Pulstar Plugs?!

[Jus14]

Watch a couple different videos and even seen on horsepower tv testing of these spark plugs and gained about 8 hp on a 350z and wondered anyone tested them in there V yet because they are about 25$ a piece just wondered if they were worth it? You can see them on http://www.pulstarplugs.com they seem to be proving there self so it may be worth a shot even for a couple hp

[mightyversa]

Just ordered them!!

Ok guys. I can be the first tester for these plugs if you would like. I will get a base 0-60 time to see if there are any gains in speed and I will keep track of my fuel economy for city driving and see if there is an increase in that as well. IF you want to spend over $100 and see for yourself, go ahead, but if you are a bit optimistic, then wait until I receive them and I will give you the word!!

Transaction Details: $116.90 US Shipped to my door ($142.58 CAD)

4 DG-1 Pulstar Pulse Spark Plugs
Modified by mightyversa at 4:45 PM 1/9/2009

[scar]

mighty, you have to pull the intake to change the plugs, so you might want to wait untill you new intake gets here to change them.

[mightyversa]

Looks like I will have some fun under the hood then, I live for this sheot!

[mmaxeyjr]

I've had them for a while, however I havn't go around to installing them yet because i'm currently working on my 5spd swap on my 240sx.

I did however install these in my friends 2003 Mazda ProtegeSpeed they made the car a little more powerful however at $25 i don't really think they are worth it unless you have the best of the best stuff on your car and are looking for more power.

Definately expensive and the best but I dont think they're 100% worth it.

[longo]

I Have been waiting for the "Firestorm" plugs to make it to market. They were the first plug to tout the 'plasma' effect rather than the usuall little spark like a _BBQ lighter.

This from 3 years ago...

"Earlier tonight from a friend who takes engines apart and rebuilds them, I learned about this environment-friendly spark plug out of Michigan that inventor Robert Krupa has patented as well as all of its knock-offs. No spark plug company wants to make them because they will make all other plugs obsolete, nobody can create a knock-off for their own profit and they would have to buy new manufacturing equipment (they say). I’ve been reading about FireStorm spark plugs online and want to share what I’ve learned. The following was copied from Nexus magazine.

FireStorm's Capabilities First, let's look at what Krupa's FireStorm spark plugs give an internal combustion engine: • More horsepower; • 44 to 50 1/2% increase in mpg; • Dramatic decrease in emissions. Second, let's see what FireStorm plugs eliminate: • Smog pump; • Catalytic converter; • Radio frequency interference (RFI) and the use of resistors in the centre electrode; • Gap growth; • Exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) systems; • Misfire/hesitation/detonation/stutter and stumble.

Anyway I contacted Robert Krupa a few months ago and was suprised to learn that he has done more testing on his plug design and has changed the entire material list to build them. He said that he was moving to Brazil to open a factory to build them, with Govt help.

(Not U.S. govt, they have a long history of hateing new inventions that might increase mpg's)

So in the mean time, the Pulstar Plug has made it to market. But if you do a search of all the internet sites that have a 'feedback, or comments' section you will find it's best to "Keep your Receipts" Several posters have dud plugs that had to be returned to the factory for replacement. It's good they have that warranty, but when you find out how much mess it is to change plugs in the Versa, it would be a PIA to say the least if you found you had a bad plug after everything was put back together.

Anything in the Versa shop manual that starts out with, "first, drain the radiator", leads me to believe the Saturday Aft' plug swap on your driveway is going to be a long one.

The NIssan factory plug swap comes at the 100,000 mile service, I'm not looking fwd to that bill.

[Jus14]

Sounds Good just let me know how they do and by the way taking off the mani is actually simple even though it looks like a job took me fifteen minutes when i was looking at what i had to work with on a turbo manifold

[mightyversa]

Well, finally received my plugs!!







Installation wont be done until I can get some freakin time off from my job (I work 16 hours a day) So please understand if this might take a couple of weeks.

If there are any requests (IE does it get better fuel mileage, more power) please ask ALL the questions now, because when they are in, they are staying there and I wont be able to ask questions regarding plugs comparison.

