Q45 - Premium gas $4.85 gallon. What about using regular grade?

[Skibane]

I went to my local Phillips station, the only one here so far that doesn't use ethanol...

All Phillips 66 stations use ethanol. Phillips is one of several dozen brands that complies with Top Tier standards. These standards require an ethanol concentration of no less than 8 percent, nor no more than 10 percent.

[RAP]

Goooood morning everybody ! ! !

To add a little cheer to this thread, OIL is trading at $ 141.36 per barrel (42 gallons) as I write. That would be West Texas intermediate crude oil, but Brent crude is cheaper? ? ? Sooo, well just buy Brent.

What should have been done was to have invested in the Oil Sector as in EXXON stock or "Haliburton" , or Shell, Chevron etc. Kinda late now to ride the wave up... but next time ? ? ?

Move outta CA. if it is that painful to live there. The value of the house in San Diego, when sold, should provide an ample supply of cash to buy elsewhere, way cheaper, if you own the house free and clear in SD that is???

For now, just hang on, because the upward trend in gas prices is not over with just yet? ? ?

Or get a government job with furnished auto? ? ? Doesn't seem to be any worry about gas prices there ? ? ? Lotsa big BLACK SUV running around with the current POLS runnin' for the top job? ? ? Of course they are tellin' us that they will ease our pain at the pump ? ? ?

Kinda interesting thinking about how all this will play out ? ? ?

Jack

[Q45tech]

Americans are big cry babies why not follow this fellow?

"The unemployed 30-year-old man drove a black 1995 BMW 3-series sedan onto the lawn outside Frankfurt's convention center grounds at about 7:30 a.m., police spokesman Karlheinz Wagner said.

He then jumped out, emptied a canister of gas over the vehicle and set fire to it, Wagner said.

By the time the fire department got to the scene, the car was entirely burned out.

The Bavarian man, whose name was being withheld because he has not been charged with a crime, told police that gas prices were so high he could no longer afford to drive the vehicle.As in many countries, gasoline prices have risen steadily in Germany; a liter of regular gasoline now costs about euro 1.55, or $9.40 per gallon."

[NightRiderQ45]

All Phillips 66 stations use ethanol. Phillips is one of several dozen brands that complies with Top Tier standards. These standards require an ethanol concentration of no less than 8 percent, nor no more than 10 percent.

Not the Phillips 66 stations here! They clearly advertise "No Ethanol" gas sold here. Plus they don't have the E10 sticker on the pumps which is an requirement here in Oklahoma. If they did have ethanol in their gas, but have a sign clearly stating "No Ethanol" sold here, a lawsuit could come from that if there was ethanol related car issues with false advertisement.

I can take a pic of the sign(s) if you would like.

[Q45tech]

If you examine the delivered ethanol cost to terminals for blending you will see the transporations [trucks, trains, barges] is highest in the South with Louisana, MS, Al, GA, FLA, and SC highest [in declining order] distance from corn and plant.

The RBOB gasoline price difference from delivered Ethanol makes it tough costwise to blend in the Ethanol.

Why the "may contain Ethanol" and not really contain more than a drop to comply. Texas has further requested an opp out of Ethanol because of transport costs in reverse to local refineries.

Won't be fixed until PURE ETHANOL PIPELINES are built in 10 years or each state has enough ethanol plants.

Today ethanol delivered to Alabama is $3.42 per gallon vs $2.77 in North Dakota............Georgia is $3.29.... 13 cents cheaper

Today Oklahoma ethanol is $2.9902 per gallon [10,000 gallon load] and I believe there are no ethanol plants functioning in OK.

[bigdog76]

You are San Diego Right??

Drive over to Mexico TJand fill up for $2.50 a gallon that is what everyone else is doing

But beware of the Mexico gas it might to be filtered to good.

Good luck its on its way to $7 dollars soon.

[bigdog76]

Oh and it is $5.20 a gallon for 91 octane in Downtown Los Angeles area when I drop past a few stations today while working in the field.

[RAP]

Seems like the political portion of this gas thread has been lopped off. Too bad.

Actually GAZ prices are central to our existence right now, or, so it seems? Not everyone is going to be affected adversely since some are wealthier than others but the "not wealthy" Q 45 owners are going to be frustrated to say the least.

No much can be done about the price of gas and there are many scapegoats being presented as to why this is happening. One post, in my mail box, deleted from this thread, is bashing Bush for gas prices. That's fine but unfortunately it's not that simple. On poster is supporting Obama? ? ? good luck there too.

I deal in scrap metals, and, I am, currently, enjoying very high, and, I mean VERY VERY HIGH prices and I ain't complaining. Thanks be to the CHINESE for the spike in metal prices. Of course it cost more to transport said scrap to the buying point. High gaz prices you know. Of course we are dealing in "worth less" if not exactly "worthless" dollars.

The OIL SELLERS are not exactly happy about the de-valued dollars they are receiving for their product so... wellll lets "SOCK IT TO THEM" unhappy poor Q 45 driver/owners.

