. When I was a kid my grandparent's next door neighbours were a Ford family and the oldest son had a sweet burgundy Cougar, I remember being particularly fascinated with the hidden headlamps.

Glad to know I'm not the only person to like the AMC AMX either. While AMC will always be famous, or infamous, for the Gremlin & Pacer the AMX and Javelin were solid, budget performers that usually get overlooked.

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PapaSmurf2k3 wrote:Its tough to know what they consider "under the radar". I'm going to say a car that the general public isn't really aware of, but is super fun none the less.
For newer cars, I'd say the Mazdaspeed 3 and 6 fits that bill. Honda Preludes of all generations too... you never really hear too much about them (maybe because they are FWD?).
Also, call me crazy, but those old Toyota Paseos we so freaking light, they were actually a little fun... even if they were just meant to be an economy car hatchback.
I think the R&T article was focusing on classic cars, but thinking about future classic hidden gems? Hmmm that's a really good topic by itself. I'm guessing a Chevy Cobalt SS might end up on a future R&T hidden gem list, or perhaps a Lotus Evora. Neither car has been especially popular yet are far better than people will probably remember years from now.

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My dad had a '68 or '69 Cougar (I can never remember; he sold it when I was 3, but I vividly remember sitting on his briefcase on the driver seat and pretending to drive it).
It was gorgeous. His was the dark metallic green I can't remember the name of.
The Cougar was a little more elegant take on the 1st gen Mustang's form. I don't know which I like better; I'm just glad Ford made both.

I'm not a big 308 GT4 fan. Most 4-seat Ferraris still look beautiful, but the GT4 was awkward from just about every angle.

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Bubba1 wrote:I think the R&T article was focusing on classic cars, but thinking about future classic hidden gems? Hmmm that's a really good topic by itself. I'm guessing a Chevy Cobalt SS might end up on a future R&T hidden gem list, or perhaps a Lotus Evora. Neither car has been especially popular yet are far better than people will probably remember years from now.
The cobalts were fast, but beyond that, they were still cobalts. I looked at one prior to picking up my miata and was not impressed with a lot of the designs they had. Pretty flimsy/thin stuff in a lot of places.

Sort of like the Neon SRT-4s. They sold a s*** of those things but you never see them on the roads anymore haha.

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Bubba1 wrote:10. Ferrari 308 GT4. It was one of the two Rodney Dangerfield Ferraris. It really wasn't a bad car. In fact it drove quite well compared to non-Ferrari's .
I once raced a 308 - a GTB(?), as I recall though - in my 2003 M45. Beat it ... story is in the "Speeding Stories" thread.

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PapaSmurf2k3 wrote:
Bubba1 wrote:I think the R&T article was focusing on classic cars, but thinking about future classic hidden gems? Hmmm that's a really good topic by itself. I'm guessing a Chevy Cobalt SS might end up on a future R&T hidden gem list, or perhaps a Lotus Evora. Neither car has been especially popular yet are far better than people will probably remember years from now.
The cobalts were fast, but beyond that, they were still cobalts. I looked at one prior to picking up my miata and was not impressed with a lot of the designs they had. Pretty flimsy/thin stuff in a lot of places.

Sort of like the Neon SRT-4s. They sold a s*** of those things but you never see them on the roads anymore haha.
Clearly you never have driven a Cobalt SS on track. That's where they shine. There are plenty still around. They are far better than you think. I had 2 students with them, and an instructor buddy, who worked at the Corvette Museum, occasionally brings his to VIR. Yes, they are "wrong wheel drive" and are cobalts underneath, but they will surprise you how good they are. And since GM did not sell many of them compared to the SRT4's, that makes them potential "hidden" gems.

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I find these articles interesting. There's always 3 or 4 out of a list of ten that the readers have suggestions for. My wife really likes the Sunbeam Tigers. We see a lot of those at the track.

That Cobalt you guys mention, it's a sleeper! Looks like a grocery getter and maybe it should be, so I was surprised to see them on the track. I was more surprised to see them running in the front! These were against what some (including myself) may call "real cars". They were very impressive with good drivers behind their wheels.

That Paseo reminded me of another oddball tiny car. The MX3 GT. It had 6 cylinders in the space of 4. Neat little whip. It even had some odd tech, that being a variable length intake manifold. Neat!

And, since it was brought up, the Lotus Evora, is also a sweet ride. It's relatively new and Lotus already has low numbers on the road, so I'm not sure it's slipping past radars just yet. It's go a nice chiseled/ curvy look that is pretty sexy. I was looking at one in the parking lot with another guy, again at the race track, and we were admiring it. I said to him, it's got back seats! We peered in and they were kind of folded down. He didn't believe me. I know they're in there and if you have a baby that doesn't use a child seat, or a paraplegic little person, they will fit and get a seat belt! I've driven the Elise and those are pretty impressive. They're like go-karts with suspension and turn signals. A real driver's car, it just needed a seat cushion!

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I was also going to mention the MX3 GT. I knew a kid in high school who had one. Thought it was really neat back then.

Honestly, any 90s Mazda appeals to me. I'd love an MX6 or a Probe GT as a fun Clinton-era toy.

It warmed my heart to see the 929 at JCCS (in pictures, I didn't make it to the show).

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Jesda wrote:Honestly, any 90s Mazda appeals to me. I'd love an MX6 or a Probe GT as a fun Clinton-era toy.
I have owned two even older Mazda's in the past:

1. a 1980 Mazda RX-7.
2. a 1986 Mazda 626 GT.

Good fun cars, both of them! :yesnod

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centralcoaster33 wrote:That Cobalt you guys mention, it's a sleeper! Looks like a grocery getter and maybe it should be, so I was surprised to see them on the track. I was more surprised to see them running in the front! These were against what some (including myself) may call "real cars". They were very impressive with good drivers behind their wheels.
This^ Those little Cobalt SS's are a well kept secret by track folk. The SRT-4 is also a competent car, but there's a reason you rarely see them at the track but regularly see Cobalt SS's. The SRT-4's built so cheaply, they break quickly under prolonged hard use. The Cobalts are indeed cheap cars but they hold up much better in hard use. The SRT-4's are much like those Mitsubishi Eclipses that you rarely see in paddocks anymore. If you bring an Eclipse or Neon SRT-4 to the track, you better have a trailer to get it home because you're gonna need it. :yesnod

v 2 former students at VIR . Both excellent drivers.

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Jesda wrote:Honestly, any 90s Mazda appeals to me. I'd love an MX6 or a Probe GT as a fun Clinton-era toy.
I have owned two even older Mazda's in the past:

1. a 1980 Mazda RX-7.
2. a 1986 Mazda 626 GT.

Good fun cars, both of them! :yesnod

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I have a magazine review of the 626 GT stuffed away in a folder in a box somewhere. Seriously underrated car.

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Jesda wrote:... I'd love...a Probe GT...
I was always a fan of these cars. A good friend in high school had one and it was a ball to drive.

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2nd gen Probes are exactly as revolting-looking as every other mid-90s Ford.
First gens were bland but just futuristic enough that they look kinda neat through the lens of hindsight.
However, 2nd gen MX6s were horrid looking, too. The platform was just proportioned wrong.
I LOVE 1st gen MX6s. Great looking little car.


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