[mmaxeyjr]

mine should be here monday at the latest. i'll post with how they feel etc. etc. 1990 240sx hatch ka24e

[mmaxeyjr]

mine should be here monday at the latest. i'll post with how they feel etc. etc. 1990 240sx hatch ka24e

[longo]

YOu will probably be the First Versa owner to try these plugs and I think we are all holding our breath hoping they turn out all right for you.

But, if you are the kind of person who likes to read the end of a book first, here's a link with 33 Pulstar Plug user reviews...

http://www.amazon.com/review/p...oStar

[mightyversa]

Read some reviews and there seems to be a mixed amount of reviews. Although putting these pulse plugs in and not getting the results, they probably have there tires underinflated or perhaps have a lead foot. I mean I cant expect more MPG if I am always racing around. Hopefully I will get a chance soon to put them in.

[Jus14]

Sweet glad to hear you got them dude......Just let us know your imput

[MinisterofDOOM]

FireStorm's Capabilities First, let's look at what Krupa's FireStorm spark plugs give an internal combustion engine: • More horsepower; • 44 to 50 1/2% increase in mpg; • Dramatic decrease in emissions. Second, let's see what FireStorm plugs eliminate: • Smog pump; • Catalytic converter; • Radio frequency interference (RFI) and the use of resistors in the centre electrode; • Gap growth; • Exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) systems; • Misfire/hesitation/detonation/stutter and stumble.

This is a CROCK OF CRAP. A SPARK PLUG ALONE cannot POSSIBLY, according to the laws of reality, achieve most of those things.For the catalytic converter to be eliminated, you would need PERFECT CLEAN combustion. That is not possible, I don't care how awesome your spark/pulse/"plasma" (wonderful nebulous rarely-understood word for marketing people to throw about that has nothing to do with anything happening inside your internal combustion engine) plugs are. And try passing emissions without cats. Be prepared to be laughed at when you tell the test technician you don't need cats because you have pulstar plugs.EGR is there to recirculate STILL USABLE exhaust gasses. How on earth is the spark plug going to affect those? Once again, unless you have PERFECT CLEAN combustion, the EGR's need has not been eliminated.

Anyone who has an understanding of physics will see why BOTH of these gimmicky plugs are exactly that. Gimmicks. They word things so they sound scientifically complex but plausible to the average consumer. A basic understanding of the operation of an internal combustion engine will tell you that you don't NEED "plasma" (ugh) but in reality merely need that "little spark like a BBQ lighter." Much more important are the plug gap and electrode width. Also, it's not a little spark like a BBQ lighter. Show me a BBQ lighter that operates with 40,000+ volts. Certainly spark-plug ignition is not perfect, but the plug is only one small part of that process and can't possibly affect the whole to the degree these plug manufacturers claim.

Moreover, Nissan engines are historically very picky about their spark plugs. I'd bet money that you'll see WORSE performance with these generic one-size-fits all plugs than with the OEM-specified NGKs.

Please don't take this as an attack against any members here, not Longo or anyone else. It's exactly the opposite, in fact. I'm so sick of seeing companies like Pulstar and Tornado and the rest of that kind of gimmicky pseudoscientific garbage take advantage of consumers. I can't stand by and watch people get conned. Consult your favorite physics professor who isn't on Plustar or Firestorm's payroll if you want to hear an opinion to support mine.

[mmaxeyjr]

i put them in about 100 miles ago now. throttle response seems much smoother. it starts up a little quicker. however my timing is off a little so i'm not sure if i'm getting the full effect. I think $25 per plug is pretty pricey.

1990 nissan 240sx w/ ka24e

[mightyversa]

Alright, just an update before I put the Pulstar Plugs in.

0 - 60mph - Best Run: 8.88 Seconds (FR: 9.8, SR: 10.4, TR: 9.4, FR: 8.88)(Run done in 2nd gear automatic transmission on level road with studded winter tires)

Gas Mileage: I am recently getting 29 MPUSG (36 MPCG)......IN TOWN......No Highway driving here AND.....I have the CAI still installed with studded winter tires AND a few races in there as well, and when I say few, I mean about 10.

