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[felonicity]

Hello out there!.....In Here.....

Hi, I just registered and opted to give my instinctual behavior the benefit of the doubt w/ regard to being able to comply with posting guidelines w/o reading them. I hope I am not remiss!

I need help!!!! and I hate to have the people around here help me, "Don't learn on my stuff" has been a familiar phrase of mine since some person I trusted oh about 8yrs ago took the head off of my 78 280Z and then proceeded to behave in such a way as to leave me no choice but ask him to leave and never return, my poor Z has been in the garage since then. If only I knew the last time I drove it would be the last time I drove it, but I digress.

The trouble I am having is with my 1993 240SX, it's a convertible, but I don't think that's relevant in this instance.

I'm a single mom and was blessed enough that someone who knew the saga of my prescious Z actually gave me this 240SX when he finally bought his dream car 3000GT, too much blah blah blah, huh? sorry......Alright, the reason I have registered and am now posting is that "I wonder does this site or some one on it perhaps have technical shcematics for my car that I could download and print?

The car came with an aftermarket alarm, shortly after getting it the chaos mongers around here had cut the wire to the siren and since that incident the whole , for lack of a better word, gob of wires, both original and those added for the alarm have been pulled out from below the dash and messed with in decidedly failed efforts to get the car to start.

I don't know why, first inclination is to suspect a low battery or defective remote alarm controller, in any event, my ingition seems to be disabled and nothing that has been tried to date to get it enabled again has worked, to boot, the alarm remote has been lost or misplaced by these helpers from hell.

I'd like to have a diagram of what things are supposed to look like so I can just go to my car whree it is stranded and start at the battery and work back or vica versa....or whatever seems most prudent.

I am very afraid that so many things that had nothing to do with the problem have been tampered with, that the little voice in my head is practically hysterical, and writing to your forum here is one of the only seeminlgy prudent things I can think to do.I wish I knew how to remove the alarm, but what if I did and was lucky enough to get all the original connections re-attached, and then the ignition was still disabled?!

I don't know anything about my car, but I am am intelligent and I learn quickly. It is to my discredit that I've given cursory respect to people around here who have no respect for anything it seems, I know it would make me all the more reliant on them if I had no transportation, but I dopn't want that to happen, it won't happen!!

I'll move on to desperation mode if this doesn't avail me some direction w/o maliscious intent. Sorry the post is so long, I hope it isn't one of the guidelines that it be concise or I get flamed or shined.......I wish there was live chat here so I could pick someone's brain, of course with their permission......aaaack, sorry for being so neey at the moment, usually I'm a real easy going person.

Any and all constructive input will be greatly appreciated........Felonicity

[AZhitman]

Welcome to NICO - I'm gonna move this to the 240 Gen Chat section, as that's where our 240SX experts lurk - And we have some good ones!

I'll bet they take great care of you and get all your questions answered!

Again, welcome to NICO, and feel free to ask away!!!

[AZhitman]

Gentlemen, can we help get this young lady's 240 running again?

[Nathan]

Your questions will be answered I'm sure...although not by me I dont have a shop manual or else I'd GLADLY post up the wiring diagrams. Hitman didn't put a link to the other thread...so go here: http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....30834 The only advice I can give you is to be prepared to be frustrated...it sounds like you have a real birds nest of wires there and that's NEVER a fun thing to deal with...it'll probably take you a while to check all the connections out, good luck!

[felonicity]

What a great surprise in the waning sun this afternoon! AZHitman, Nathan...thanks a million for being so nice, you took me by surprise such positiveness is something sorely missed and remarkably heartening when encountered. I will go to the other forumn and bookmark it as the place I ought to post. Thanks again for being the nicest thing that has happened in a few whiles!Kelly and The Cats, aka Felonicity & Co.:pface

[Rockenreno]

The best thing would be to go to the dealer and get a factory service manual, but those are kind of pricey.

They can also be found on ebay. For the S13 240sx its usually $60+, but well worth the investment if you ask me.

