question for maxpsi

[cosmic22]

I noticed you use the SDS standalone fuel management. I was considering using the JWT ecu upgrade programed for 50lb/hr injectors and a z32 maf. I am running a mitsubishi td06-20 on my ka right now. it's off a syclone. I want to upgrade and have the timing controlled and fuel controlled because i don't want to blow my motor..haha..what are your suggestions if i do or don't go with the sds stand alone. thanks!anybody can answer btw..haha

[WDRacing]

It really depends on what you want. I'd go with the standalone because I'm into harnessing every little last bit of power available. I also change my engine setup quite frequently. Things like cams and boost. The SDS will allow you to adjust your settings every time you make a change. Rather then having to get the JWT reflashed.

If your not going to run more then 15 or so psi I should think the JWT will be fine. But if you plan on makinf several changes and going for big numbers then I would suggest the standalone.

WD

[cosmic22]

cool..thanks wd

[maxpsi]

Stand alone is best. I find that SDS is best for me. However, Halltech is probably the best out there, but there price is highest probably. I couldnt really go too much into detail about how it would help your setup since i dont know your setup that much. I dont see how a Z32 MAFs will help you that much, if any, but i have never tried to use that mafs. With SDS, your system is not as reliant on even your stock mafs. With SDs, you get a complete kit including the added injectors. Its not a difficult kit to use. Being able to adjust your SDS system is what impressed and still impresses me most. I feel more comfortable and safe using higher boost.

IMO, JWT is junk. Its ok, if you are going for basic or a max of 250-300hp.

[cosmic22]

how do you think my ka with a JWT ecu with 50lb/hr inj. and z32 maf will handle a 50 shot of NOS with 10-11 psi of boost?

[WDRacing]

for 10-11 psi the JWT will be just fine. For the record, SDS doesn't use a MAF sensor. It uses a MAP sensor. It comes with an injector harness, not injectors. I'm sure you can get injectors through them, but the kit does not include them.

JWT is not junk...I'm extremely tired of hearing people say it is junk. Especially when there knowledge level seems to be questionable. The worst thing about the JWT ECU is that it may need to be reprogrammed if you make any further modifications to your car. But that is usually only to get the maximum results.

For cars with a goal of 300hp the JWT is a very good choice. No it's not the very best, but it is FAR from junk.

WD

[maxpsi]

my SDS kit came with the injectors. I got it some time ago.

The only person i see here with any questionable knowledge here is you WD. no offense. I dont see anywhere on here where you have done alot of this research. I only see where you have quoted things from magazines and other people. I dont question your intelligence of the KA, so i wouldnt go around saying that others have questionable knowledge until you look at yourself first. No one here has excellent knowledge of the KA. That is the sole purpose of this part of this forum i beleive, to enlighten. Together, everyone here can share probelms and likes on what they have done in order to all acheive great knowledge. No one person is better than the other.

And, JWT is junk IMO. I am sorry you dont think so. Maybe you are only defending them because you yourself are using their products. For what you get, its not worth paying so much.But like i said before this is my opinion. I dont make that claim for everyone. so dont get offensive.

[cosmic22]

this is very nice to know all of this..but how does this answer my question? =P do they need to program in that i am going to have a 50 shot?

[C-Kwik]

And, JWT is junk IMO. I am sorry you dont think so. Maybe you are only defending them because you yourself are using their products. For what you get, its not worth paying so much.But like i said before this is my opinion. I dont make that claim for everyone. so dont get offensive.

So what knowledge do you have about the JWT set-up? Seems you don't realize that there are a few 15 psi KA-T's using a JWT set-up. Two of them have dyno'd at 350 HP. Keep in mind, the JWT required no tuning on the part of the end user. Essentially plug and play. Perhaps you should heed your own advice before you start calling parts junk that you seem to have no knowledge about.

[C-Kwik]

And, JWT is junk IMO. I am sorry you dont think so. Maybe you are only defending them because you yourself are using their products. For what you get, its not worth paying so much.But like i said before this is my opinion. I dont make that claim for everyone. so dont get offensive.

So what knowledge do you have about the JWT set-up? Seems you don't realize that there are a few 15 psi KA-T's using a JWT set-up. Two of them have dyno'd at 350 HP. Keep in mind, the JWT required no tuning on the part of the end user. Essentially plug and play. Perhaps you should heed your own advice before you start calling parts junk that you seem to have no knowledge about.

Cosmic22, to answer your question JWT should be able to program the ECU for NOS. They can even set-up a staged NOS set-up that is based on Throttle position and to run on seperate maps for when you are not on the bottle. Give them a call if you want details about what they can do for you.