I will be putting the plugs in soon, hopefully within the next couple days. Keep checking back for results. I will be resetting my CPU so that when I get the plugs in, it will be back to factory settings.


Modified by mightyversa at 2:37 AM 2/3/2009

[mightyversa]

!!!!DO NOT BUY THE PULSTAR PLUGS YET!!!!

I went to install them this morning and the DG-1 model Pulstar said would fit, DOES NOT FIT. I dont know whether to trust this company or not and am requesting a full refund, even the shipping. We already have Denso Iridiums in our V's but the DG-1 Plugs are to big and wont fit in the spark plugs threads. I contacted both parties (Online Distributor and Pulstar Themselves) and I will give everyone an update on why!

[SuperTurbo]

Hey Marc

you use Visa or Master card to buy them? or....

Hope you don't need to go to that step, if they are fighting back & forth, and didn't get any reply back from them within 1 week, contact your credit card company right away to back up the case!

Worst to worst, credit card company should give you full refund or at least 75%

[Make sure you told them is some "stuff" not automotive product, many credit card denied that claim right away]

[mightyversa]

Hey Super, I used Mastercard through Paypal!! So I should be covered under a couple of clauses. I think the online distributor will be handling my claim right now, he wrote me back making sure I bought the right ones and am waiting a reply. Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate it!

[viet510racer]

hey mightyversa can u do a little write up of instructions of how to replace the spark plugs with pics please.

[mightyversa]

UPDATE!!!!!

PULSTAR REALIZED THEY DONT HAVE ANY PLUGS IN THEIR INVENTORY TO FIT THE VERSA!!! THEY ARE TAKING THE PLUGS OUT OF THE NISSAN VERSA OPTION, BUT THEY SAID GIVE THEM A BIT AND THEY SHOULD BE PRODUCED SOON.

[longo]

Wow $142.00 for 4 plugs that the company hadn't even checked to see if they would fit the Versa! %^&*ing unbelevable!

For as long as they have been on sale they are telling you that no one else has noticed? That means that they really have no clue as to what they are doing.

If the plugs where to be installed at the going shop rate, you would probably be out another $100.00 You should send them a bill for that amount of your wasted time and effort.

On a couple of review sites I have seen people mentioning that when the plugs where installed, they had missfires from Pulstars that where duds.

In a simple pop the wires and spin em out situation that's not a big deal, but considering the Versa plugs are burried under the intake manifold and a cardboard box of engine parts has to be removed just to get at them, I would say it iIS a big deal.

I think anyone who is going to try these things should test each one first to see if it's going to work, then hope it keeps working after all the mainifold parts reasembled and engine coolant refilled.

Too bad you had to be the first Versa owner to find out that the Pulstar Company seems to be run by a bunch of idiots. I hope they promised to send you a free set when they get if figured out.

I think your experience elevates this product right into the Snake Oil catagory along with magnets on your gas line, super slippery engine treatments, tin shark teeth in the air intake, Burn Tap Water For Gas, $20.00 Engine Chips and Magic Pills in the gas tank.

(feel free to add any other that I might have missed)

If you have to have better mpgs than the Versa buy a Toyota Corolla they use a 1.8 ltr engine too, but for some reason known only to Toyota it seems, gets better mpg's.


Modified by longo at 10:29 AM 2/5/2009

[Knightro2]

(feel free to add any other that I might have missed)

Don't forget about "The Tornado"!http://www.tornadoair.com/

[SuperTurbo]

Tornado is kind of a joke....It works.... for those 1900-50's cars....

New cars with bad design on the valve train will work...

Other cars, speically stock cars, avoid this! This will screw up your car.

the reason why this unit is workin for older cars is because older car's intake & valve train don't have that Tornado build-in. so their theory works, but new cars have that already, so it create excessive turbulence, and doing the opposite...