[Aries]

*lurks in*CLiff's notes please

*Lurks out*

[[Zero-S]]

gawd aries...Alright she has an aftermarket alarm system that was messing up so the wire to the siren was cut. And now she has a gimongous birds nests of wires just sitting there...she needs help. Is that short enough for ya?;)

[felonicity]

CLIFF NOTES FOR: RAMBLING INQUIRY 1A, BY FELONICITY

A. new user wants to know if someone will post or email her the engine compartment schematic for a 93 240SX. a1. for gen'l identification of components. i.e where is the starter, the ignition coil... .the factory things that ought to be there

B user would also benefit from any info regarding specific characteristics of that cars ignition system.. 1. sans aftermarket alarm what might cause ignit. to be disabled? a. long overlooked check engine light? b. no good /failed battery? c. interface w/ door locks shorted?

2. W/ regard to aftermarket alarm system , 2a. assuming car battery went bad , might that cause random, askew signal from alarm cntrl. box, disabling ignition?

2b. installation of aftermarket alarm entails addition of what kind? how many? items/ splices? (what would I see under the steering column before alarm went in?

C. In the event that user returns vehicle to pre-tinkered configuration. Is any member able to dictate proper procedure for bypassing alarm system based on specific knowledge regarding and experience in servicing aftermarket alarm system (audiovox alarm specs provided upon request)

aw hell, I tried to be succinct......lurk as you will, 1 aries rarely falls from favor of another.....and those more evolved specimens garner nothing save well deserved_______!

ps-found a site about OBD....misc. manuals available as well.Any good/bad opinions on publishers? i.e. Mitchell's , Haynes, Delmar?

ttfn

[fiznat]

[quote=" felonicity

A. new user wants to know if someone will post or email her the engine compartment schematic for a 93 240SX.

[/quote]

I reccomend going out to buy your own manual (I recc. Chilton's or a factory one straight from Nissan) at a large bookstore. They're less than $20 and well worth it if you are able to use it.

Quote » a1. for gen'l identification of components. i.e where is the starter, the ignition coil... .the factory things that ought to be there[/quote]

Again, the manual will help for this, but the starter is located directly to the left of your oil filter housing, secured to the engine block. The ignition coil is on the other side near your distributor.

Quote »1. sans aftermarket alarm what might cause ignit. to be disabled

a. long overlooked check engine light?[/quote]

Unlikely. You can have the code pulled from the ECU to find out what is causing the light, but this is most likely not the problem.

Quote »b. no good /failed battery?[/quote]

Possibly. Take the battery to a local Autozone or Advance Auto or wherever, they will conduct a free test to check the condition of your battery. Quote »c. interface w/ door locks shorted?[/quote]

Not normally, unless your alarm has some special setup that disables the ignition at this point. I suggest reading the manual that came with the alarm (if you dont have it, you can get it with the model name/number from the company that made it).

Quote »2. W/ regard to aftermarket alarm system , 2a. assuming car battery went bad , might that cause random, askew signal from alarm cntrl. box, disabling ignition?[/quote]

I am not an alarm expert, but this doesnt seem probable to me. Again, check your car battery like I said above.

Quote »2b. installation of aftermarket alarm entails addition of what kind? how many? items/ splices? (what would I see under the steering column before alarm went in?[/quote]

I would need the specific model of the alarm system to even attempt to answer this. Alarms come with a WIDE variety of mechanisms to do what they do. You need to check the original manual or call the alarm company to find this out.

Quote »C. In the event that user returns vehicle to pre-tinkered configuration. Is any member able to dictate proper procedure for bypassing alarm system based on specific knowledge regarding and experience in servicing aftermarket alarm system (audiovox alarm specs provided upon request)[/quote]

I know at least my alarm (Viper) has a special button that you can press (it is hidden in the interior of the car by the installer) to disable the alarm. Again, I do not know how your system is put together so I cant really answer this effectivly. A call to the audiovox would go a LONG way to help you out.

Other Stuff:

Try to tone down the language a little bit for us. I am sure that many people who have the potential to help you out a great deal were turned off by the manner in which you wrote your request. Aries, the member you so easially dismissed, is one of our most mechanically adept: it would serve you well to treat him with slightly more respect, despite the fact that he (and many others) didnt have the time to decipher your request.

Good luck with your car.

[Rockenreno]

ps-found a site about OBD....misc. manuals available as well.Any good/bad opinions on publishers? i.e. Mitchell's , Haynes, Delmar?

Nissan.

Seriously, get the real deal, its totally worth it because it has everything.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...00468

That is an example of what you need. Accept no substitute.

[AZhitman]

Fiz/Reno - Good responses - Well done.

Aries wasn't being disrespectful. He just gets flustered around people smarter than him.

As do I...

