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While I was having my timing chain recall work done, I had a chance to drive a '15 Q70L for a week. Of course it had the V6 instead of the V8, but aside from that, I was wondering how those of you who got to drive a new Q70 felt about this car compared to the M. Other than the V8, the Q really isn't much different from the M. Of course the obvious being the new front and rear bumpers with their respective lighting, which is definitely an upgrade: (forgot to get a front comparison shot)
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Less subtle changes are an SOS button by the sunroof control:
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My forest air button was replaced with a vent button:
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Not sure what this extra button is for (middle, top row)
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Also noticed that the ride was a little more plush, but I seemed to feel more of the road, since the Q had the 20" wheels compared to my 18" ones. The start button in the Q is faster; it seems to start and stop immediately after pressing it, compared to my M which seems to start and stop after pressing and releasing the button. While driving, the car will definitely brake harder on its own if you get too close to a vehicle in front of you. The M is more subdued in this regard.

Also, if I am parked, and my engine is running and I have my phone connected via Bluetooth, I can press the button twice quickly and the engine will cut off but the phone (or radio) will stay connected. If I do this in the Q, the phone (or radio) will disconnect, and it has to reconnect.

The Q fog lights are definitely better that the M ones. I like the overall looks of the new front and rear fascia.

Anyway, just a few things I noticed while I had the Q. I would have to have the V8 though.


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Nice post always wondered this. Middle button is parking sensors i think

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Pretty much same car.trans and engine and suspension.all the same.

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Middle button is alarms for when pulling out into traffic and can't see...

I LOVE the front and rear of the Q...wish it was a cheap/easy swap. I'll be rocking a Q next week myself when I drop my car off for the timing chain.

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I had that exact same car as my loaner a week or so ago. Assuming that's Modern in Winston.

The L is great for the extra back seat room, just wished sport package was an option on those.

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I think the SOS button is the only item not available in the earlier models, other than the exterior styling changes of course.

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My dealer buys it's loaner vehicles and then sells them after 2 years or about 15,000 miles. I always set an appointment for my visits so Brian, my service guy has a loaner parked and waiting when I get there. I have driven the Q70, Q70L, and Q50. Since I have on e of the last years for the M's, I have a different take on the new 70 series. The Q 70 and L lacks simple things I take for granted in my M.

* The visors. They are smaller and there is no secondary visor underneath. If you're driving on a motorway and the sun is setting from your left, shining directly at the side of your face, you swivel the visor over the driver window, but there is no extension to make it cover the whole window and there is no auxiliary visor over the windscreen to fold down. There is NO reason that should have been dropped.
* The console is completely wood which is a nice touch, but it's a bit too much wood and the cup holder portion should have been done in matching double-stitched leather.
* The arm rest is a single piece. Mine has driver and passenger armrests that slide forward individually to allow for my long gorilla arms. NO good reason that wasn't kept in the Q 70
* The head rests adjust vertically and that's it. Mine articulate forward and back so mine hits the sweet spot behind my head and I can drive with my head against it without looking up towards the ceiling. Again, NO good reason to change that.
* The rear seat. Just a rear seat, nothing special, although they are heated if you get that package. My back seats recline individually, are heated, and have a better head rests.
* Rear console. Not even available in the Q70, mine has controls for the seat heaters and full control of the audio, temperature and fan speed, plus a fold down screen to watch movies with optional head phones included. This isn't even an option on the Q70 !?!?! Infiniti made the L version to be more Limo-like and all you get are two cup holders?
* Side view mirrors, I love the option to fold them in, but these seem like van mirrors instead of the sportier design of mine. I fold mine in manually n a car park so if a person with lots of belly girth walks between me and the next car, my mirrors won't get bent forward. (that has happened!)

Now the great stuff! The front and rear refresh is absolutely brilliant! The new tail lights look like exaggerated quotation marks and they are truly stunning. The view over the hood is also much more sporty than my relatively flat design. Accentuating the side fenders with the raised sweeping curves is fantastic. The rest of the body is still too wavy and stately, but at least the L version stretches it out a bit which is a good thing.
Now for the driving. The gear box is identical to mine so no difference there. However, the 5.6 engine .... well .... driving that on the motorway and mashing the pedal .... my nips get hard just re-living that in my head! Even driving mine in sport mode, the 5.6 bashes my 3.5 HR into the ground with no effort whatsoever, as expected. The ride seems a notch harder than mine, but the Q70 doesn't come with high-end tires so I reckon the ride is improved with Michelins, Pirellis, or my Hankook Ventus.
The dash is in a higher class than my M as well. Nicely covered instead of my semi-soft plastic/vinyl whatever. The layout is also more luxuriously fashioned than is mine.
Now the price. The sticker for the Q70L 56 is $74,000. I reckon my M35, dressed with every option that was available, including the rear theater, probably maxed out near $55,000. Instead of spending $75,000 for a car with less options, less creature comforts, and a rear seat with just cup holders, I'd opt for the Jag XJ L ... which at 2 years old is very close on price, but much more of what I expect in a car of this price. And those familiar with me will understand my smile when I add that Jag has a panoramic roof! I would not buy the new Q70L 5.6, but I absolutely loved driving it.