[longo]

Ah yes, that POC

Actually "Turbulence" in your air intake is exaxctly what you don't want. Ask any speed shop that carefully grinds out the intake mainfold on race engines to as smooth as they can get it. They would laugh you out of the shop in a second if you even mentioned you wanted more "turbulence" in your intake manifold.

Then theres another Snake oil candidate called the Ecotek. Here's a brief description of how that worked out for this buyer.....

"It made a loud sucking noise but that's about it. Actually, it made my car fail emissions by a huge margin. Oxides of nitrogen (NOx) quadrupled from about 94 to 400, CO increased, and HC's increased as well."

I am watching with interest all the entries in the X-Prize 10 million dollar race for the car that get 100 mpg. Lots of shade tree mechanics building entries. The first roll out of some of the vehicles will be this fall, with the cross country race next year. So far the only 'Big Automaker' to enter is Tata Motors of India.

The organisers are doing everything they can to get the Big 3 to put something in, even going so far as to recntly create a new catagory where they don't have to actually compete in the 100 mpg race..they would be happy to see then just show up.

I think we all know what's going on there, imagine their embarassment if 3 guys from Iowa in an old Dodge Neon running a John Deere 3 cyl diesel hooked to a corn still in the trunk smoked across the finsh line to beat their newest Hybrid by 50 mpg.

http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams

[morgan]

Are you a scientist or mechanic? Have you built a working prototype and tested it with a leaner mixture and adjusted timing to simulate the testing that was originally done with that design? Have you seen the patent drawings? Are you familiar with oxides of nitrogen and how they relate to the theory behind the EGR? If you apply your Firestorm mentality to M.S.D. ignitions, they are also a crock (Iwill listen race teams on this one). Please before nay saying, apply the scientific method. I apologize and fully accept your thoughts without question if all my questions were answered YES. I'm skeptical as well about products like this, and will be until I can confirm or deny for myself.

Also 40,000 volts at the very low amperage an ignition system uses is not hard to achieve. a very simply transformer (coil) converts 12V into thousands of volts. Can you tell me what the operating voltage is for a BBQ lighter? Also what is the air fuel ratio of what it is lighting? You will find the A/F ratio of an automobile trying to hang around 14.7:1. But can occur even at 21:1.

Finally "Plasma" "(wonderful nebulous rarely-understood word for marketing people to throw about that has nothing to do with anything happening inside your internal combustion engine)", as you put it, is actually a state of MATTER, (you know solid, liquid, gas, plasma), your physics professor friend must have left this out. I think you would most easily observe this phenomenon in lightning here on earth, and even though you might not be able to identify it, I assure you it is there.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Are you a scientist or mechanic?

By trade? No.By hobby? Yes.

I'm an intelligent person with an understanding of science and the way the universe works.

MSD ignitions are an entirely different thing. They don't make claims to eliminate the need for emissions equipment or make physically impossible improvements in fuel milage. By this type of reasoning, I should clearly just plug up the intake to my car because there are a handful of BS intake mods on the market.

Finally "Plasma" "(wonderful nebulous rarely-understood word for marketing people to throw about that has nothing to do with anything happening inside your internal combustion engine)", as you put it, is actually a state of MATTER, (you know solid, liquid, gas, plasma), your physics professor friend must have left this out. I think you would most easily observe this phenomenon in lightning here on earth, and even though you might not be able to identify it, I assure you it is there.

I know what plasma is. My "wonderful, nebulous" comment referred to the way the firestorm marketing people were misusing it, and to the way the average consumer would be affected by it.

Before you condescend to me, you should make sure I'm really as stupid as you take me for.

And don't lecture me on the scientific method.I don't need the scientific method to show me a dog can't fly.

[morgan]

Again.

I apologize and fully accept your thoughts without question if all my questions were answered YES. I'm skeptical as well about products like this, and will be until I can confirm or deny for myself.

Furthermore I certainly don't think your stupid. I ask questions like anyone else who would like to confirm the reliability of a strong argument.

But I guess you did say in the end it was an opinion, and therefore I apologize for being so critical of it.

Respectfully,Morgan