[felonicity]

Dear Posters One and All~

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my inquiry!

or

Please accept my apologies for wasting your time with it.

I found some helpful info in a post by NRAF titled "wiring color codes, for 240sx. 1989-1997.

tehhehe about the smarter people remark, I've learned from the past that my lack of education shines as brightly as my unrealisticly optimistic expectations when I am selfish enough to subject others to my entirety. I shouldn't happen to a dog, sorry.

I always want to learn all that I can and from the most knowledgable, talented sources possible.

The people I referred to as chaotic helpers from hell are representative of men whom I've offended, deeply, by way of my want for more specialized assistance with various aspects of my life.

They woudl like to see me give up and cry "helpppppp!! I can't do this!!!!",... but I won't.

I thought it was a good thought to try and find some answers among a group familiar with the same vehicle with which I am concerned.

In day to day , person to person life I don't try and be everything to any man, rather I have a select few talented tradesmen with whom I've gotten a mutually beneficial arrangement with.

It may seem random and less than above reproach, but is far preferrable to having one poor soul trying to be the answer to all my needs or rather trying to deal with the fact that he doesn't need to be.

The ability to appreciate ability is an ability and an ability in myself for which I have a well founded respect.......

I respect the quality iin others minds and find the pursuit of it among the most rewarding of endeavors.

Some people are more interesting than others

Please believe what is the truth @ per the source re. Aries. I in no way intended any slight or disrespect whatsoever toward him.

On the contrary, I suppose it is just that I know there are times when the talent and desire to accomplish any particular task that may need doing is by far best addressed by an Aries, as I am too....

..many times I've been told I had a great deal of moxie and ought to be running the place where I was working. So as I'd said, it's been my experience that an Aries can spot an Aries and although their mo's may be incompatible, rarely is there an abscence of appreciation for shared traits.

If I offended Aries, which I doubt, or at least would like to doubt, I am dreadfully sorry.

I'd like to think that his lovely, succinct cameo in the thread was an overture by one who could be the best cyber-company as well as technical advisor and the notion that it were up to me to present myself in a way more attractive to him was something which today I was not up to is richly humorous to me. The opportunity though, very much appreciated

Of course the loss would be mine and a well deserved one at that. Simply realizing that as fact has cheered me up. And I will be quiet as I search for my own helpful information, sans the genius tour guide that would have been my best case scenario..

There is nothing I enjoy more than being silent and attentive in the company of one far more knowlegable and talented than I.

Probably the reason I go on and on like this is to deter the majority of less that exceptionally informed or inclined to want to share knowledge, people from bothering to deal with me, go figure...

..anyhow you guys are great and when I get the manual and my car is fixed and I'm thinking about surfing for jewlery or nasty stories, instead I'll scan in the schematics and stuff for my car.

It would be nice for the site to have a cache of that stuff

I understand that in all likelyhood there is a cache of it, just trying to be helpful :P 10,000 comedians out of work......

I know I've seen schematics online in thepast and will endeavor to find and print what I can so when I take the bus to my car I will have a folder full of potentially helpful inofrmation.

As to the service manual, yes, I believe I will be purchasing one of those online tonight.

I guess the reason I don't have one as yet is because the car has never given me a problem until now and I always try to find someone whom I can charm into educating me as they are more than happy to assist with whatever the problem is.

It serves me right that I've been as charming as a pumpkin here today but I do appreciate the input received and will check back a time or few to see if anything more specific is alluded to or addressed by the fine helpful people here....

thank you fiznat ,

ttfn, warmest wishes~Felonicity & Co. aka Kelly & The Cats:eek: :ylsuper

[apoorboy]

I hope this will help you a little.

The first step is to make sure that your battery is working correctly.The second step is to make sure all of your fuses are intact.For example checking the fuses under the hood of the car as well as in the drivers side kick panel.

Since you have an alarm in the car and you have identified it as an audiovox I would go to the Audiovox website and download the wiring diagram.What I would do is make an attempt to remove the alarm so that you will know what wires you need to repair in order to get your car to run.Also here is a link of an Audiovox alarm wiring diagram and instruction manual.http://www.mssplus.ru/schemes/...0.htm

Depending on the knowledge of the install there are two ways that the ignition wire can be wired. The first way is cut the wire and use in input and output on an alarm to create a continuous loop. This is for a more expensive alarm. The second way is that the alarm grounds out the starter wire inhibiting the car from being started. Either way this is pretty simple to undo.