Incidentally a Q 45 weighing some 4000 pounds would fetch around $ 400.00 at the scrap yard near me. The car will then be shredded into hand size pieces in about 3 seconds. Be sure to remove the converters prior because they are worth more separate. Nissan converters are the most valued.

In any event it's nice to vent.

Jack

[sijoko]

This post is not bashing any person but is intended to shed light on why we are paying so much for fuel. Most people have no idea as to what is really happening in this country and the world. If we talk about politics on the forum, then we will be censored, yet the price of oil is where it is due to a mixture of politics, economics and just plain greed.

Most of the oil sold throughout the world is bought and sold in dollars. When the dollar drops, the price of oil goes up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated

The dollar continues to lose it's value and it will eventually become worthless. I don't want it to happen, yet I know it will happen because it is a fiat or non-assett backed currency. I know that many people are shocked when they realize that there is nothing to back up our money....no gold, no silver, nada.

After the collapse of the dollar, a new regional currency will be introduced and the USA will be merged into the North American Union, not because I say so but because the people in power have already made the decision. As long as the people of America don't know what is really going on, the elites will get their way. What can you do? Begin the process by educating yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzMURWASuJ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynorEiew300

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n3g5lUgkWk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated

[Rex]

There's a Politics sub forum on NICO if you'd like to discuss politics.

[jimbyjimb]

Living in the PacNW I think I'll just divert the flow of the Snohomish/Snoqualmie rivers to my Q and install a turbine under the hood. Then I can use it to power my house and charge my nieghbors a cut-rate to power theirs too. Then my Q will make me money, and I can still drive it to work. I think the trunk would be good as a mill of some sort. Now about diverting that river...

[bullittandy]

Seems like the political portion of this gas thread has been lopped off. Too bad.

Actually GAZ prices are central to our existence right now, or, so it seems? Not everyone is going to be affected adversely since some are wealthier than others but the "not wealthy" Q 45 owners are going to be frustrated to say the least.

No much can be done about the price of gas and there are many scapegoats being presented as to why this is happening. One post, in my mail box, deleted from this thread, is bashing Bush for gas prices. That's fine but unfortunately it's not that simple. On poster is supporting Obama? ? ? good luck there too.

I deal in scrap metals, and, I am, currently, enjoying very high, and, I mean VERY VERY HIGH prices and I ain't complaining. Thanks be to the CHINESE for the spike in metal prices. Of course it cost more to transport said scrap to the buying point. High gaz prices you know. Of course we are dealing in "worth less" if not exactly "worthless" dollars.

The OIL SELLERS are not exactly happy about the de-valued dollars they are receiving for their product so... wellll lets "SOCK IT TO THEM" unhappy poor Q 45 driver/owners.

Incidentally a Q 45 weighing some 4000 pounds would fetch around $ 400.00 at the scrap yard near me. The car will then be shredded into hand size pieces in about 3 seconds. Be sure to remove the converters prior because they are worth more separate. Nissan converters are the most valued.

In any event it's nice to vent.

Jack

Why are Nissan converters more valuable? Also what should they fetch a piece?

[Q45tech]

Haven't you ever asked yourself why a 90-93 Q can still pass emissions at 350,000 miles and other brands have a hard time lasting 150k...............4 times the minimum of platnium , palladium , and a few pinches of rhodium.

Ever wonder why the 94-96 is less robust and melts precats.

The 2002-06 V6 are failing very early just after 80k warranty] all about using the thinnest least expensive dusting now.

http://www.as-sl.com/eng/pdf/c...o.pdf

"It is reckoned that scrapping one million such "cats" would yield 40,000 ounces of platinum (which works out at 40,000 x 31.10 g/Troy ounce = 1.244 tonnes or 1.244 g per cat, as an average). It is thought that the worldwide "scrap-platinum" market might eventually provide 1 million Troy ounces per year, or 31.1 tonnes; meanwhile, those unwilling to wait have resorted to stealing cats, which we can reckon to be worth $82 each. ..................since the devices are quite easily stolen from parked cars (if you know where and how) this is now an increasing phenomenon."

The early Q main cats had ~~4 grams of platnium each if you could recover 100% that would be $245 less physical chemistry and time cost.

Modern cats [post 2001] might have $60 worth and have a gram at mostToday platmium is worth 5 times what it was on 1994 -1999'

Much like CA, NV, AZ houses until the crash.

[RAP]

Why are Nissan converters more valuable? Also what should they fetch a piece?

Well the engineer did provide a "non-political" answer to your inquiry but since he is incapable of simple straightforward answers he led you though a question and answer session. But eventually the answer was provided.

If per chance you do have converters to sell just shop around for the best price. There are many thieves in the scrap metal business and they are adroit at scamming the unknowing. It's an art form really. Not me of course and I am slowly getting out of the business so I don't buy anything anymore. I'm sellin' only. Wellll if a really good deal does crop up I might revise my stance...