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The Q70L that is pictured in this thread was stickered at $61k.

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"The start button in the Q is faster; it seems to start and stop immediately after pressing it, compared to my M which seems to start and stop after pressing and releasing the button."

I could not figure out what causes this. If someone knows, please let me know. My wife has a 2011 and I have a 2012. When I press the button start on my wife's car, there is about a 2 second delay. Mine starts instantly. It drives me crazy when I start her car. It doesn't start immediately so I end up pressing it a second time before it starts.

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InfinitiAce wrote:"The start button in the Q is faster; it seems to start and stop immediately after pressing it, compared to my M which seems to start and stop after pressing and releasing the button."

I could not figure out what causes this. If someone knows, please let me know. My wife has a 2011 and I have a 2012. When I press the button start on my wife's car, there is about a 2 second delay. Mine starts instantly. It drives me crazy when I start her car. It doesn't start immediately so I end up pressing it a second time before it starts.
Probably just a software change from one model to the next. Mine seems to have a delay only when I am in a hurry. :biggrin:

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Larz wrote:* The visors. They are smaller and there is no secondary visor underneath. If you're driving on a motorway and the sun is setting from your left, shining directly at the side of your face, you swivel the visor over the driver window, but there is no extension to make it cover the whole window and there is no auxiliary visor over the windscreen to fold down. There is NO reason that should have been dropped.
* The arm rest is a single piece. Mine has driver and passenger armrests that slide forward individually to allow for my long gorilla arms. NO good reason that wasn't kept in the Q 70
* The head rests adjust vertically and that's it. Mine articulate forward and back so mine hits the sweet spot behind my head and I can drive with my head against it without looking up towards the ceiling. Again, NO good reason to change that.
All of this. Honestly, how much money did they save by doing this? $500 from each car?

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Debonair wrote:I think the SOS button is the only item not available in the earlier models, other than the exterior styling changes of course.
Mine has it, maybe it started on the 2013 models?

Also Larz, I've seen a 5.6 AWD Sport (non-L) for 74K. I think the Q70L 5.6 RWD starts at 65K, still hefty but cheaper than the Jag. And if you don't get the 20s it comes with Michelin tires (at least mine did and the 2015 Q70 I drove) so I think the ride is better. I've only seen Bridgestones on the 20s.

I do like the re-fresh. Just wondering if it will be a full re-design for 2017 or not. Enough of the Q50 having a better infotainment system and superb ride quality. And this sorry backup camera needs to go away...

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biggie wrote:I had that exact same car as my loaner a week or so ago. Assuming that's Modern in Winston....
Yep, right on Peter's Creek Parkway.

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armybrat wrote:
biggie wrote:I had that exact same car as my loaner a week or so ago. Assuming that's Modern in Winston....
Yep, right on Peter's Creek Parkway.
Yeah, that's where I get my work done. Hadn't seen your car there. Only seen 2-3 other M56 cars in town, all were RWD non-S models, haven't seen an X.

I'm taking my M out to Winston Cars and Coffee this Saturday, hope to see yours out there sometime.

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Debonair wrote:I think the SOS button is the only item not available in the earlier models, other than the exterior styling changes of course.
Mine has it, maybe it started on the 2013 models?
Mine has got it too.

Agree with you Larz, I like the old design of the center arm rest and the lack of double sun visors seems like a cost savings oversight - definitely like the rear tail lights although the center grill seems a little too large for me.

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biggie wrote:The Q70L that is pictured in this thread was stickered at $61k.
The one you have pictured must be missing a few packages or is not a 5.6 maybe. The 5.6 starts at $64,000 without any added options.