Once you start to get your wiring sorted out there are a few ways that you can re attach your wires. Re attaching the wires is pretty simple. You just match the corresponding wires until you run out of wires to choose from. The three ways are to attach the wires:Soldering using heat shrink tubing to seal the connection.Crimp capsButt connecters.The safest way to do this is solder in a butt connecter but using a crimp style butt connecter will work just as well if done properly.

http://www.silvia.hl.com.au/techinfo.aspThis link might also help you out it is for a c18det and a sr20det but the wiring colors and what they connect to should be the same.DON’T FORGET TO DOWNLOAD WINRAR or you wont be able to read the information.I hope this will help you on getting your 240 back on the road.Take care,Joel

[felonicity]

Dood! ! ! !, most excellent.!! Thank You So Much!

While you were posting I was finding out that my car is a 92 rather than 93. and that ebay doesn't have a manual for it just now. So while I was wrong and outta luck for the moment....

Here you've made what has been my task for the day and likely days to come, all in that same few moments, so notably less imposing and I thank you very kindly for your time and helpfulness!

Take good care yourself Joel! Goodnight ~

Kelly & The Cats

[fiznat]

I'd like to think that his lovely, succinct cameo in the thread was an overture by one who could be the best cyber-company as well as technical advisor and the notion that it were up to me to present myself in a way more attractive to him was something which today I was not up to is richly humorous to me. The opportunity though, very much appreciated

Heh, not sure what tone it is that I should take from this, but the oppertunity is indeed free and welcome to all, so take what you need.

In addition to apoorboy's post (nice one, by the way!), if there are lots of wires in there that must be reconnected, take special care to make sure there are NO bare wires showing at all. If you have to, use electrical tape to cover any bare copper: a short in the the circut or two wires connecting that arent supposed to can cause you far worse problems than those you started out with.

Also it shouldnt matter that your car is a 92 rather than a 93, the engines (and wiring diagrams) are almost exactly the same. Anyhow, if you're going to take out the alarm and reconnect you should be fine just by matching up wire colors and designs. Be careful to check for duplicates, though!

Dont take my criticism of your writing too seriously, I enjoy reading it. Where are you from and where did you learn to write like that? Please excuse me, It's just not a style that you see too often on the internet... Anyways best of luck with your car and welcome to NICO!

[MasterMan]

here, download this.. http://www.noand.com/~masterman/90FSM.zip

its the factory servace manual to a 1990 S13 240sx, it might beable to help u out.. its in PDF so u will have to download somthing to open it (once u unzip it)

hope this helps

-MasterMan

[felonicity]

Hey There! AZhitman, fiznet, apoorboy, Rockenreno, Aries, Zero-S and MasterMan,

Thank you all for you time and feedback regarding my inquiry today. It has been a pleasure and truly unexpected spiff in the job of day to day life to have encountered NICO !!!

The information from here and there has been unimaginably enlightening and were it not for the fact that I know I'd be worthless come 10am Wed. morning, I'd take the info from audiovox, thnx apoorboy as well as the advice and clarifications offered as well and head out to my car tonight.

This morning what I hadn't a clue about, I have seen diagrams and read precise descriptions of and so am feeling very confident as well as extremely grateful to you all for availing me of this information.

I will post my progress and look forward to existing, quietly in the company of those more knowledgable and educated than I.For goodness sakes, I never did get around to opening any cliff notes....they didn't take role at college so I was outta there~

Pretty dumb for a gifted kid, which, fiznat is likely where I got the weird writing style from. We used to play a game with the teachers seeing how long we could deter them from the days lesson plan by asking intriguing questions we knew they'd be compelled to try and answer........anyway, I'm beat, don't know why MasterMans download isn't going, wanted to let it print after I went to bed, will try again and be graced with all of yours presence tommorow.

I do not say that faceitiously nor insincerely either. I have always desired to learn quietly and quickly from those whom I respected enough to want to have teach me and am pleased to have had my flippant side called to court so promptly this afternoon.

My only intention was to acknowledge Aries's brief appearance and make an attempt at being a suitable prospect for what I am sure ,as I too am an Aries, would have been cyber-guidance of the most enjoyable and informative kind.

Goodnight Nico, Thank You

[AZhitman]

LOL - Intriguing young lady we've met here, eh guys?