Well now Rex would like to have his little Q45 forum nice, tidy, focused and of course non-political. Wellll some of us can differentiate between the subjects and we can tie them into interesting and maybe funny discussions while contemplating a mal-functioning door lock or why do my tires lose air?

Enjoy. Jack

[maxnix]

Well the engineer did provide a "non-political" answer to your inquiry but since he is incapable of simple straightforward answers he led you though a question and answer session. But eventually the answer was provided.

"You can lead lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think." - Dorothy Parker

[bullittandy]

Haven't you ever asked yourself why a 90-93 Q can still pass emissions at 350,000 miles and other brands have a hard time lasting 150k...............4 times the minimum of platnium , palladium , and a few pinches of rhodium.

Ever wonder why the 94-96 is less robust and melts precats.

The 2002-06 V6 are failing very early just after 80k warranty] all about using the thinnest least expensive dusting now.

http://www.as-sl.com/eng/pdf/c...o.pdf

"It is reckoned that scrapping one million such "cats" would yield 40,000 ounces of platinum (which works out at 40,000 x 31.10 g/Troy ounce = 1.244 tonnes or 1.244 g per cat, as an average). It is thought that the worldwide "scrap-platinum" market might eventually provide 1 million Troy ounces per year, or 31.1 tonnes; meanwhile, those unwilling to wait have resorted to stealing cats, which we can reckon to be worth $82 each. ..................since the devices are quite easily stolen from parked cars (if you know where and how) this is now an increasing phenomenon."

The early Q main cats had ~~4 grams of platnium each if you could recover 100% that would be $245 less physical chemistry and time cost.

Modern cats [post 2001] might have $60 worth and have a gram at mostToday platmium is worth 5 times what it was on 1994 -1999'

Much like CA, NV, AZ houses until the crash.

Well I did pretty good then, i sold the cats off my parts car for about $50 a piece.

[RAP]

Quote from above: "You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think". D. Parker

I believe that would be " you can lead a horse to water but you can't lead a whoretoculture"

or something like that, in spite of D.Parker.

[q45vh]

well if ur not gonna treat ur Luxury Car like it should be, whats the use of driving one?? jus buy a civic/corolla if you want to pay regular gas. If you want to save some money, just drive the Q less. lol dam gas prices!!

[RAP]

well if ur not gonna treat ur Luxury Car like it should be, whats the use of driving one?? jus buy a civic/corolla if you want to pay regular gas. If you want to save some money, just drive the Q less. lol dam gas prices!!

Damn good idea ! ! ! Butttt the gas saver cars are no longer affordable either.

What's a person to do? ? ? A Scooter? ? ? a la Vespa. Those are nice. My neighbor bought a battery powered bike that will go 18 miles on a charge. Very nice and appears to be well made, IN CHINA, of all places.

"Posted By: Karl on Friday, July 04, 2008 From [email protected] I was a kid back in the 1970's, my family didn't go anywhere on holidays because we couldn't afford the gas."

I remember those days.

RAP

[BadQ45t]

Remember a Vespa has no fender benders, not different or safer than a motorcycle. I had a 400cc honda and got ran off the road by an idiot pick-up truck. I'm okay to pay more for gas and less in hospital bills. My buddy picked up a Vespa and had about 500 miles on it when he got the little tire caught in a rail, went sidways and stomped his leg down to stablize and ended up with a blown ACL. The scooter works but you gotta be ready at some point to eat pavement.

[unknown007]

In my area i kinda saw it went from $4.75 to $4.73 maybe gas is going down lol i hope.

[seattlesanman]

Good work, Rex.

[Q45tech]

Be sure to study geology and your states maps. Those that own [or have the mineral rights for] 10 acres of land might be lucky.

I still like the idea of compressing home natural gas feed as US still has plenty..............and at $2.40 BTU equivalent gallon [including road tax]before compressing and filling cost.

Nat gas will be somewhat price limited because people will die without heat until they pass laws to forbid it's use in vehicles.

http://gasmilage.wordpress.com...house/

Crank and warm up on gasoline and switch to NAT when warm, especially on highway.

[maxnix]

I think honda is on to something with its fuel cell technoolgy.

Just need some H2 refilling stantions so one can go across country.

http://automobiles.honda.com/f....aspx

[unknown007]

WOAH!!!In my area last time i got gas it was $4.74 Premium and now it's $4.69999.......I asked the guy that works there if it's going down he said no it'll be $6.00 in 2months.Im like i think your just saying that because of everybody else.Agree???

[Rex]

Well now Rex would like to have his little Q45 forum nice, tidy, focused and of course non-political. Wellll some of us can differentiate between the subjects and we can tie them into interesting and maybe funny discussions while contemplating a mal-functioning door lock or why do my tires lose air?

Enjoy. Jack

There's a classifieds section, for selling things, there's a 240SX section for discussing 240's, etc.

The point was to maintain the hierarchy and granularity of the forum. Heck you may even exchange ideas/discussions with someone you'd have never interacted with just in the Q45 sub-forum.

Thanks