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Here's the frontal difference between the 2016 Q70L and 2011 M56.
The new Q70L has a verey sexy front grill, and the photo is kinda fuzzy, but the thin curvy line of LED "eyebrow" lights above the headlights were turned on. Oooeee!

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Larz wrote:
biggie wrote:The Q70L that is pictured in this thread was stickered at $61k.
The one you have pictured must be missing a few packages or is not a 5.6 maybe. The 5.6 starts at $64,000 without any added options.
The Q70L loaner I drove was the V6 RWD:
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biggie wrote: ...I'm taking my M out to Winston Cars and Coffee this Saturday, hope to see yours out there sometime.
Cool - I've heard about it but never been. I have to work this weekend but maybe next time. Thanks for the heads up!

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Here's the Monroney sticker for the 2016 version. Just for grins.

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Wanna see sticker shock? Have a squinz at this !

Q70-L 5.6 RWD
$64,550 base price
691 sport muffler package
505 rear deck spoiler
468 illuminated kick plates
50 trunk net
90 carpeted trunk mat
1,150 performance 20" wheels / tires
950 destination / handling
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$68,406

7,200 deluxe technology package (the ONLY way to add smart cruise control, distance control, lane departure warning
back-up collision warning, Bose surround system, rear sunshade, blind spot warning, forward collisoin warning
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$75,606

Extra charges for kick plates, trunk mat and trunk net??? That's just seriously wrong! And the only way to get tech is the all-in-one package for $7,200.
You can't get the 5.1 stereo (or anything else) individually. It's the only additional package available and the choice is: all or nothing.

A 2016 Jag XJL Portfolio0 (100% equipped with rear theater, etc.) is $116,000. But .... a 2014 with 11,000 miles is $75,870 with warranty. I rest my case, LOL

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The ignition delay according to the owners manual (bathroom read) is due to the fuel injectors priming before turning off so that they are not empty when you hit the stop button. They say it's especially noticeable on a spirited drive.

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Larz wrote:
biggie wrote:The Q70L that is pictured in this thread was stickered at $61k.
The one you have pictured must be missing a few packages or is not a 5.6 maybe. The 5.6 starts at $64,000 without any added options.
Yeah, the loaner is a 3.7L. Has every package I know of for the L.

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Larz wrote:Wanna see sticker shock? Have a squinz at this !

Q70-L 5.6 RWD
$64,550 base price
691 sport muffler package
505 rear deck spoiler
468 illuminated kick plates
50 trunk net
90 carpeted trunk mat
1,150 performance 20" wheels / tires
950 destination / handling
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$68,406

7,200 deluxe technology package (the ONLY way to add smart cruise control, distance control, lane departure warning
back-up collision warning, Bose surround system, rear sunshade, blind spot warning, forward collisoin warning
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$75,606

Extra charges for kick plates, trunk mat and trunk net??? That's just seriously wrong! And the only way to get tech is the all-in-one package for $7,200.
You can't get the 5.1 stereo (or anything else) individually. It's the only additional package available and the choice is: all or nothing.

A 2016 Jag XJL Portfolio0 (100% equipped with rear theater, etc.) is $116,000. But .... a 2014 with 11,000 miles is $75,870 with warranty. I rest my case, LOL
Oh, now I'm wondering if there is a sport muffler option that will fit the M56...

The above is also why I buy my Infiniti's used. My current one as well as my previous G35 Coupe were good prices with low miles.

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biggie wrote:Oh, now I'm wondering if there is a sport muffler option that will fit the M56...
I have not see it offered in the states. It has been available in Japan for a while.

Nismo part# B00100-1ME25
240,000 yen ($2300)

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Debonair wrote:
biggie wrote:Oh, now I'm wondering if there is a sport muffler option that will fit the M56...
I have not see it offered in the states. It has been available in Japan for a while.

Nismo part# B00100-1ME25
240,000 yen ($2300)
It's here

http://parts.infinitiusa.com/infinitipa ... logid=2371

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M37xfan wrote:
Debonair wrote:I have not seen it offered in the states. It has been available in Japan for a while.

Nismo part# B00100-1ME25
240,000 yen ($2300)
It's here

http://parts.infinitiusa.com/infinitipa ... logid=2371
Nice! Not crazy pricing either at $700.

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If I were in charge of Infiniti, I would just make this part of the sport package

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Does anyone know if it fits M56? And does it make a difference if its 3.7 vs 5.6?


Edit, just saw on the page that this does fit the M56. All M 2011-2013 as well as the Q70. I will have to investigate.

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I really don't care for the 'angry' headlight look


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