Keep up the good work gentlemen... Although I suspect our new friend might be too exhausted from typing to implement your repair suggestions.

Enjoying your posts, Kelly.

p.s. I copied your question into Nissan Online Mechanic forum, you have rec'd a few responses there too. Check it out.

[onyxsamurai]

Felonicity,

First, welcome.

Second, good luck with your problem.

Third, nice to see another convertible on the forum (even if it is a chick).

Fourth, you really should stay succint. You are on a forum looking for help, not on the phone chatting up your boyfriend.

Fifth, I certainly can't speak for the rest of the guys, but why do girls think we want to hear from their cats?

Hope you don't take this as a flame...just friendly advice.

[SloS13]

Fourth, you really should stay succint.

True, this is a technical forum. Such long post could easily deter a busy guru. Being friendly, joking around is fine, just try to keep it under 20 pages. Also, a more 'to-the-point' title of this thread would have been helpful

If im not mistaken, 92/93 manuals will be about the same, right guys?

Dont go cheap on your service manual. Factory service manual might cost 4-6x more, but there's a reason for it.

Welcome to the forums :help

[felonicity]

hey will post succintly later, tnx a million Master, printer out of ink ttfn guys, great to b here going to online mechanic, back to car, yes.......overslept, nbd

[Nathan]

Dont try to print one of those things off felonicity...I have one for an australian 240sx that is literally about 800 pages long. Just print out the section you need

[EZcheese15]

Not to be one to change the subject, but I bring this up because we have a new girl member here who seems to be very intelligent and cool....

Felonicity...we have a thread about a calander that we are creating (well, AZhitman is putting together) for NICO. It will be 12 NICO girl members in this calander. The calander is not being made for guys to gawk at, but rather to support our female (minority) members on our site, and possibly encourage more to join. We are looking for simply some pictures of you with your Nissan. Doesn't matter what you look like, or what your car looks like. Just as long as you are a girl, NICO member, and have a Nissan. Please read this thread at http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....17731 for more info on it. I believe we are lacking a couple people to complete the calander. I think AZ made a cutoff date to submit pictures, but if it's already passed I'm sure he could squeeze you in if you submit pictures ASAP.

Anyway, I hope you like the site and I hope you continue to hang out with us here in the forums in the future!

[AZhitman]

Bravo, Torry.

Much love for my Admin brotha!

[JESTER]

felonicity, Talk about saying more than a mouth full. Greetings. Welcome on board. I hope you get everything worked out with your vert.

[yellow_jacket]

The easiest way to diagnose this is going to be to figure out why your starter isn't getting juice. More than likely the alarm is wired to disable the starter. Just drop the panel under the steering wheel, follow the wiring from the ignition switch until you see a point where the alarm is wired into it. You should see that one of the ignition wires has been cut and the alarm has been connected. This will be your starter interrupt. Get your test light and see ifyou have power going into the alarm but not coming out. If so, jump the original wiring back together and the car should turn over and fire right up.

[felonicity]

Hey! A big "Right On! and Thank You" to everybody who's posts told me what I was wanting to know.

I learned enough about the alarm system in the car that I 'll have no trouble , I hope, hooking it all back up once the car is back home. ONLY REMAINING MYSTERY IS WHERE IS THAT VALET SWITCH?????

It wasn't the alarm at all. The solenoid thing for the starter is bad so I'm gonna go to pick-n-pull this am and see about getting one.

Was quoted , yesterday, solenoid only = $65.00, that seems high wanted $169.00 for the whole new starter...both 3-7day S/O..starter works fine so we'll see.

I ended up with a new battery, a new transmitter for the alarm on order, as well as the factory service manual's coming anyday now, plus the owners and installation manuals from audiovox and a good crash course in alarm systems and how to offend people who've been nothing but nice.

Thank You!Sorry!

ps-I'll get a calender and think whimsically, " I couldn't have been in there" wicked wicked wicked wicked gravity........

wear and tear on the delete key? post whoring? no capeche nada!! That really was going to be the last too long post.

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[SloS13]

pik-n-pull in the a.m.? thats my kinda woman!

P.S. have you checked the for-sale forums for that soleniod? People often part-out KA motors.

Here,freshalloy.com240sxforums.com all have for-sale forums.

Good luck.

P.S. not all people install the valet switch, so you might just not have one

[drift-sx]

Masterman where did you get that and do you by chance have one for a 91 240sx le dohc