[maxpsi]

Not enough experience or knowledge about JWT other than that they are all basic programs using a stock ecu. for the money that one pays, its not worth it. you dont get enough for what you are paying. Its just my opinion on what i think of it, not everyone. I only used JWT for a short time and wasnt impressed. Not to mention, there is really no back-up support from there techs on what you can and cant run. They only tell you so much. Next thing you know, you have blown a motor because they didnt tell you something they should had.

[syka24et]

In setting up your sds, how do you make the crank sensor bracket. That is the only thing I am not sure about. It is my understanding that u can run the haltech from the distributor wires. WD is that true??

[WDRacing]

Don't quote me but I believe Haltech can be used with or without a distributor.

[WDRacing]

my SDS kit came with the injectors. I got it some time ago.

The only person i see here with any questionable knowledge here is you WD. no offense. I dont see anywhere on here where you have done alot of this research. I only see where you have quoted things from magazines and other people. I dont question your intelligence of the KA, so i wouldnt go around saying that others have questionable knowledge until you look at yourself first. No one here has excellent knowledge of the KA. That is the sole purpose of this part of this forum i beleive, to enlighten. Together, everyone here can share probelms and likes on what they have done in order to all acheive great knowledge. No one person is better than the other.

And, JWT is junk IMO. I am sorry you dont think so. Maybe you are only defending them because you yourself are using their products. For what you get, its not worth paying so much.But like i said before this is my opinion. I dont make that claim for everyone. so dont get offensive.

I had made another post originally, But I decided to change it. Since I'm tryin not to cause arguments on the board. I suffice it to say that I know quite a bit about forced induction motors.

I didn't mean to get your feathers all ruffled up.

For the record, I don't use anything from JWT. But I know people who have. I've also done research on his ECU's. I never once argued that it was better then the standalone design. I simply said it would be fine for a car not wanting to run boost in excess of 15 psi.

One more thing, quoting things from Corky or Kenne Bell is never a bad thing. They know more about forced induction then I probably ever will. Quoting things doesn't mean I'm dimwitted and can't form my own opinions.

How is your Honda running by the way???

[syka24et]

Don't quote me but I believe Haltech can be used with or without a distributor.

I have seen sr's with haltech so I'm pretty sure it can be used on both but I am not sure if the haltech needs a crank angle sensor fabed like the sds.

[C-Kwik]

Not enough experience or knowledge about JWT other than that they are all basic programs using a stock ecu. for the money that one pays, its not worth it. you dont get enough for what you are paying. Its just my opinion on what i think of it, not everyone. I only used JWT for a short time and wasnt impressed. Not to mention, there is really no back-up support from there techs on what you can and cant run. They only tell you so much. Next thing you know, you have blown a motor because they didnt tell you something they should had.

The JWT ECU uses more of a universal turbo map. It is run on the safe side. They can, however, flash a custom map if you wish. But to do this, it is best to have it on a dyno so they can tune it correctly. A Stand alone of course has these benefits, but not everyone wants to bother with tuning a standalone or deal with headaches trying to get a stand alone to run with absolutely no problems. It can get expensive when you have none of the expensive tuning equipment and have to pay someone else to do it all.

As far as JWT, I have not purchased one thing from them, but they have been very helpful everytime I called them. Not sure you can really blow anything up with a plug & play system. Chances are, if you do, it wasn't the ECU's fault...

[S13Ka24e]

I know Jay (PSI240SX) used/uses the JWT set up and he made a 11 sec pass at 30psi. I don't think he ever blew up an engine either. If the JWT set up can handle 400hp+ I can hardly see why anyone can call it crap. I think we all agree that stand alone is better, but JWT is easy and effective and I very well may use it in the future.

[Jeff240sx]

Yea. Jay made a 11.92 second pass on a JWT setup. Also, BoostedS14 from Zilvia.net made an 11.89 second pass on a JWT ecu.And, in my opinion, even more impressive than those runs are the handful of not only 350hp KAs, but stock blocked KAs. T.Y. and Dennis from Unstable-Hybrids both run JWT ECUs on fully stock KA blocks, TY running 360-some rwhp at 18psi, and Dennis running just over 350rwhp (and has for 6 months straight) simply by telling JWT what mods they had, and what they wanted to run. Boost isn't what kills motors, it's detonation, and JWT runs extremely rich. Sure, you can't get max power out of it, but for plugging in an ECU and cranking the boost up to 15-18psi, it's awesome in my eyes.-Jeff

[maxpsi]

Look, i am not trying to argue here. All i am saying is that i am not intrested in JWT for me. It is in my opinion that its junk to me not everyone else. I didnt have a good experience with it. Not everyone will have good experience with every part and option out there. And everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

PS. Dennis has blown motors as well. dennis' block is not entirely stock. Thats all i will say about that.